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There is not much in this system I would really recommend. 

  1. The Crosshair X670E Hero is an extremely situational motherboard. The only time it makes sense to get is if you plan on running 2 GPUs that need x8 worth of bandwidth and the card you want to put in the top slot is over 3+ slots. For every other time, it doesn't make sense. If you want an overclocking board, the X670E Gene is just better and the same price. If you need dual x8, the X670E Carbon is basically the same motherboard but with only 3 slot spacing between the x8 slots instead of 4 slots and it's $200 less. If you just want a POST code, the B650E-E Strix is half the price, has a POST code, and has a very similar VRM. If you are just doing a gaming system and not doing any sort of overclocking, boards like the B650 Live Mixer and B650 Aorus Elite AX are 1/3 the price and will perform identically. If you're not one of the dozen of people that need 2 expansion cards that are very thick (dual 4090s for machine learning, for instance) then it can make sense, but otherwise it's priced pretty dumb and not a good option. Plus ASUS's AM5 boards have been a bit of a mess anyway, so going for it just because you've heard "ASUS is good, therefore I want the high end ASUS board" is not true. 
  2. The memory setup is not good. First things first, only a handful of Ryzen 7000 series CPUs can run DDR5 6400 on single/dual rank memory configs. Most chips can do 6200 with some effort, but 6000 is the fastest that CPUs can reliably do with no effort. Second, you're trying to run a triple rank memory config, which is one of the most cursed memory setups you can get. It should dramatically reduce max memory from DDR5 6000 if it even works at all. Third, for what you say you're doing, you don't need more than 64GB of RAM. Heck, you probably don't even need 32GB of RAM. Get a DDR5 6000 CL32 EXPO kit instead, preferably in a 2x16GB or 2x32GB configuration, not what you're currently doing. 
  3. The SSDs are a little weird, but it can make sense. I'd want a justification for it in order to recommend it, but it's no where near as terrible as the motherboard and CPU. 
  4. If you really want a 40 series card, you should be getting an ATX 3.0 PSU that has the 12+4 pin connector, that way you don't need the unwieldy adapter included with the cards. Plus you don't need a $300 PSU for a system with a 4090 and a 7900X. 
  5. If you're going to be spending this much on a gaming system and trying to spend $650 on a motherboard, you should be getting a 4090. If you aren't getting a 4090, you're doing it wrong, especially since it's only $100 more than the 4080 you were wanting to get. 
  6. The case and fans are a bit weird. I'll give a bit of leeway since this is a somewhat aesthetically minded system, but you can get much better options out there on both. 
  7. Also, this is a little less necessary, but if you're spending this much on a system you should just get a 7950X instead. The 7950X3D might be a good idea as well, It is a better gaming CPU, though it can behave a little weird with software so it's not necessarily a good idea to get. 

As for trying to get a custom loop, it can kinda make sense for the CPU (not much, but a little), though it's relatively pointless for the 4090. So many of the 4090 coolers are incredibly overbuilt that you're not gonna get a performance benefit, with the only reason I can see to do it is getting them to fit in some smaller cases. For the CPU it makes a little more sense, a custom loop is better at pulling heat out of the 7900X than an AIO, though it's not enough to be worth it IMO. If you were going 13th gen though, yes get a custom loop 100%, there it's actually useful. 

 

The system without a cooling system:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ZzbBj

 

The system with a cooling system so you don't need a custom loop:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QcGs9r

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Budget (including currency): $4000 USD

Country: United States

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Call of Duty, Ark Survival, Blender, Cyberpunk, as well as streaming and video editing

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): my part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6Q86r, I already have all my peripherals and plan to run a 4 monitor setup along with my oculus rift S, This system build is intended to replace my existing system which is running a Ryzen 7 5700G, a 2070 super, with 32 gigs of g.skill trident ram running at 3000MHz. I am aware that I am missing cooling components I plan for this to be a Water cooled build with a custom loop, but before I dug into the rabbit hole of finding the cooling hardware I wanted to ask for some basic guidance about the system build as I have built every computer I have ever gamed on but I feel I tend to find that most of my systems have bottlenecks. 

 

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There is not much in this system I would really recommend. 

  1. The Crosshair X670E Hero is an extremely situational motherboard. The only time it makes sense to get is if you plan on running 2 GPUs that need x8 worth of bandwidth and the card you want to put in the top slot is over 3+ slots. For every other time, it doesn't make sense. If you want an overclocking board, the X670E Gene is just better and the same price. If you need dual x8, the X670E Carbon is basically the same motherboard but with only 3 slot spacing between the x8 slots instead of 4 slots and it's $200 less. If you just want a POST code, the B650E-E Strix is half the price, has a POST code, and has a very similar VRM. If you are just doing a gaming system and not doing any sort of overclocking, boards like the B650 Live Mixer and B650 Aorus Elite AX are 1/3 the price and will perform identically. If you're not one of the dozen of people that need 2 expansion cards that are very thick (dual 4090s for machine learning, for instance) then it can make sense, but otherwise it's priced pretty dumb and not a good option. Plus ASUS's AM5 boards have been a bit of a mess anyway, so going for it just because you've heard "ASUS is good, therefore I want the high end ASUS board" is not true. 
  2. The memory setup is not good. First things first, only a handful of Ryzen 7000 series CPUs can run DDR5 6400 on single/dual rank memory configs. Most chips can do 6200 with some effort, but 6000 is the fastest that CPUs can reliably do with no effort. Second, you're trying to run a triple rank memory config, which is one of the most cursed memory setups you can get. It should dramatically reduce max memory from DDR5 6000 if it even works at all. Third, for what you say you're doing, you don't need more than 64GB of RAM. Heck, you probably don't even need 32GB of RAM. Get a DDR5 6000 CL32 EXPO kit instead, preferably in a 2x16GB or 2x32GB configuration, not what you're currently doing. 
  3. The SSDs are a little weird, but it can make sense. I'd want a justification for it in order to recommend it, but it's no where near as terrible as the motherboard and CPU. 
  4. If you really want a 40 series card, you should be getting an ATX 3.0 PSU that has the 12+4 pin connector, that way you don't need the unwieldy adapter included with the cards. Plus you don't need a $300 PSU for a system with a 4090 and a 7900X. 
  5. If you're going to be spending this much on a gaming system and trying to spend $650 on a motherboard, you should be getting a 4090. If you aren't getting a 4090, you're doing it wrong, especially since it's only $100 more than the 4080 you were wanting to get. 
  6. The case and fans are a bit weird. I'll give a bit of leeway since this is a somewhat aesthetically minded system, but you can get much better options out there on both. 
  7. Also, this is a little less necessary, but if you're spending this much on a system you should just get a 7950X instead. The 7950X3D might be a good idea as well, It is a better gaming CPU, though it can behave a little weird with software so it's not necessarily a good idea to get. 

As for trying to get a custom loop, it can kinda make sense for the CPU (not much, but a little), though it's relatively pointless for the 4090. So many of the 4090 coolers are incredibly overbuilt that you're not gonna get a performance benefit, with the only reason I can see to do it is getting them to fit in some smaller cases. For the CPU it makes a little more sense, a custom loop is better at pulling heat out of the 7900X than an AIO, though it's not enough to be worth it IMO. If you were going 13th gen though, yes get a custom loop 100%, there it's actually useful. 

 

The system without a cooling system:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ZzbBj

 

The system with a cooling system so you don't need a custom loop:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QcGs9r

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