Need Suggestion for PC upgrade and a few question

[ChusanaR.]

Budget (including currency): 10,000 - 12,000 THB

Country: Thailand

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Use for gaming and Working (Mostly MS Word, Excel and Acrobat)

Other details

 

My Current Parts:

R5 3600X

Asus B450 F Gaming

32GB 2666MHz

RTX 2060S

x1 Samsung 75Hz Monitor

 

My plan to upgrade:

32GB 2666MHz -> 32GB 3200MHz (or 3600MHz)

New 144Hz Monitor (23.8 Inch bc My desk very limited space)

 

I want to ask if this is a good plan or if I can add or reduce something for better performance.

My concern is

1. if the motherboard will be able to handle 3600MHz ram BC ambient temp in Thailand is quite high (aprox 30 - 35C)

2. Will 2060S be able to handle 2 Screens?

 

*I attach all the possible parts for my PC upgrade

[Agall]

11 minutes ago, ChusanaR. said:

Budget (including currency): 10,000 - 12,000 THB

Country: Thailand

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Use for gaming and Working (Mostly MS Word, Excel and Acrobat)

Other details

 

My Current Parts:

R5 3600X

Asus B450 F Gaming

32GB 2666MHz

RTX 2060S

x1 Samsung 75Hz Monitor

 

My plan to upgrade:

32GB 2666MHz -> 32GB 3200MHz (or 3600MHz)

New 144Hz Monitor (23.8 Inch bc My desk very limited space)

 

I want to ask if this is a good plan or if I can add or reduce something for better performance.

My concern is

1. if the motherboard will be able to handle 3600MHz ram BC ambient temp in Thailand is quite high (aprox 30 - 35C)

2. Will 2060S be able to handle 2 Screens?

 

*I attach all the possible parts for my PC upgrade

You're more limited by the CPU's capability of running higher speed RAM than the motherboard, since the memory controllers are apart of the CPU.

 

I'd suggest looking at an R5 5600 or saving the money on the RAM to get a 5800x3D than going from a 32GB 2666 to 3600. I don't think the performance increase is worth the cost compared to other options.

 

MSI's Optix brand has a good track record for value, you'd be paying more for VA vs IPS, which in my opinion is subjective on which you'd prefer. An IPS panel in the budget category would likely yield better results, but whether that's worth the ~10% more cost is up to you.

 

 

RTX 2060S or any discrete GPU can handle more than one monitor as a simple secondary display perfectly fine. Simply driving a second monitor for your browser or whatever you'd have up on it while gaming isn't challenging for any dGPU. If you were thinking of using surround and running more than one to drive the game, then yes, it doubles the pixels your GPU is rendering for that game, but no one does that anymore since super ultrawides are just better.

[ChusanaR.]

3 minutes ago, Agall said:

You're more limited by the CPU's capability of running higher speed RAM than the motherboard, since the memory controllers are apart of the CPU.

 

I'd suggest looking at an R5 5600 or saving the money on the RAM to get a 5800x3D than going from a 32GB 2666 to 3600. I don't think the performance increase is worth the cost compared to other options.

 

MSI's Optix brand has a good track record for value, you'd be paying more for VA vs IPS, which in my opinion is subjective on which you'd prefer. An IPS panel in the budget category would likely yield better results, but whether that's worth the ~10% more cost is up to you.

 

 

RTX 2060S or any discrete GPU can handle more than one monitor as a simple secondary display perfectly fine. Simply driving a second monitor for your browser or whatever you'd have up on it while gaming isn't challenging for any dGPU. If you were thinking of using surround and running more than one to drive the game, then yes, it doubles the pixels your GPU is rendering for that game, but no one does that anymore since super ultrawides are just better.

So I should save up my Ram budget for future better CPU&RAM correct?

[Agall]

11 minutes ago, ChusanaR. said:

So I should save up my Ram budget for future better CPU&RAM correct?

Better CPU > better RAM, but yes. If you had to choose though, upgrading to an R5 5600 or 5800x3D would be better. The only limitation you may run into is simply with a B450 motherboard, since it doesn't support PCIe 4.0. If you were to replace your RTX 2060S at some point with an equivalent tier newer GPU, those newer GPUs only have 8x lanes, which can be a limitation if they're not running the full PCIe 4.0 bandwidth they're designed for (although its not that much, maybe 10% performance loss).

 

If you are willing to skip on the RAM and save for a better upgrade, I'd recommend either the 5800x3D specifically or buying a new CPU+motherboard instead when you've saved enough. Otherwise, I'd skip on investing any more money than that into AM4 at this point. You'll see considerably better performance relative to cost in a 5800x3D upgrade, even with a 2666MHz kit, than an R5 3600 with even the best RAM it can support.

[ChusanaR.]

4 minutes ago, Agall said:

Better CPU > better RAM, but yes. If you had to choose though, upgrading to an R5 5600 or 5800x3D would be better. The only limitation you may run into is simply with a B450 motherboard, since it doesn't support PCIe 4.0. If you were to replace your RTX 2060S at some point with an equivalent tier newer GPU, those newer GPUs only have 8x lanes, which can be a limitation if they're not running the full PCIe 4.0 bandwidth they're designed for (although its not that much, maybe 10% performance loss).

 

If you are willing to skip on the RAM and save for a better upgrade, I'd recommend either the 5800x3D specifically or buying a new CPU+motherboard instead when you've saved enough. Otherwise, I'd skip on investing any more money than that into AM4 at this point. You'll see considerably better performance relative to cost in a 5800x3D upgrade, even with a 2666MHz kit, than an R5 3600 with even the best RAM it can support.

Thank you, I think I better save up for a better board and CPU then. bc better Board and CPU at this moment are gonna exceed my limited budget. from what I see over here the 5800X3D is about 12000THB (and I have to get a cooler too). Thank you for the idea

[Agall]

Just now, ChusanaR. said:

Thank you, I think I better save up for a better board and CPU then. bc better Board and CPU at this moment are gonna exceed my limited budget. from what I see over here the 5800X3D is about 12000THB (and I have to get a cooler too). Thank you for the idea

Regional pricing can be a b*tch when considering upgrades, 12000TBH being about $350 USD which is close to the current $331 USD pricing. 

 

5800x3D trades blows with Ryzen 7000 non 3D and Intel's 13th generation, however you'd need to spend A LOT more to get comparable performance since it would require a new motherboard and potentially RAM. The closest thing on Intel's side to match pricing would be a 12600kf and budget DDR4 LGA 1700 motherboard, which gets beat by the 5800x3D by a sizeable margin. Ryzen 7000 would require new RAM, which immediately puts it past $450 USD.

 

Just to over-explain the scenario of why the 5800x3D holds its ground in your scenario. Just keep in mind with a future GPU upgrade that you'd want a full 16x card, so NOT cards like the RTX 4060, RTX 4060ti, RX 6600, RX 7600 which are all PCIe 4.0 8x for some reason.

[ImWilly]

31 minutes ago, ChusanaR. said:

1. if the motherboard will be able to handle 3600MHz ram BC ambient temp in Thailand is quite high (aprox 30 - 35C)

Yes, yes it does capable. By default, CPU for DDR4 is capable up to 3200Mhz, even if you purchase the highest Zen4 AMD CPU (e.q. 5950X)

So it's up to Mobo to overclock XMP/EXPO to higher speed

And the good news, your ASUS B450-F mobo is capable of running 3600MHz and even higher if the RAM is capable to do more.

But for Ryzen CPU, going higher than 3600MHz is point of diminishing return, so better to save your budget on other components

47 minutes ago, ChusanaR. said:

32GB 2666MHz -> 32GB 3200MHz (or 3600MHz

Upgrade the RAM would definitely increase your gaming performance, but it wouldn't be game changing. Probably 5-8% at the very best scenario.

 

Since DDR4 RAM is 'discontinued' for current gen of CPU, it means that it will get cheaper as time goes on

So it's a good time to upgrade to 3200 or even 3600MHz, but try to always check the prices on Thai market place, because the price drop isn't always in line for each country

 

36 minutes ago, ChusanaR. said:

2. Will 2060S be able to handle 2 Screens?

Yes, RTX 2060S is capable of running 2 monitor simultaneously

You can even run 3 monitors if you want

 

In addition, in the long run you may also consider to upgrade your 3600X CPU to 5800X3D for gaming focus (since this is the "last"-ish and best CPU for Zen4 platform)

But try to wait till next year or two until the price really drops hard, since it is still a popular CPU in the market

 

So the main focus for your upgrade should be monitor first, any of these brand you suggested would do fine and a jump from 75Hz to 144Hz is incredible, unless you're a content creator that wants super detailed and accurate colour

[ChusanaR.]

23 minutes ago, ImWilly said:

Yes, yes it does capable. By default, CPU for DDR4 is capable up to 3200Mhz, even if you purchase the highest Zen4 AMD CPU (e.q. 5950X)

So it's up to Mobo to overclock XMP/EXPO to higher speed

And the good news, your ASUS B450-F mobo is capable of running 3600MHz and even higher if the RAM is capable to do more.

But for Ryzen CPU, going higher than 3600MHz is point of diminishing return, so better to save your budget on other components

Upgrade the RAM would definitely increase your gaming performance, but it wouldn't be game changing. Probably 5-8% at the very best scenario.

 

Since DDR4 RAM is 'discontinued' for current gen of CPU, it means that it will get cheaper as time goes on

So it's a good time to upgrade to 3200 or even 3600MHz, but try to always check the prices on Thai market place, because the price drop isn't always in line for each country

 

Yes, RTX 2060S is capable of running 2 monitor simultaneously

You can even run 3 monitors if you want

 

In addition, in the long run you may also consider to upgrade your 3600X CPU to 5800X3D for gaming focus (since this is the "last"-ish and best CPU for Zen4 platform)

But try to wait till next year or two until the price really drops hard, since it is still a popular CPU in the market

 

So the main focus for your upgrade should be monitor first, any of these brand you suggested would do fine and a jump from 75Hz to 144Hz is incredible, unless you're a content creator that wants super detailed and accurate colour

love it! thank you

[ChusanaR.]

25 minutes ago, Agall said:

Regional pricing can be a b*tch when considering upgrades, 12000TBH being about $350 USD which is close to the current $331 USD pricing. 

 

5800x3D trades blows with Ryzen 7000 non 3D and Intel's 13th generation, however you'd need to spend A LOT more to get comparable performance since it would require a new motherboard and potentially RAM. The closest thing on Intel's side to match pricing would be a 12600kf and budget DDR4 LGA 1700 motherboard, which gets beat by the 5800x3D by a sizeable margin. Ryzen 7000 would require new RAM, which immediately puts it past $450 USD.

 

Just to over-explain the scenario of why the 5800x3D holds its ground in your scenario. Just keep in mind with a future GPU upgrade that you'd want a full 16x card, so NOT cards like the RTX 4060, RTX 4060ti, RX 6600, RX 7600 which are all PCIe 4.0 8x for some reason.

I will be caution when I upgrade the GPU then. xD