Low cinebench score

[MegaMasterMike]

Got a ryzen 7 3700x at 4.4 all core max temp of 80c (on a 120 aio have a 360 aio already ordered) at 105w not seeing any thermal throttling the clock is staying at 4.4 while running the benchmark and in cinebench r20 I get about 1950-2000 and that seems low compared to what people get I’ve seen some that get like 2100 stock and when I put my cpu back to stock I get like 1750 am I doing something wrong???

[Coachdude]

56 minutes ago, MegaMasterMike said:

Got a ryzen 7 3700x at 4.4 all core max temp of 80c (on a 120 aio have a 360 aio already ordered) at 105w not seeing any thermal throttling the clock is staying at 4.4 while running the benchmark and in cinebench r20 I get about 1950-2000 and that seems low compared to what people get I’ve seen some that get like 2100 stock and when I put my cpu back to stock I get like 1750 am I doing something wrong???

Those scores seem about right, but for Cinebench R15. Are you sure that isn't the version you're testing? R20 the 3700X should be around 5000 give or take a few hundred points. I'd double check which version you're running as 2000 seems to be about what a Zen 2 8 core scores in R15, more or less equivalent to a 9900K in that same benchmark...

 

If you're actually getting 2000 in R20, it would seem to be you have a CCX disabled, and I would make sure game mode in Ryzen master is turned off, and reset bios settings to default. Make sure you see all cores enabled in task manager.

[MegaMasterMike]

52 minutes ago, Coachdude said:

Those scores seem about right, but for Cinebench R15. Are you sure that isn't the version you're testing? R20 the 3700X should be around 5000 give or take a few hundred points. I'd double check which version you're running as 2000 seems to be about what a Zen 2 8 core scores in R15, more or less equivalent to a 9900K in that same benchmark...

 

If you're actually getting 2000 in R20, it would seem to be you have a CCX disabled, and I would make sure game mode in Ryzen master is turned off, and reset bios settings to default. Make sure you see all cores enabled in task manager.

Yes omg I meant r15 lol in r20 I’m getting like 4775 

[Coachdude]

1 minute ago, MegaMasterMike said:

Yes omg I meant r15 lol in r20 I’m getting like 4775 

Alright, that seemed odd to me so I wanted to make sure. That being said, at 4.4, I would expect a bit higher in both R15 and R20. I would still test things at stock and see what you get. As the scores you posted from what I recall should be around stock levels. It's possible the 4.4GHz overclock isn't entirely stable, and thus is leading to lower scores potentially. Reset back to stock and test, and post back here what scores you get at stock, and go from there. Zen 2 wasn't really all that favorable to manual overclocking from what I remember, I have a 3900X myself and just enabled PBO as a set it and forget option. I would test what 8 cores on this chip does in R15 and R20 for you, but due to the CCX configuration I don't think it would be entirely comparable, as each CCX on this chip has only 3 cores spread across 4 CCXs. As opposed to two 4 core CCXs on your 3700X.

 

So yeah, reset to stock, test. And then maybe try enabling just PBO and see what that gets you. I haven't much experience with manual overclocking so perhaps someone with more experience can guide you further in that area.

[MegaMasterMike]

10 minutes ago, Coachdude said:

Alright, that seemed odd to me so I wanted to make sure. That being said, at 4.4, I would expect a bit higher in both R15 and R20. I would still test things at stock and see what you get. As the scores you posted from what I recall should be around stock levels. It's possible the 4.4GHz overclock isn't entirely stable, and thus is leading to lower scores potentially. Reset back to stock and test, and post back here what scores you get at stock, and go from there. Zen 2 wasn't really all that favorable to manual overclocking from what I remember, I have a 3900X myself and just enabled PBO as a set it and forget option. I would test what 8 cores on this chip does in R15 and R20 for you, but due to the CCX configuration I don't think it would be entirely comparable, as each CCX on this chip has only 3 cores spread across 4 CCXs. As opposed to two 4 core CCXs on your 3700X.

 

So yeah, reset to stock, test. And then maybe try enabling just PBO and see what that gets you. I haven't much experience with manual overclocking so perhaps someone with more experience can guide you further in that area.

Let me do some testing on some different things and report back

[MegaMasterMike]

46 minutes ago, Coachdude said:

Those scores seem about right, but for Cinebench R15. Are you sure that isn't the version you're testing? R20 the 3700X should be around 5000 give or take a few hundred points. I'd double check which version you're running as 2000 seems to be about what a Zen 2 8 core scores in R15, more or less equivalent to a 9900K in that same benchmark...

 

If you're actually getting 2000 in R20, it would seem to be you have a CCX disabled, and I would make sure game mode in Ryzen master is turned off, and reset bios settings to default. Make sure you see all cores enabled in task manager.

Here are the results 

 

1.3v @ 4.3ghz (to insure stability) r15- 1876 r20- 4472

 

all stock with pbo enabled r15- 1786
r20- 4186

 

original 1.275v @ 4.4ghz r15- 1938

r-20 - 4560

 

 

 

[Coachdude]

1 hour ago, MegaMasterMike said:

Here are the results 

 

1.3v @ 4.3ghz (to insure stability) r15- 1876 r20- 4472

 

all stock with pbo enabled r15- 1786
r20- 4186

 

original 1.275v @ 4.4ghz r15- 1938

r-20 - 4560

 

 

 

Those scores definitely look a bit low to me given the clock speeds to be honest. Would you mind listing the rest of your system specifications? Your motherboard and ram especially. It could be something as simple as a bloated Windows install. It could be an out of date bios, using an ancient AGESA version or something along those lines. Have you made sure to enable your RAM's XMP profile in bios? I'm not going to lie to you it's kind of difficult to assess these kinds of things through text, without having a hands on with the system in question I'm kind of just spitballing here.

 

All that being said. Make sure your motherboard's bios is up to date. Make sure you've installed the latest chipset drivers from AMD's website. Check task manager and make sure there isn't anything hogging up the cpu. And make sure your RAM's XMP profile is enabled in bios. Beyond that I really can't think of why it'd be scoring so low. I mean it's not like those scores are bad necessarily, but they do look low to me given the clock speeds you're running at. Again it's difficult to assess these kinds of things through text. But hopefully one of these things points you in the right direction. I know I've had some wonkiness with some of my past systems before as well, and you really just have to go through the motions to try and figure everything out.

[MegaMasterMike]

10 hours ago, Coachdude said:

Those scores definitely look a bit low to me given the clock speeds to be honest. Would you mind listing the rest of your system specifications? Your motherboard and ram especially. It could be something as simple as a bloated Windows install. It could be an out of date bios, using an ancient AGESA version or something along those lines. Have you made sure to enable your RAM's XMP profile in bios? I'm not going to lie to you it's kind of difficult to assess these kinds of things through text, without having a hands on with the system in question I'm kind of just spitballing here.

 

All that being said. Make sure your motherboard's bios is up to date. Make sure you've installed the latest chipset drivers from AMD's website. Check task manager and make sure there isn't anything hogging up the cpu. And make sure your RAM's XMP profile is enabled in bios. Beyond that I really can't think of why it'd be scoring so low. I mean it's not like those scores are bad necessarily, but they do look low to me given the clock speeds you're running at. Again it's difficult to assess these kinds of things through text. But hopefully one of these things points you in the right direction. I know I've had some wonkiness with some of my past systems before as well, and you really just have to go through the motions to try and figure everything out.

It’s a Asus tuf gaming x570 plus WiFi and 32gb ddr4 3200 Corsair vengeance and yes all drivers are installed and xmp is enabled last night I just did a fresh install of windows and when I get home from work I’m going to install all the drivers and test again 

[MegaMasterMike]

17 hours ago, Coachdude said:

Those scores definitely look a bit low to me given the clock speeds to be honest. Would you mind listing the rest of your system specifications? Your motherboard and ram especially. It could be something as simple as a bloated Windows install. It could be an out of date bios, using an ancient AGESA version or something along those lines. Have you made sure to enable your RAM's XMP profile in bios? I'm not going to lie to you it's kind of difficult to assess these kinds of things through text, without having a hands on with the system in question I'm kind of just spitballing here.

 

All that being said. Make sure your motherboard's bios is up to date. Make sure you've installed the latest chipset drivers from AMD's website. Check task manager and make sure there isn't anything hogging up the cpu. And make sure your RAM's XMP profile is enabled in bios. Beyond that I really can't think of why it'd be scoring so low. I mean it's not like those scores are bad necessarily, but they do look low to me given the clock speeds you're running at. Again it's difficult to assess these kinds of things through text. But hopefully one of these things points you in the right direction. I know I've had some wonkiness with some of my past systems before as well, and you really just have to go through the motions to try and figure everything out.

Installed a fresh copy of windows and in r15 my score was 1950 with 1.275v @ 4.4 

 

on all stock bios settings with pbo on and xmp enabled on r15- 1892 

[Coachdude]

1 hour ago, MegaMasterMike said:

Installed a fresh copy of windows and in r15 my score was 1950 with 1.275v @ 4.4 

 

on all stock bios settings with pbo on and xmp enabled on r15- 1892 

I'm wondering if the latest bios agesa has something to do with it now. IIRC Zen 2 was vulnerable to a recent security vulnerability dubbed "Zenbleed", so I wonder if the latest bios potentially has the security fixes applied and is lowering performance. If that's the case there's not much to be done unfortunately. I've a Crosshair 8 Hero with the second to latest AGESA and I've not noticed any degradation in performance so far. So it could be that. I'm not sure what if anything else it could be at this time. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. If I get around to installing the latest bios and thus agesa on my board I'll let you know if I notice any performance drop off.

[MegaMasterMike]

22 hours ago, Coachdude said:

I'm wondering if the latest bios agesa has something to do with it now. IIRC Zen 2 was vulnerable to a recent security vulnerability dubbed "Zenbleed", so I wonder if the latest bios potentially has the security fixes applied and is lowering performance. If that's the case there's not much to be done unfortunately. I've a Crosshair 8 Hero with the second to latest AGESA and I've not noticed any degradation in performance so far. So it could be that. I'm not sure what if anything else it could be at this time. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. If I get around to installing the latest bios and thus agesa on my board I'll let you know if I notice any performance drop off.

Is it possible to go back to an older bios ? 

[Beerzerker]

On 11/30/2023 at 9:29 AM, MegaMasterMike said:

It’s a Asus tuf gaming x570 plus WiFi and 32gb ddr4 3200 Corsair vengeance and yes all drivers are installed and xmp is enabled last night I just did a fresh install of windows and when I get home from work I’m going to install all the drivers and test again 

That could be part of it - Ryzen and Corsair Vengeance RAM don't particularly get along well with each other and it's a well known "Thing" between the two.

Also, disabling background processes you don't need running while doing the bench will help to improve your results - That makes the machine more efficient in what it has to do.
This can be done temporarily either with MS.exe and selecting "Diagnostic" startup or selectively disabling what you want disabled OR some of it can also be done through taskmanager.
However you want to go at it but the OS version you are using will determine what can be done, what to use and the best way to do it.

Another thing that could affect it is if you have a weak core "Dragging" during the run even if it's not showing excessive temp readings and all it takes is one core dragging to affect the result you get.

[MegaMasterMike]

1 hour ago, Beerzerker said:

That could be part of it - Ryzen and Corsair Vengeance RAM don't particularly get along well with each other and it's a well known "Thing" between the two.

Also, disabling background processes you don't need running while doing the bench will help to improve your results - That makes the machine more efficient in what it has to do.
This can be done temporarily either with MS.exe and selecting "Diagnostic" startup or selectively disabling what you want disabled OR some of it can also be done through taskmanager.
However you want to go at it but the OS version you are using will determine what can be done, what to use and the best way to do it.

Another thing that could affect it is if you have a weak core "Dragging" during the run even if it's not showing excessive temp readings and all it takes is one core dragging to affect the result you get.

Didn’t know that about the ram. I tried a 16gb  kit of ballistic sport 3000 I had laying around and it didn’t seem to increase scores any. I’m assuming if I have a “dragging” core there isn’t much I’m doing about it? I’m running windows 10 also 

[Beerzerker]

2 hours ago, MegaMasterMike said:

Didn’t know that about the ram. I tried a 16gb  kit of ballistic sport 3000 I had laying around and it didn’t seem to increase scores any. I’m assuming if I have a “dragging” core there isn’t much I’m doing about it? I’m running windows 10 also 

With Cinebench, if it has one slowing things down there are two things you can do to help it.
One thing that happens is if you're not using enough CPU voltage for the chip to get all cores working properly under load, Cinebench will stress a chip and that does take the right voltage to do. Normally if it's completing the runs but you see one that's dragging, a small bump in CPU voltage helps - Do note I stress "Normally" here, that's not always the case.

The other is if you have a core that's not liking higher temps, instead it's slowing down because (For that particular core) temps are just too high but the rest seem to tolerate it fine.
In either case while the bench is running you can see signs of it and those are noting one "Block" in the bench is taking a long time vs the others to complete the rendering it's doing. Once that block is done the very next one that appears also renders slowly vs the others and you see this being consistent as the bench runs. I know depending exactly what's in the block hat affects redering time of a block so you will see some differences in rendering, it's when you see it happening as described with consistency that's how you know.

Another bench you can try that will reveal a weak(er) core is WPrime and do the longer 1024M run, watch the iterations and if you have a dragging core there, you probrably do in Cinebench too.
You can download Benchmate BenchMate  and checkout the benchmarks in it, WPrime is one of them along with some versions of Cinebench.