What GPU do I get?

[ElPsyKongroo]

I have a Ryzen 5 5600x and a GTX 1060 6GB. So anything is an upgrade.

 

Do I go for used 3070-3080 (450-600), buy a new 3070/3070ti (550-650) or wait for a 4060 to come out?

4070ti is a bit out of my budget and we all know what happens to that card.

 

Im just considering Nvidia cards, cause I need nvenc and the tensor cores, for blender, resolve,...

 

What do you guys think?

[Dukesilver27-]

Used 3080 is pretty decent value, but get the 12GB one.

Make sure that you have some sort of buyer's protection in case you bought a dying one.

I personally bought a used 6800 XT, so I fully support buying used GPUs.

 

[ElPsyKongroo]

5 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Used 3080 is pretty decent value, but get the 12GB one.

Make sure that you have some sort of buyer's protection in case you bought a dying one.

I personally bought a used 6800 XT, so I fully support buying used GPUs.

 

Till a few hours ago I didn't even knew there where 10GB and 12 GB cards. I can use every gig but is there any other difference?

[Dukesilver27-]

2 minutes ago, NGV said:

Till a few hours ago I didn't even knew there where 10GB and 12 GB cards. I can use every gig but is there any other difference?

The 12GB one is closer to 3080 Ti than it is to 3080 10GB in terms of performance, so yes, a lot more difference than just VRAM size.

[SteveGrabowski0]

Assuming you're interested in gaming performance, are you on 1080p or 1440p? For 1080p the 3060 Ti is pretty nice, roughly 90% of the performance of the 3070 for 80% of the price, at least new. For 1440p I wouldn't go lower than the 3080 12GB, as 8GB doesn't inspire much confidence in the card aging very well at that res.

[ElPsyKongroo]

1 minute ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Assuming you're interested in gaming performance, are you on 1080p or 1440p? For 1080p the 3060 Ti is pretty nice, roughly 90% of the performance of the 3070 for 80% of the price, at least new. For 1440p I wouldn't go lower than the 3080 12GB, as 8GB doesn't inspire much confidence in the card aging very well at that res.

Yes I'm going for 1440p gaming and some content creation with blender and resolve. 

 

The 60 cards served me well in the past but right now I don't see the value, especially if I go used. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

3 minutes ago, NGV said:

Till a few hours ago I didn't even knew there where 10GB and 12 GB cards. I can use every gig but is there any other difference?

The 3080 12GB has 8960 CUDA cores vs the 8704 on the 3080 10GB. So about 3% more cores. That 12GB card will likely age better though for gaming if you're on 1440p or higher. AFAIK the only game where the 10 GB really hinders the 3080 10GB is Hogwarts Legacy, but there are already a decent number of games where 8GB VRAM hold back the 3070/3070Ti so it's only a matter of time.

[ElPsyKongroo]

7 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

The 12GB one is closer to 3080 Ti than it is to 3080 10GB in terms of performance, so yes, a lot more difference than just VRAM size.

Good to know, ty i would have gone for a 10GB ....

[ElPsyKongroo]

2 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

The 3080 12GB has 8960 CUDA cores vs the 8704 on the 3080 10GB. So about 3% more cores. That 12GB card will likely age better though for gaming if you're on 1440p or higher. AFAIK the only game where the 10 GB really hinders the 3080 10GB is Hogwarts Legacy, but there are already a decent number of games where 8GB VRAM hold back the 3070/3070Ti so it's only a matter of time.

I just looked up done used prices, are 3% worth 100-150? I can get a 10GB for 500 to 550 and 12Gb are all over the place starting at 650 and going to 900...

[SteveGrabowski0]

2 minutes ago, NGV said:

Yes I'm going for 1440p gaming and some content creation with blender and resolve. 

 

The 60 cards served me well in the past but right now I don't see the value, especially if I go used. 

3000 series felt like a big troll job from Nvidia with the 3060 Ti, 3070, and 3070 Ti given only 8GB and the 3060 a pretty weak card but given 12GB (well, until they trolled us again with the 3060 8GB). It's insane seeing how many times the weak 3060 will actually beat the 3070 and 3070 Ti in games at 4k and occasionally even 1440p because performance tanks once that 8GB runs out. The performance was nice for 3060 Ti and up but the planned obsolescence via low amount of VRAM sent me to AMD this gen.

[ElPsyKongroo]

2 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

3000 series felt like a big troll job from Nvidia with the 3060 Ti, 3070, and 3070 Ti given only 8GB and the 3060 a pretty weak card but given 12GB (well, until they trolled us again with the 3060 8GB). It's insane seeing how many times the weak 3060 will actually beat the 3070 and 3070 Ti in games at 4k and occasionally even 1440p because performance tanks once that 8GB runs out. The performance was nice for 3060 Ti and up but the planned obsolescence via low amount of VRAM sent me to AMD this gen.

The amount of VRAM on and cards are nice. And if I would only do gaming I would be down to give them a try. But te lack of performance in blender and other content creation applications keeping me away.

[SteveGrabowski0]

1 minute ago, NGV said:

I just looked up done used prices, are 3% worth 100-150? I can get a 10GB for 500 to 550 and 12Gb are all over the place starting at 650 and going to 900...

The 3% extra CUDA cores alone aren't. Probably not the 2GB extra VRAM either. So on specs I'd say no, not worth the extra $100 to $150. But another thing to consider is the 3080 12GB didn't launch until late February 2022 once gpu mining was tanking hard so a 3080 12GB will have way less hours mining on average than a 3080 10GB, considering those launched in late 2020 right as ethereum mining started taking off again.

[ElPsyKongroo]

1 minute ago, TechlessBro said:

100% wait and get 40 series, those newer cores and drive updates will work better long term in blender etc.

 

nvenc AV1 support is in older cards and streaming you are limited to max bps rate anyway.

If you want to game and stream then maybe get old Nvidia card as well and have that encode while you game on the other. Even 3090 can have issues streaming and encoding in some games.

Are there any release dates for 4060/4070? I can't find any. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

2 minutes ago, NGV said:

The amount of VRAM on and cards are nice. And if I would only do gaming I would be down to give them a try. But te lack of performance in blender and other content creation applications keeping me away.

Yeah fully understand. All I cared about was gaming and price to performance.

[ElPsyKongroo]

2 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

The 3% extra CUDA cores alone aren't. Probably not the 2GB extra VRAM either. So on specs I'd say no, not worth the extra $100 to $150. But another thing to consider is the 3080 12GB didn't launch until late February 2022 once gpu mining was tanking hard so a 3080 12GB will have way less hours mining on average than a 3080 10GB, considering those launched in late 2020 right as ethereum mining started taking off again.

That's actually a good point. I just looked locally so I can get a look at the card beforehand and do some tests. But people could have run nice hash on their PCs. So all GPUs could have mined. Even if it's not out of a farm.

[SteveGrabowski0]

Just now, NGV said:

Are there any release dates for 4060/4070? I can't find any. 

Seems like the rumors are pointing towards April for the 4070. I'd expect a pretty big price bump with minimal gains or even regressions in price to performance based on what we have seen from the 4070 Ti and 4080.

[Dukesilver27-]

5 minutes ago, NGV said:

That's actually a good point. I just looked locally so I can get a look at the card beforehand and do some tests. But people could have run nice hash on their PCs. So all GPUs could have mined. Even if it's not out of a farm.

Mining isn't worse than gaming. Thermal expansions that happen during gaming are worse for the GPU components, and also the average miner would take care of their GPUs better than the average gamer.

I bought a mining GPU and I have no regrets.

Look up LTT's latest video about mining GPUs, they either perform the same as rarely used ones or just straight up dying.

 

And do make sure that you check the model of the GPUs and the seller's reputation. It's all about price.

[SteveGrabowski0]

Just now, NGV said:

That's actually a good point. I just looked locally so I can get a look at the card beforehand and do some tests. But people could have run nice hash on their PCs. So all GPUs could have mined. Even if it's not out of a farm.

Yeah but they'd be crazy to have been mining the last 8-9 months when it's unprofitable. Electricity prices have skyrocketed since last spring. I think it's a reasonable expectation that any 3080 12GB you might buy probably didn't mine very long or maybe even not at all given ether prices tanked from April 1st, 2022 and beyond.

[ElPsyKongroo]

3 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Seems like the rumors are pointing towards April for the 4070. I'd expect a pretty big price bump with minimal gains or even regressions in price to performance based on what we have seen from the 4070 Ti and 4080.

If I would guess at least 750 or so for a 4070. If I go 4000 than it would be a 4060 again. But God knows what the price will be on that one.

[SteveGrabowski0]

4 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Mining isn't worse than gaming. Thermal expansions that happen during gaming are worse for the GPU components, and also the average miner would take care of their GPUs better than the average gamer.

I bought a mining GPU and I have no regrets.

Look up LTT's latest video about mining GPUs, they either perform the same as rarely used ones or just straight up dying.

 

And do make sure that you check the model of the GPUs and the seller's reputation. It's all about price.

Mining is usually 24/7/365 while gaming might be for 2-3 hours a day though. And lots of miners treat their cards like shit too, eg all those used RX 6000 series cards that were dying likely from miners pressure washing them to make them look immaculate before selling them off. Maybe you're getting your card from a hobbyist who knew how to take care of it, or maybe you're getting it from a farm with so many cards they don't give a shit.

[ElPsyKongroo]

2 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Mining isn't worse than gaming. Thermal expansions that happen during gaming are worse for the GPU components, and also the average miner would take care of their GPUs better than the average gamer.

I bought a mining GPU and I have no regrets.

Look up LTT's latest video about mining GPUs, they either perform the same as rarely used ones or just straight up dying.

 

And do make sure that you check the model of the GPUs and the seller's reputation. It's all about price.

If they are straight up miners I would agree. I live in Germany where mining is more like, run nice hash over night. We had pretty bad electric prices to begin with so there wasn't any big farms. A farm card would be in good condition, but a card from a gaming PC which ran not optimised at 100% don't seem like a good idea.

[SteveGrabowski0]

4 minutes ago, NGV said:

If I would guess at least 750 or so for a 4070. If I go 4000 than it would be a 4060 again. But God knows what the price will be on that one.

The 4060/4060Ti rumors look ugly, like 3070 performance for 3070 price with the 3070's stingy 8GB of VRAM. I'd be pretty floored if they charge $750 for the 4070 though. Probably expecting more like $650.

[ElPsyKongroo]

1 minute ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

The 4060/4060Ti rumors look ugly, like 3070 performance for 3070 price with the 3070's stingy 8GB of VRAM. I'd be pretty floored if they charge $750 for the 4070 though. Probably expecting more like $650.

Sry I was thinking in Euro. The exchange rate might be the same right now but. A 4070ti starts around 900€. In the us it looks more like 800$

[EPU]

If you want to play under 2k conditions, the 3070ti is the best choice, a lot of 3070/3080 have been refurbished due to virtual currency, which makes it impossible to be sure if the 3070 you bought is brand new, and the 4060 experiences poorly due to 128bit, and in theoretical performance tests, The 3070ti timespy scored 14,000 points, while the 4060laptop was released with a score of 10,650. The desktop specs aren't much better than the 4060laptop. Of course, you'll need a good UPS supply if you choose the 3070ti, and the 3070ti has a scary power consumption of 330w due to the gddr6x and the awful Samsung 8nm.And also uesd 3080 will be a bad choice.If you want better stability, please don't choose it, because of the influence of eth, a large amount of 3080 10gb is used as virtual currency, high power gddr6x will be easier to scrap under such conditions, 3080 12gb May be good, but I haven't actually experienced it, so I can't give you advice on it.Hope it will help you

[Dukesilver27-]

2 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

 

 

2 hours ago, NGV said:

 

It's a gamble, that is true, you either get a working GPU or a dying one, but in general, mining GPUs hold up quite well. I mean Linus bought some very old mined GPUs to test, and they went through all the stress tests just fine.

I think there was a RX 500 series, GTX 1000 series in there too, it is proven than mined cards aren't worse than gamed cards. If the GPUs that are that old yet they still function now even after years of 24 hours mining, I think it is a pretty safe bet to go with mined GPUs.

Seriously tho, go check out latest LTT video about used mining GPUs.