first pc build.

[moeali21]

Budget (including currency): Budget is around 2000-2500 USD.

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

So I have a screenshot attached to the general idea of what I have for my pc build. Will probably go with a Hyte Y60 for the case instead and maybe a 360mm radiator for the cpu cooler just for an easier upgrade path in the future if I decided to get a more high end cpu. But with the release of the ryzen 7 7700X3D next month that might be the better move. Should I wait until next month for that release and move to the AM4 platform or stick with 13nth gen intel?

[FI Fheonix]

Just now, moeali21 said:

Budget (including currency): Budget is around 2000-2500 USD.

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

So I have a screenshot attached to the general idea of what I have for my pc build. Will probably go with a Hyte Y60 for the case instead and maybe a 360mm radiator for the cpu cooler just for an easier upgrade path in the future if I decided to get a more high end cpu. But with the release of the ryzen 7 7700X3D next month that might be the better move. Should I wait until next month for that release and move to the AM4 platform or stick with 13nth gen intel?

get a 360 mil anyway because the 13600k is a hot beast. I have one with a Nhd-15 and sometimes even it struggles when I put it to the max. Also don't pay that much for a windows License because you can get them from other retailers and manufactures for a lot cheaper. If you stick with Intel, you might have to update your BIOS to ensure compatibility. I personally would go with Intel for your build but that is just me. It depends on your needs maybe watch Linus's video about the new release for clarification. Bought AMD? You got played – Ryzen 7000 non-X Review - YouTube. 

 

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

With a 3080 I would not be worrying about spending so much on your CPU on motherboard.  You can do a system with a 7900xt for a lot less than this that will shred your proposed system in any game.  Upgrade path really won't mean anything, there will always be new platforms coming out, and you'll have this computer, and it'll be fast for a lot longer than you probably think.  People who upgrade every two years are wasting a lot of money on nothing, they really are just shopaholics with extra steps.

• The 4070ti is as much as twice as fast in the 3080.  A 13600k with a 4070ti will absolutely shred a 3080 with a 7700x.  If this is a 1440p build, a 12600k would actually still be pretty much identical in performance for about $75 less.
• The vertroo U6 pro will cool any CPU you'd ever use and has RGB.  It's on par with the noctua D15 for half the price and looks better with your case.  Don't worry about upgrade path, a gaming CPU will last you longer than you'd wanna be using the same AiO anyway.  Upgrade path is mostly a meme, especially for gaming where you build a nice system, and it works flawlessly for like 5-7 or so years.  By then you usually just end up getting a whole new system anyway.  A 10 core Alder Lake CPU will be more than fast enough for any game for a very long time, and by the time it's not, the upgradability of anything you could buy right now would be irrelevant.
• You can get 32GB of memory with this budget easily, and I would.  Chrome plated RAM like this looks really cool with an RGB cooler (the light will relfect off of the ram), honestly even cooler than RGB RAM.
• You can get a 2TB SSD, which you'll want with how big games are now.  People will moan about DRAMless, but frankly DRAMless gen 4s are so much faster than SATA that you'll still be amazed at how fast everything runs, especially if you've never had a gaming PC before.  The only workloads where DRAMless SSDs slow down are things that you're never gonna do unless you are a professional creative user, even then they're still pretty quick.
• A good 850w is plenty for the 7900xt.  1000w PSUs incur a huge price premium over 850w PSUs.  And $300 for a PSU is just silly.  The Revolution D.F. is a high-end unit that you'll never have a problem with. 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($308.67 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Vetroo U6 Pro 58.2 CFM CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 PG Riptide ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($153.97 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($64.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($101.48 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Enermax Revolution D.F. 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($114.99 @ Walmart) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Intel AX200 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax M.2 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($25.68 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1739.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-09 18:45 EST-0500

 

About $700 less with a WAY faster GPU.

[jamie.three]

2 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card  ($899.99 @ Amazon) 

The 4070ti is only $799 at the moment, $100 less for a faster GPU is a pretty good deal.

[Queen Chrysalis]

38 minutes ago, jamie.three said:

The 4070ti is only $799 at the moment, $100 less for a faster GPU is a pretty good deal.

Definitely, I edited the last parts list to reflect that.  Last I checked they were more, but yeah that's the better deal.

[moeali21]

4 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Definitely, I edited the last parts list to reflect that.  Last I checked they were more, but yeah that's the better deal.

Oh wow I didn’t see that the 4070ti dropped that much already. 

[moeali21]

7 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

With a 3080 I would not be worrying about spending so much on your CPU on motherboard.  You can do a system with a 7900xt for a lot less than this that will shred your proposed system in any game.  Upgrade path really won't mean anything, there will always be new platforms coming out, and you'll have this computer, and it'll be fast for a lot longer than you probably think.  People who upgrade every two years are wasting a lot of money on nothing, they really are just shopaholics with extra steps.

• The 4070ti is as much as twice as fast in the 3080.  A 13600k with a 4070ti will absolutely shred a 3080 with a 7700x.  If this is a 1440p build, a 12600k would actually still be pretty much identical in performance for about $75 less.
• The vertroo U6 pro will cool any CPU you'd ever use and has RGB.  It's on par with the noctua D15 for half the price and looks better with your case.  Don't worry about upgrade path, a gaming CPU will last you longer than you'd wanna be using the same AiO anyway.  Upgrade path is mostly a meme, especially for gaming where you build a nice system, and it works flawlessly for like 5-7 or so years.  By then you usually just end up getting a whole new system anyway.  A 10 core Alder Lake CPU will be more than fast enough for any game for a very long time, and by the time it's not, the upgradability of anything you could buy right now would be irrelevant.
• You can get 32GB of memory with this budget easily, and I would.  Chrome plated RAM like this looks really cool with an RGB cooler (the light will relfect off of the ram), honestly even cooler than RGB RAM.
• You can get a 2TB SSD, which you'll want with how big games are now.  People will moan about DRAMless, but frankly DRAMless gen 4s are so much faster than SATA that you'll still be amazed at how fast everything runs, especially if you've never had a gaming PC before.  The only workloads where DRAMless SSDs slow down are things that you're never gonna do unless you are a professional creative user, even then they're still pretty quick.
• A good 850w is plenty for the 7900xt.  1000w PSUs incur a huge price premium over 850w PSUs.  And $300 for a PSU is just silly.  The Revolution D.F. is a high-end unit that you'll never have a problem with. 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($308.67 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Vetroo U6 Pro 58.2 CFM CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 PG Riptide ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($153.97 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($64.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($101.48 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Enermax Revolution D.F. 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($114.99 @ Walmart) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Intel AX200 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax M.2 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($25.68 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1739.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-09 18:45 EST-0500

 

About $700 less with a WAY faster GPU.

I really appreciate this. I still think I want a water cooler for the cpu for the quietness that a aio provides. Also I’m stupid and want an lcd screen on the cpu because screen go brrrrr. I also appreciate you for telling me 850 watts should be enough. I just still don’t know if I should still go intel or wait for the X3D chips. With a 4070ti running at 1440p I should be GPU bound anyway right? Cpu difference between those choices at that resolution shouldn’t make too much of a difference? But again this is the first pc I’ve built so I don’t know. Just watch a bunch of YouTube lol. 

[Queen Chrysalis]

59 minutes ago, moeali21 said:

s. Also I’m stupid and want an lcd screen on the cpu because screen go brrrrr

I promise you this will be cool for like a day and you'll forget about it.  These things are major sucker-bait and/or first-time buyer bait.  Also, air coolers are just as quiet.  Liqquid coolers still have 2 120mm fans on them, and frankly, a 6-pipe dual rad air cooler is not gonna need to run those fans fast enough for you to hear them, especially inside of a case.  At the kind of temps you'd have to hit for it to be audible, an AiO would be running the fans just as fast.

59 minutes ago, moeali21 said:

I just still don’t know if I should still go intel or wait for the X3D chips. With a 4070ti running at 1440p I should be GPU bound anyway right?

Yeah, it won't make a real difference, and definitely not hundreds of dollars' worth of difference.  New CPUs really are a problem for both AMD and intel right now, as there old stuff is still plenty fast and will be for quite a while.  Especially at the kind of resolutions people play at with high-end GPUs.  

 

Think about it:  Did anything reallyy chagne in terms of CPU demands between now and 2021 when we were raving about how insanely fast Ryzen 5000 was?  Other than something faster coming out?  Sure the faster thing is faster, but was there anything left to be desired from Ryzen 5000?  The reality is that with a 1440p 144Hz monitor, the grand majority of games will still run beautifully (most on ultra, some on med/high) with a 6700k and a GTX 1080 (2015/2016).  An 8700k and an RTX 2080 (2018) still plays pretty much everything at ultra 1440p144Hz.  And don;t even get me started on how old of gear you can use to play 1080p60Hz on medium, which is more than fine for most people (and still usually looks very good).   And we have made major leaps in HW performance since then, so stuff that came out last year should still, and likely will, still be good enough to hit your monitor's refresh rate for a very long time.

 

[moeali21]

38 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

I promise you this will be cool for like a day and you'll forget about it.  These things are major sucker-bait and/or first-time buyer bait.  Also, air coolers are just as quiet.  Liqquid coolers still have 2 120mm fans on them, and frankly, a 6-pipe dual rad air cooler is not gonna need to run those fans fast enough for you to hear them, especially inside of a case.  At the kind of temps you'd have to hit for it to be audible, an AiO would be running the fans just as fast.

Yeah, it won't make a real difference, and definitely not hundreds of dollars' worth of difference.  New CPUs really are a problem for both AMD and intel right now, as there old stuff is still plenty fast and will be for quite a while.  Especially at the kind of resolutions people play at with high-end GPUs.  

 

Think about it:  Did anything reallyy chagne in terms of CPU demands between now and 2021 when we were raving about how insanely fast Ryzen 5000 was?  Other than something faster coming out?  Sure the faster thing is faster, but was there anything left to be desired from Ryzen 5000?  The reality is that with a 1440p 144Hz monitor, the grand majority of games will still run beautifully (most on ultra, some on med/high) with a 6700k and a GTX 1080 (2015/2016).  An 8700k and an RTX 2080 (2018) still plays pretty much everything at ultra 1440p144Hz.  And don;t even get me started on how old of gear you can use to play 1080p60Hz on medium, which is more than fine for most people (and still usually looks very good).   And we have made major leaps in HW performance since then, so stuff that came out last year should still, and likely will, still be good enough to hit your monitor's refresh rate for a very long time.

 

I agree. It can be easy to get sucked into the media cycle I guess. thanks for your help with all this. 

[jamie.three]

7 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Think about it:  Did anything reallyy chagne in terms of CPU demands between now and 2021 when we were raving about how insanely fast Ryzen 5000 was?  Other than something faster coming out?  Sure the faster thing is faster, but was there anything left to be desired from Ryzen 5000?  The reality is that with a 1440p 144Hz monitor, the grand majority of games will still run beautifully (most on ultra, some on med/high) with a 6700k and a GTX 1080 (2015/2016).  An 8700k and an RTX 2080 (2018) still plays pretty much everything at ultra 1440p144Hz.  And don;t even get me started on how old of gear you can use to play 1080p60Hz on medium, which is more than fine for most people (and still usually looks very good).   And we have made major leaps in HW performance since then, so stuff that came out last year should still, and likely will, still be good enough to hit your monitor's refresh rate for a very long time.

This does depend a bit on what the PC is being used for. for gaming you are 100% correct but just for example i sometimes need to do CPU rendering of CAD models on my PC and going from my current 5700g to, for example, a 13900k would cut the rendering time to 1/3 so, when some of the renders i am doing can take over 24 hours, a faster CPU could literally save me hours of time on a regular basis.

Since the OP didnt mention anything they will be using the PC for other than gaming a 13600k or 12600k would be a good choice for them, but my point is that these new CPUs aren't past the point of diminishing returns for quite a lot of people

[Queen Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, jamie.three said:

This does depend a bit on what the PC is being used for. for gaming you are 100% correct but just for example i sometimes need to do CPU rendering of CAD models on my PC and going from my current 5700g to, for example, a 13900k would cut the rendering time to 1/3 so, when some of the renders i am doing can take over 24 hours, a faster CPU could literally save me hours of time on a regular basis.

Since the OP didnt mention anything they will be using the PC for other than gaming a 13600k or 12600k would be a good choice for them, but my point is that these new CPUs aren't past the point of diminishing returns for quite a lot of people

It also depends on how often you render.  If I spend 4 hours clipping and scrubbing in a video, and my render time is cut from 20 minutes to 8 minutes, that's not worth an upgrade.  Most video editing and 3D modeling stuff works more on your GPU now anyway.  And most people here are gaming, like the grand majority.  Even people who occasionally are editing are only doing it at a low enough level that gaming hardware is more than capable of doing it very quickly.  The 5700g and 13900k are also not good CPUs to compare, as they were not in the same price category to begin with, and the 13900k is an absolute core monster, with e-cores boosting the hell out of CPU render tasks, which are rare now with the advent of GPU acceleration.  A more consistent comparison would have been render times between a Ryzen 7 1700 and a Ryzen 7 7700 or an i7 8700k and an i5 13600k, as all of those were about the same price on launch.