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I am building a new PC and for reasons I won't get into, I need this PC built in the next couple of weeks. The plan is to build the PC without a dedicated GPU for now because I want to wait for the 7800XT/7700XT/4060/4060TI down the line sometime hopefully mid this year (Gaming is not essential for me). 

 

The CPU I will be getting is a 13600K with an ID-Cooling IS55 cooler. I know this cooler is not sufficient but I am building a very small mini ITX build and plan to undervolt the CPU to get better temps.

 

My question is, without a dedicated GPU, will I be able to accurately run CPU benchmarks such as Cinebench and CPU-Z to test out my undervolt? Will I need to readjust the undervolt settings when I get a GPU? It's been a while since I did benchmarking as my last build was in 2014.

 

Any tips would be very much appreciated! If you are curious about my build and want more context, feel free to see my other posts recently.

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7 minutes ago, FatimahFatCakes said:

My question is, without a dedicated GPU, will I be able to accurately run CPU benchmarks such as Cinebench and CPU-Z to test out my undervolt? Will I need to readjust the undervolt settings when I get a GPU? It's been a while since I did benchmarking as my last build was in 2014.

yes those won't be affected when you install a gpu. Use a 7600 non x or 13500 for your startup on your pc

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Current parts listPCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (Purchased For £175.00) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (Purchased For £144.99) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (Purchased For £89.99) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Storage: Kingston A400 960 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (Purchased For £448.99) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 205M MESH MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (Purchased For £82.98) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For £99.00) 
Total: £1040.95

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

Damn this space can fit a 5090 (just kidding, it needs more)

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4 minutes ago, Tomberry said:

yes you will be able to as long as the cpu has integraded graphics. however i would go for a 7600 non x if you are worried about temps as it is a very power efficent chip that performs about the same

 

1 minute ago, filpo said:

yes those won't be affected when you install a gpu. Use a 7600 non x or 13500 for your startup on your pc

Awesome thank you that is good to know.

 

The reason why I chose a 13600k is that I plan to move it to a larger case with better cooling early next year, so I want to get a better more powerful CPU and undervolt it to control temps for now, but be able to use it's full power later on. Is this not a good idea?

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1 minute ago, FatimahFatCakes said:

Is this not a good idea?

ye that sounds good. Hope it goes well

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Current parts listPCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (Purchased For £175.00) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (Purchased For £144.99) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (Purchased For £89.99) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Storage: Kingston A400 960 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For £0.00) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (Purchased For £448.99) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 205M MESH MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (Purchased For £82.98) 
Power Supply: MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For £99.00) 
Total: £1040.95

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

Damn this space can fit a 5090 (just kidding, it needs more)

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6 minutes ago, FatimahFatCakes said:

 

Awesome thank you that is good to know.

 

The reason why I chose a 13600k is that I plan to move it to a larger case with better cooling early next year, so I want to get a better more powerful CPU and undervolt it to control temps for now, but be able to use it's full power later on. Is this not a good idea?

i mean its not a bad one but the amd chip performs the same and you dont have to risk the undervolt now working enougn i would go amd

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2 minutes ago, Tomberry said:

i mean its not a bad one but the amd chip performs the same and you dont have to risk the undervolt now working enougn i would go amd

Yeah I get it, thanks for your input.

 

I think in terms of productivity, the 13600k is miles ahead of the 7600 which is important for me as this is a work PC first and gaming machine second.

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58 minutes ago, FatimahFatCakes said:

undervolt it to control temps for now

Intel CPUs also allow infinite control of the turbo power limits. This will allow you to easily adjust CPU performance to match however much cooling you have available. You can set these limits in the BIOS or you can use software like ThrottleStop 9.5.1 to adjust the power limits while in Windows. They can be changed at any time. 

 

I prefer using ThrottleStop compared to using the BIOS because ThrottleStop gives you access to the Clamp options within the power limit control register. This will Clamp power consumption to whatever maximum you choose. The CPU will automatically slow down so it does not exceed 100W or however many watts your cooling can manage. Most BIOS versions that I have seen do not let you select Clamp. 

 

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Intel XTU is another option but I am not sure if it will fully support your unlocked CPU if you are running it on a B760 board. 

  

58 minutes ago, FatimahFatCakes said:

Is this not a good idea?

What you are doing is a great idea! You can drop 20°C off your full load temps by adjusting the voltage of a 13600K. Less voltage transforms these processors. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, unclewebb said:

Intel CPUs also allow infinite control of the turbo power limits. This will allow you to easily adjust CPU performance to match however much cooling you have available. You can set these limits in the BIOS or you can use software like ThrottleStop 9.5.1 to adjust the power limits while in Windows. They can be changed at any time. 

 

I prefer using ThrottleStop compared to using the BIOS because ThrottleStop gives you access to the Clamp options within the power limit control register. This will Clamp power consumption to whatever maximum you choose. The CPU will automatically slow down so it does not exceed 100W or however many watts your cooling can manage. Most BIOS versions that I have seen do not let you select Clamp. 

 

image.png.4be945309cf4193076c2545db0d0bcad.png

 

Intel XTU is another option but I am not sure if it will fully support your unlocked CPU if you are running it on a B760 board. 

  

What you are doing is a great idea! You can drop 20°C off your full load temps by adjusting the voltage of a 13600K. Less voltage transforms these processors. 

 

 

Amazing! Thank you so much the tip. Looking forward to my build.

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3 hours ago, FatimahFatCakes said:

Yeah I get it, thanks for your input.

 

I think in terms of productivity, the 13600k is miles ahead of the 7600 which is important for me as this is a work PC first and gaming machine second.

oh if your using it for productivity then 100% go intel

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