Will this build be OK?

[Grandstand Video]

Budget $2000.00

Country: US of A

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Iracing while streaming to twitch. Various Steam games.

Other details dual monitors I have around $300.00 for a GPU but am stuck on which one. The last system I built was about 5 years ago.  

	Title
	Microsoft Windows 11 (USB) Offered by Amazon.com.
	CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML240L RGB V2, Close-Loop AIO CPU Liquid Cooler, Gen3 Dual Chamber Pump, 240mm Radiator, SickleFlow 120 PWM ARGB, AMD Ryzen AM5/AM4, Intel LGA1700/1200 (MLW-D24M-A18PC-R2) Offered by Amazon.com.
	Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD, up to 560MB/s - CT1000MX500SSD1 Offered by Amazon.com.
	Corsair RMX Series, RM850x, 850 Watt, 80+ Gold Certified, Fully Modular Power Supply (Low Noise, Zero RPM Fan Mode, 105°C Capacitors, Fully Modular Cables, Compact Size) Black Offered by Triplenet Pricing INC.
	Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ARGB ATX Mid-Tower with Three 120mm ARGB Fans, Fine Mesh Front Panel, Mesh Side Intakes, Tempered Glass & ARGB Lighting System Offered by Triplenet Pricing INC.
	ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 WiFi AX AM4 AMD X570 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard Offered by Amazon.com.
	Mushkin Redline Lumina – DDR4 RGB Gaming DRAM – 16GB (2x8GB) UDIMM Memory Kit – 3600MHz (PC4-28800) CL-18 – 288-pin 1.35V Desktop RAM – XMP Ready – LED Heatsink – (MLA4C360JNNM8GX2) Offered by Triplenet Pricing INC.
	AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 6-Core 12-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Radeon Graphics Offered by SAGASA LLC.   Still need to select a GPU

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[Queen Chrysalis]

You should spend more on your GPU.  If your total budget is $2000, you can do a lot better.  Check this out:

• Much faster CPU, don't get the 5600g for a PC that is gonna have a dGPU.
• Bigger, faster SSD
• RGB cooler for a little less that will look really good with this case.  If you really want a Cooler master Branded liquid cooler, this one is better and cheaper, and will look awesome: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML280 Mirror Liquid CPU Cooler (MLX-D28M-A14PK-R1) - PCPartPicker The RGB fans on the lquid cooler won't matter because you won't see them with the radiator mounted to the top of the case (this is where you should mount it).  But the pump has a way cooler lighting effect going on.
• Equivalent Power supply for less
• If you are going DDR4, the 3200MHz kits work better with intel CPUs than the 3600MHz kits.  3200MHz CL16 and 3600MHz CL1`8 are pretty much identical in performance anyway.
• A 4070ti will be very fast at any game for a very long time.
• Same case, just a little more compact and cheaper.  Still plenty of airflow.  it doesn;t come with an exhaust fan, but any 120 you have laying around would do perfectly.
• For the 4070ti, i went with the Gigabyte one which was $10 more than the ASUS one so you could manage the lighting and stuff from the same app.  If you wanna save $10, the ASUS TUF Gaming 4070ti is $10 less.  The DDR4 system would also then be about $15 less, as the ASRock Pro RS D4 Wifi is cheaper than the Gigabyte Aorus bboard, but the Gigabyte Aorus board is a better motherboard and has more I/O, so there it's kind of splitting hairs.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($319.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML280 Mirror Liquid CPU Cooler  ($93.19 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M GAMING X AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($163.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Silicon Power XPOWER Zenith RGB Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($72.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($809.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master TD300 Mesh MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Enermax Revolution D.F. 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($114.99 @ Walmart) 
Total: $1775.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-23 11:28 EST-0500

 

If you wanna do a DDR5 system, it's about $100 more:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($319.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML280 Mirror Liquid CPU Cooler  ($93.19 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($171.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($164.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($809.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master TD300 Mesh MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Enermax Revolution D.F. 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($114.99 @ Walmart) 
Total: $1875.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-23 11:29 EST-0500

 

You could also get a 7900xt for about $100 more, and it is a little bit faster.  Either card is of relatively the same value:

XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card (RX-79TMERCB9) - PCPartPicker

 

Do you have a 1440 165Hz gaming monitor?  If not, you may want to look into one, you have the budget for it.  If you don'ts have one, either of these systems could be cheaper and still game identically to fit one in, as that is way more important than most of this stuff:

 

HP X27q 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor (2V7U5AA#ABU) - PCPartPicker

ViewSonic VX2718-2KPC-MHD 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Curved Monitor (VX2718-2KPC-MHD) - PCPartPicker

Monoprice Dark Matter 34.0" 3440 x 1440 165 Hz Curved Monitor (42772) - PCPartPicker

HP X34 34.0" 3440 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor (2V7W4AA#ABA) - PCPartPicker

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, Grandstand Video said:

Budget $2000.00

Country: US of A

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Iracing while streaming to twitch. Various Steam games.

Other details dual monitors I have around $300.00 for a GPU but am stuck on which one. The last system I built was about 5 years ago.  

	Title
	Microsoft Windows 11 (USB) Offered by Amazon.com.
	CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML240L RGB V2, Close-Loop AIO CPU Liquid Cooler, Gen3 Dual Chamber Pump, 240mm Radiator, SickleFlow 120 PWM ARGB, AMD Ryzen AM5/AM4, Intel LGA1700/1200 (MLW-D24M-A18PC-R2) Offered by Amazon.com.
	Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD, up to 560MB/s - CT1000MX500SSD1 Offered by Amazon.com.
	Corsair RMX Series, RM850x, 850 Watt, 80+ Gold Certified, Fully Modular Power Supply (Low Noise, Zero RPM Fan Mode, 105°C Capacitors, Fully Modular Cables, Compact Size) Black Offered by Triplenet Pricing INC.
	Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ARGB ATX Mid-Tower with Three 120mm ARGB Fans, Fine Mesh Front Panel, Mesh Side Intakes, Tempered Glass & ARGB Lighting System Offered by Triplenet Pricing INC.
	ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 WiFi AX AM4 AMD X570 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard Offered by Amazon.com.
	Mushkin Redline Lumina – DDR4 RGB Gaming DRAM – 16GB (2x8GB) UDIMM Memory Kit – 3600MHz (PC4-28800) CL-18 – 288-pin 1.35V Desktop RAM – XMP Ready – LED Heatsink – (MLA4C360JNNM8GX2) Offered by Triplenet Pricing INC.
	AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 6-Core 12-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Radeon Graphics Offered by SAGASA LLC.   Still need to select a GPU

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Build makes no sense sorry

Weak mid range CPU with an iGPU 

Useless watercooling

Useless X570 board

Oversized PSU

SATA SSD

No GPU at the price point you want

 

So rather get this, it's just miles better - esp. the RX6950XT which is at a crazy low price rn :

even then we're under budget for a rig that was the fastest gaming machine 3 months ago (and cost 3000$ 1 year ago...)

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($336.54 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($89.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: ASRock OC Formula Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($699.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($134.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $1856.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-23 12:01 EST-0500

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

So rather get this, it's just miles better - esp. the RX6950XT which is at a crazy low price rn :

even then we're under budget for a rig that was the fastest gaming machine 3 months ago (and cost 3000$ 1 year ago...)

It's not crazy low when you look at the 7900xt being only $180 (~20% more expensive for being about ~50-80% faster) more and being a lot faster for less power used.  

The 4070ti is also only $100 more and is again, a lot faster for less power used.

The 5800X3D is also more expensive than the faster 13600k., and $180 is a lot for a last gen board with no wifi or BT

$110 is also way too much for 32GB of DDR4 RAM

And $90 for an air cooler on a chip like that is agin, just way too much.  The PA120 is more than enough cooling for that chip and is really close to the DRP4 for $36.  I would have included it myself, but it seemed OP had an aesthetic they weregoing fo so I went with an RGB AiO, and frankly the same $90 will probably cool better with a 280 AiO than even a very good big air cooler like that, if not about the same while having a cool RGB effect.

[PDifolco]

3 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

It's not crazy low when you look at the 7900xt being only $180 (~20% more expensive for being about ~50-80% faster) more and being a lot faster for less power used.  

The 4070ti is also only $100 more and is again, a lot faster for less power used.

The 5800X3D is also more expensive than the faster 13600k., and $180 is a lot for a last gen board with no wifi or BT

$110 is also way too much for 32GB of DDR4 RAM

And $90 for an air cooler on a chip like that is agin, just way too much.  The PA120 is more than enough cooling for that chip and is really close to the DRP4 for $36.  I would have included it myself, but it seemed OP had an aesthetic they weregoing fo so I went with an RGB AiO, and frankly the same $90 will probably cool better with a 280 AiO than even a very good big air cooler like that, if not about the same while having a cool RGB effect.

Not quite, 6950XT is $200 cheaper than 7900XT for 90% of the performance ! Agreed it's way less efficient ... But for OP 7900XT will be quite good, was confused by the super scalped 7900 prices we have in Europe

13600K vs 5800X3D is a unending debate, as they're not really comparable, I admit the 13600K is better all around, but then you also need more expensive or feature poor boards

32GB RAM for $110 is an ok price, you can skim what ? 20 bucks ?

And DDR5 is still not very interesting, unless you get super expensive 6500+CL30- kits added performance is small

About coolers I tend to recommend proven good ones, now that AK620 and Scythe Fuma5 are oos in the US it's a bit harder for me

[Queen Chrysalis]

32 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

6950XT is $200 cheaper

879-699=180.  And for the performance (not to mention better RT which isn't even in this video):

32 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

32GB RAM for $110 is an ok price, you can skim what ? 20 bucks ?

Try $40.  The one in thte list I posted is RGB and its 3200 CL16 for $72.  Non- RGB 3200 CL16 is $65.  And it's RAM.  It runs exactly as it's expected to regardless of brand. Vengeance is not samsung B-die.  And why just buy the $40 more expensive one for no reason?

32 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

And DDR5 is still not very interesting, unless you get super expensive 6500+CL30- kits added performance is small

Correct, that's why I made two parts lists, the first one was DDR4 and cost $100 less for the same performance, I just left the option out there.

32 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

 

About coolers I tend to recommend proven good ones, now that AK620 and Scythe Fuma5 are oos in the US it's a bit harder for me

It's an air cooler, what's there to prove?  You can find test videos and data.  It's not hard.  A riffle bearing is a rifle bear, and a FD bearing is an FD bearing, regardless of what the brand on the box is.  The rest is copper and plastic, these are really simple machines, brand should not carry much of any weight when performance data is available, even then good enough is good enough, as a CPU running at 58C vs 60C amounts to pretty much nothing.  I know the custom cooling enthusiast scene isn't taking well to down market products getting better to the point that up-market products are not worth it anymore, and the larger death of custom cooling being a legitimate or interesting thing to do, but it's reality.  It's really hard to not get a Peerless Assassin 120 ($35.90) on any budget, and for really tight budgets the Assassin King ($22.90) or Assassin X ($19.99)are  also really hard to not go with just because anything more expensive is easily trounced by the Peerless Assassin 120 at price point, at least in the US.

32 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

poor boards

 

Both parts lists I posted had good boards, there aren't that many bad boards left on the market, just working products and whale-bait.

[PDifolco]

6 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

879-699=180.  And for the performance:

Try $40.  The one in thte list I posted is RGB and its 3200 CL16 for $72.  Non- RGB 3200 CL16 is $65.  And it's RAM.  It runs exactly as it's expected to regardless of brand. Vengeance is not samsung B-die.  And why just buy the $40 more expensive one for no reason?

Correct, that's why I made two parts lists, the first one was DDR4 and cost $100 less for the same performance, I just left the option out there.

About GPU benchmarks you can get the results you want choosing the right one.. and can point to many others that give way less difference, in some games the 7900XT even actually perform worse!

Also note that I suggested a 6950XT not a 6900XT (that are becoming so rare prices are crap)

So I just use TPU scores to avoid endless arguments https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6950-xt.c3875

Agreed on the RAM tho, my choice wasn't that good, and price fell so much I felt $100 to be good  

[Queen Chrysalis]

8 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

So I just use TPU scores to avoid endless arguments https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6950-xt.c3875

Ok now I'm intrigued.  What is this methodology?  I was assuming the best way to get a feel for a GPU would be how it played a game, and the benchmarkers usually do pretty good comparisons of the most popular/demanding games to give you an idea of exactly what the end product of the system would be, how fast the game runs at given settings and resolution.  Also, I edited that last post a little to clarify.

[PDifolco]

5 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Ok now I'm intrigued.  What is this methodology?  I was assuming the best way to get a feel for a GPU would be how it played a game, and the benchmarkers usually do pretty good comparisons of the most popular/demanding games to give you an idea of exactly what the end product of the system would be, how fast the game runs at given settings and resolution.  Also, I edited that last post a little to clarify.

They say "Based on TPU review data: "Performance Summary" at 1920x1080, 4K for 2080 Ti and faster."

So it's a kinda vague mix but it comes in general pretty close to the conclusions of the less arguable benchmarks like GN or HU's, so I tend to use it 

 

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

14 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

They say "Based on TPU review data: "Performance Summary" at 1920x1080, 4K for 2080 Ti and faster."

So it's a kinda vague mix but it comes in general pretty close to the conclusions of the less arguable benchmarks like GN or HU's, so I tend to use it 

 

 

Rigt but what is it a measurement of?  For something with a specific purpose like gaming, I’d figure a 50 game average to be a far more accurate thing to measure value by.  A lot of review data starts making aggregate judgements about things unrelated to game performance. 

[PDifolco]

15 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Rigt but what is it a measurement of?  For something with a specific purpose like gaming, I’d figure a 50 game average to be a far more accurate thing to measure value by.  A lot of review data starts making aggregate judgements about things unrelated to game performance. 

I was supposing it's an average of game fps, and indeed... it is !

TPU makes full reviews with benchmarks of GPUs and scale performance to get their relative performance, looks pretty solid

Here's  the review for 7900XT, average on 25 games fps page

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt/31.html