Building my first ever PC
47 minutes ago, 3KidsInATrenchcoat said:Hi, for starters I would like to say thank you about the effort u seem to have put into this. I appreciate it.
I guess I have a few questions though.
Nr1, I am aware of the issues with the 7800x3d but I thought they were resolved with the latest bioses and mostly related to memory overclocking. I was planning to simply hold off on that seeing how ddr 5 is already so much faster than 4. But obviously I would be happy about anything else you know. I really want to get a current gen system so that upgrading will be easier without replacing the mobo, but I also dont want melty parts. I am just avoiding asus because of their issues with measuring the applied voltages, that is an absolute no go to me.
Nr 2, I use headphones so im not to worried about speakers but I was hoping you would know more about monitor types and so on. My knowledge in that area is very bad. What sort of features should I look out for / avoid.
Nr 3, you use multiple different ssds in all of your builds, but they seem identical to me at first glance. Could you explain why.
Nr 4, can you tell me more about the AMD gpus, I honestly didnt go for them because I dont know much about them. I have a background in ML computing and when it comes to that nvidia is top dog.
Nr 5, most important question last. Cooling is the most intimidating for me because im not quite sure how much I need, does the quality of my case fans matter a lot or do I just buy a high tier cpu cooler and some cheap case fans.
Thanks again for the help. Its very cool that forums like this exist.
Nr1, I am aware of the issues with the 7800x3d but I thought they were resolved with the latest bioses and mostly related to memory overclocking. I was planning to simply hold off on that seeing how ddr 5 is already so much faster than 4. But obviously I would be happy about anything else you know. I really want to get a current gen system so that upgrading will be easier without replacing the mobo, but I also dont want melty parts. I am just avoiding asus because of their issues with measuring the applied voltages, that is an absolute no go to me.
Well... Unfortunately the problem with AM5 is not limited to ASUS. It is across the board so to speak. I just saw a video on YouTube from a highly reputable Tech Tuber that these manufacturers all lie to us and these new BIOS Updates don't really so anything to fix the issue. If AM5 is something you must have then I would say to hold off another 1-3 months max so that it can be really fixed.
On the other hand if you want current Gen then Intel might be the way to go. Now I know that the LGA1700 Socket is dead and won't be continuing for 14th Gen but do you really need a CPU upgrade if the Board supports DDR5, PCIe 5? If the CPU is powerful enough then why bother upgrading it if you don't need to. The idea that a newer GPU would come along and not work with the 13th Gen Intel CPUs is just plain wrong. If you need a PC now then I would go with an i7 if you are just gaming and it's loads more stable right now than AM5. At the end of this list I'll give a link to an Intel Build.
Nr 2, I use headphones so im not to worried about speakers but I was hoping you would know more about monitor types and so on. My knowledge in that area is very bad. What sort of features should I look out for / avoid.
OK, Speakers not needed but wouldn't it be nice to just sit back and watch a movie or video without the headset on? IPS type Monitors are the 2nd best you can get in my opinion only being second to OLED but not many can afford and OLED Monitor so IPS is the best option to go for. The Monitor you had picked was a 3440 x 1440. Any reason why that resolution? Are you trying to go for 2K or 4K Gaming? If it's 2K or 1440p then a 2560 x 1440 is all you need. If you want 4K then this is what you get 3840 x 2160, I'm not sure why that other option is there, I have never seen one on real life before.
Nr 3, you use multiple different ssds in all of your builds, but they seem identical to me at first glance. Could you explain why.
When I build a PC I almost always use a smaller 500GB drive just for the OS and other software and programs you might use and the larger drives are used for a Game Library and larger file storage. They are always the same brand and I like to use M.3 drives with DRAM Cache to load things much quicker and it kind of closes the gap between these drives and Higher-End ones that don't have DRAM. For these builds I have chosen Crucial, one of the best rated producers of Storage and RAM.
Nr 4, can you tell me more about the AMD gpus, I honestly didnt go for them because I dont know much about them. I have a background in ML computing and when it comes to that nvidia is top dog.
AMD has recently released a feature called "SAM" Smart Access Memory. It is for AMD GPUs on the 6000 & 7000 Series Cards. It is a feature you can turn on in the AMD Software to enhance performance on the GPU. It can just about match NVIDIA performance with this feature. NVIDIA is great but AMD is cheaper and now almost neck and neck with NVIDIA for Gaming standards.
Nr 5, most important question last. Cooling is the most intimidating for me because im not quite sure how much I need, does the quality of my case fans matter a lot or do I just buy a high tier cpu cooler and some cheap case fans.
If you have a Ryzen 5, 7, or 9 or an Intel Core i5, i7, or i9 if you are Air Cooling then you want something with at least 6 Heatpipes. If you are using anything below like a Ryzen 3 or Core i3 then the Stock Cooler is just fine. If you are Water Cooling then for Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7 & Core i5, Core i7 then usually a 240mm-280mm AIO is just fine no matter the brand but when you go to Ryzen 9 or Core i9 then you want a 360mm-420mm AIO. If you are using an AIO you have to make sure that the PC Case you are using can support it and every Case is different and fit different sizes. Just be careful when going with an AIO to make sure it will fit in the case that you choose. The same can be said for Air Coolers too, for Air Coolers make sure that the height of it won't touch or exceed the side panel of the Case.
CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€344.65 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€75.86 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€268.16 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (€156.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€54.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€133.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card (€674.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (€146.56 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€159.71 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ1A 27.0" 2560 x 1440 170 Hz Monitor (€478.78 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €2493.46
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