New pc build (from old)

Astrid · October 18, 2022

1. Budget & Location : 2000-2500€ - Italy

2. Aim : Mostly Gaming, maybe streaming and image editing (i'm an astrophotographer and i use various programs that are cpu and memory heavy)

3. Monitors

I currently use a 1080p Monitor but i want to change it for something better with good resolution,refresh rate and color accuracy, for both gaming and hobby. 24-27" would be best bc i don't have very much space on my desk right now.

4. Peripherals

No need for now

5. Why are you upgrading?

I'm stuck with my 11yo pc with an i7 3770k and 8Gb of memory, i think it's time for an upgrade. To get the best possible oi would like to stick with my old GPU IF POSSIBLE, it's an Rx 570 8Gb Nitro+. Also i would like to have a nice AIO liquid cooler to have a nice build, i have and NH-D14 and it's a beast i know, but i want to change the look of the case for once . Also would be good to have a case with a vertical GPU mount just for the esthetic.

Thanks for the help in advance

Bombastinator · October 18, 2022

22 minutes ago, Astrid said:

1. Budget & Location : 2000-2500€ - Italy

2. Aim : Mostly Gaming, maybe streaming and image editing (i'm an astrophotographer and i use various programs that are cpu and memory heavy)

3. Monitors

I currently use a 1080p Monitor but i want to change it for something better with good resolution,refresh rate and color accuracy, for both gaming and hobby. 24-27" would be best bc i don't have very much space on my desk right now.

4. Peripherals

No need for now

5. Why are you upgrading?

I'm stuck with my 11yo pc with an i7 3770k and 8Gb of memory, i think it's time for an upgrade. To get the best possible oi would like to stick with my old GPU IF POSSIBLE, it's an Rx 570 8Gb Nitro+. Also i would like to have a nice AIO liquid cooler to have a nice build, i have and NH-D14 and it's a beast i know, but i want to change the look of the case for once . Also would be good to have a case with a vertical GPU mount just for the esthetic.

Thanks for the help in advance

The 570 is a 1080p card for 3d rendering or high refresh. If you want to go with a larger resolution the 570 has to go.
1.) is the cost of a new monitor included in that budget?
2.) so you don’t like the look of the DH 14 (which would need an adaptor kit to fit new intel and possibly also new AMD) enough to get an AIO instead?

3.) since aesthetics are involved how do you feel about rgb?

Edited October 18, 2022 by Bombastinator

Astrid · October 18, 2022

18 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The 570 is a 1080p card for 3d rendering or high refresh. If you want to go with a larger resolution the 570 has to go.
1.) is the cost of a new monitor included in that budget?
2.) so you don’t like the look of the DH 14 (which would need an adaptor kit to fit new intel and possibly also new AMD) enough to get an AIO instead?

3.) since aesthetics are involved how do you feel about rgb?

I was thinking to switch from 1080p to maybe 2k (becasue i wanted to use my old gpu but if the rx 570 it's not good even for 2k then a 4k monitor or less and a new gpu would be ok)

1) Yes

2) I didn't mention that ad i'm sorry, the DH-14 stay in the old pc. Altough it perform really good, in the new build i want a cleaner look without the massive chunk of alluminum in the case that's why i tought of an AIO licquid cooler

3) would be good but not too much if u know what i mean.

And also one thing. I want te possibility to overclock CPU and RAM

Bombastinator · October 18, 2022

38 minutes ago, Astrid said:

I was thinking to switch from 1080p to maybe 2k (becasue i wanted to use my old gpu but if the rx 570 it's not good even for 2k then a 4k monitor or less and a new gpu would be ok)

1) Yes

2) I didn't mention that ad i'm sorry, the DH-14 stay in the old pc. Altough it perform really good, in the new build i want a cleaner look without the massive chunk of alluminum in the case that's why i tought of an AIO licquid cooler

3) would be good but not too much if u know what i mean.

For me personally any is too much so I perhaps don’t. It also eats budget which has just effectively dropped because the monitor is included. We’ll see what can be done though. I won’t deliberately avoid it but if the cost difference is high it may not be in the cards here. Rgb adds cost without performance benefit. Are you willing to go with aa used video card? (I don’t know how possible that is in Italy. The mining bust has radically dropped the price of used video cards though). With a 3060 you’ll have to run some games at lower rez. A4k does 1080p well though so it shouldn’t be much of an issue. Anything oled was completely out of budget.

PCPartPicker Part List

Edited October 18, 2022 by Bombastinator

Bombastinator · October 18, 2022

It’s still a whisker over budget. Putting you in a 12700 would be preferable because it has ecores which may be useful to you with the photography. Apparently AMD isn’t even an option in Italy so intel it is. The video card was picked mostly for price point. I recently picked up a used 6800xt for $525. I’ve heard they've gone down again though.
PCPartPicker Part List

Astrid · October 18, 2022

26 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

For me personally any is too much so I perhaps don’t. It also eats budget which has just effectively dropped because the monitor is included. We’ll see what can be done though. I won’t deliberately avoid it but if the cost difference is high it may not be in the cards here. Rgb adds cost without performance benefit. Are you willing to go with aa used video card? (I don’t know how possible that is in Italy. The mining bust has radically dropped the price of used video cards though)

If u can/want you can suggest a build with or without RGB. If the price raise to like 3000-ish (with or without RGB it's not a big problem. But higher than that yes) . i'm really skeptical about used gpu to be honest, you can get good deals or not. I also can buy from German sites if u want to see if there are cost changes

Astrid · October 18, 2022

7 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

It’s still a whisker over budget. Putting you in a 12700 would be preferable because it has ecores which may be useful to you with the photography. Apparently AMD isn’t even an option in Italy so intel it is. The video card was picked mostly for price point. I recently picked up a used 6800xt for $525. I’ve heard they've gone down again though.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor (€210.00 @ Amazon Italia)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L V2 RGB 62 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€54.74 @ Amazon Italia)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€140.31 @ Amazon Italia)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (€150.02 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€47.90 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (€50.65 @ Amazon Italia)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X12G GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB Video Card (€496.30 @ Amazon Italia)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (€140.16 @ Amazon Italia)
Power Supply: EVGA 850 BQ 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (€103.98 @ Amazon Italia)
Monitor: LG 27GN950-B 27.0" 3840 x 2160 144 Hz Monitor (€688.90 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €2082.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-18 11:54 CEST+0200

There are other sites than Amazon that sells pc parts that are not visible in pcpartpicker (don't know why tho) so if u want to do an AMD build or a build with a better intel cpu just list the parts and i will do the search

Bombastinator · October 18, 2022

9 minutes ago, Astrid said:

There are other sites than Amazon that sells pc parts that are not visible in pcpartpicker (don't know why tho) so if u want to do an AMD build or a build with a better intel cpu just list the parts and i will do the search

In my country as well. Pcpartpicker does not include microcenter walk in which is significantly cheaper in a lot of instances. The competitor for the 12400f AMD side is the 5600x and the 5600g. The 5600G is only worth looking at if it’s significantly cheaper though. It has been gimped so the trick with that one is not exceeding its capacity. The 5600g cannot do pcie4 at all and is limited in video card bandwidth to pcie3.0x8 so nothing faster than a 2080. (Which that 3060 fits in) If you do that though it’s the same speed as the 5600x. So a b450 board and Nvidia amphere not faster than a 3070. The competitor for the 12700 is the 5800x

Edited October 18, 2022 by Bombastinator

Astrid · October 18, 2022

7 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

In my country as well. Pcpartpicker does not include microcenter walk in which is significantly cheaper in a lot of instances. The competitor for the 12400f AMD side is the 5600x and the 5600g. The 5600G is only worth looking at if it’s significantly cheaper though. It has been gimped so the trick with that one is not exceeding its capacity. The 5600g cannot do pcie4 at all and is limited in video card bandwidth to pcie3.0x8 so nothing faster than a 2080. (Which that 3060 fits in) If you do that though it’s the same speed as the 5600x. The competitor for the 12700 is the 5800x

What would you recommend between intel and amd in my case?

Bombastinator · October 18, 2022

52 minutes ago, Astrid said:

What would you recommend between intel and amd in my case?

It doesn’t make a ton of difference. Intel has cheaper chips but more expensive motherboards so it’s basically a wash. The only thing that might be worth considering is that 5600g IF it is enough cheaper to justify it. You wind up with a cheaper equivalently fast system but with extremely limited upgradability. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn’t. If the 5600x is the same price or cheaper than the 12400f you may get a cheaper total system with AMD. AMD also has the “whole lot of cores” thing going on, which helps in some things but I don’t know that it would actually help you though.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Bombastinator

Astrid · October 18, 2022

I can stretch a little more for a good monitor. The one you selected is good but i heard that between 120 and 144hz the difference is subtle and a 120Hz monitor is cheaper. If u can find a good 4k 120Hz suitable for me would be really good. What do you think about this possible build? For best prices i can wait Black friday deals to see maybe is something better is on sale, so i don't need the parts right away

PCPartPicker Part List: https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/TbzGwc

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (€429.88 @ Amazon Italia) box without stock cooler
stockCPU Cooler: EK AIO Elite 360 D-RGB 66.04 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€217.25 @ Amazon Italia)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€265.77 @ Amazon Italia)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (€150.02 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€228.54 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€228.54 @ Amazon Italia)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X12G GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB Video Card (€496.30 @ Amazon Italia)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (€140.16 @ Amazon Italia)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€115.00 @ Amazon Italia)
Monitor: LG 27GN950-B 27.0" 3840 x 2160 144 Hz Monitor (€688.90 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €2960.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-18 15:52 CEST+0200

Astrid · October 18, 2022

@Bombastinator I was searching and i found this monitor LG 27GN850 UltraGear Gaming Monitor 27" that's a 1440p monitor at €358 @ Amazon Italia. Do you think it's good enough? All with the last build i posted. I don't really need a 4k monitor to be honest. And one think , on amazon i can only find extension cable for PCIe 4.0 but the one on the motherboard is a gen 5. Will there be compatibility problems?

Edited October 18, 2022 by Astrid

Bombastinator · October 18, 2022

3 hours ago, Astrid said:

I can stretch a little more for a good monitor. The one you selected is good but i heard that between 120 and 144hz the difference is subtle and a 120Hz monitor is cheaper. If u can find a good 4k 120Hz suitable for me would be really good. What do you think about this possible build? For best prices i can wait Black friday deals to see maybe is something better is on sale, so i don't need the parts right away

PCPartPicker Part List: https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/TbzGwc

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (€429.88 @ Amazon Italia) box without stock cooler
stockCPU Cooler: EK AIO Elite 360 D-RGB 66.04 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€217.25 @ Amazon Italia)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€265.77 @ Amazon Italia)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (€150.02 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€228.54 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€228.54 @ Amazon Italia)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X12G GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB Video Card (€496.30 @ Amazon Italia)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (€140.16 @ Amazon Italia)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€115.00 @ Amazon Italia)
Monitor: LG 27GN950-B 27.0" 3840 x 2160 144 Hz Monitor (€688.90 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €2960.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-18 15:52 CEST+0200

That was the second cheapest 4k monitor on the site and the price difference between the two was tiny. The one you picked isn’t much more though. You seem to have spent most of the money on the 12700k and it’s required upgrades. I would likely go for a bigger monitor (32 in or more) and that ram i specced was mostly for the rgb and brand of chips that line is supposed to get under the heat sink. One pays a lot for that small bar of light though.

the problem with K over non K is they require a z690 motherboard (so another 70€ or so) to do anything, so the bump in price is even bigger than it seems. When I looked at 12700 vs 12700k for my rig the difference was fifty bucks. I still went for the non-k. Yours seems to be around 200€ So with the motherboard it’s likely around 120€ or in this case more like 150) or so to get a 10-15% performance bump. So more or less doubling cost for 10-15% speed. Makes sense if you have to have that speed though. If one could wait for 13th gen which is due to release in November I would do it though. Things are looking flood on that front especially if ecores are useful to you (I only game and ecores are totally worthless for gaming)
The PSU is a tiny bit pricier but not a lot. The one I specced was deliberately over large because the whole used gpu thing was still open. That PSU could handle a 3090 without issue.
The bump in storage to 4tb over 3tb and to go all nvme has its points. Mostly in access time. I might go with a Samsung 970pro though as they have a lot more total write cycles and will last longer. Perhaps a 1tb one of those and then a really big shingled sata drive for slow storage. There is a lot of data where it just isn’t important if it is quickly loaded or not. The concept of RAIDing those two NVMEs together would be cool but is broken by NVMEs not getting along with hardware raid. Also one of them might come off the chipset. I don’t know. the nvme/mechanical combo nets more total storage but the majority of it is a lot slower. Cost per gb for mechanical drives is still half that of nvme.

You might actually need a bigger watercooler for a 12700k. They can get really warm on an oc. 3x120 makes sense with that case. Wow is that thing expensive though.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Bombastinator

Astrid · October 18, 2022

7 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

That was the second cheapest 4k monitor on the site and the price difference between the two was tiny. The one you picked isn’t much more though. You seem to have spent most of the money on the 12700k and it’s required upgrades. I would likely go for a bigger monitor (32 in or more) and that ram i specced was mostly for the rgb and brand of chips that line is supposed to get under the heat sink. One pays a lot for that small bar of light though.

the problem with K over non K is they require a z690 motherboard (so another 70€ or so) to do anything, so the bump in price is even bigger than it seems. When I looked at 12700 vs 12700k for my rig the difference was fifty bucks. I still went for the non-k. Yours seems to be around 200€ So with the motherboard it’s likely around 120€ or in this case more like 150) or so to get a 10-15% performance bump. So more or less doubling cost for 10-15% speed. Makes sense if you have to have that speed though.
The PSU is a tiny bit pricier but not a lot. The one I specced was deliberately over large because the whole used gpu thing was still open. That PSU could handle a 3090 without issue.
The bump in storage to 4tb over 3tb and to go all nvme has its points. Mostly in access time. I might go with a Samsung 970pro though as they have a lot more total write cycles and will last longer. Perhaps a 1tb one of those and then a really big shingled sata drive for slow storage. There is a lot of data where it just isn’t important if it is quickly loaded or not. The concept of RAIDing those two NVMEs together would be cool but is broken by NVMEs not getting along with hardware raid. Also one of them might come off the chipset. I don’t know. the nvme/mechanical combo nets more total storage but the majority of it is a lot slower. Cost per gb for mechanical drives is still half that of nvme.

You might actually need a bigger watercooler for a 12700k. They can get really warm on an oc. 3x120 makes sense with that case. Wow is that thing expensive though.

The fact is that for +30Euro difference between the K and non K i would chose the K ... paired with that AIO ai can OC that's why. Regarding the storage i alwasy worked with a mechanical drivers but it's realy slow. Maybe i can buy just one samsung pro with 2Tb and a HHD for other things.

Bombastinator · October 18, 2022

1 hour ago, Astrid said:

@Bombastinator I was searching and i found this monitor LG 27GN850 UltraGear Gaming Monitor 27" that's a 1440p monitor at €358 @ Amazon Italia. Do you think it's good enough? All with the last build i posted. I don't really need a 4k monitor to be honest. And one think , on amazon i can only find extension cable for PCIe 4.0 but the one on the motherboard is a gen 5. Will there be compatibility problems?

I’m not a superfan of 4k at 27” they’re a lot cheaper though. Has to do with manufacturing methodology I understand. Price bumps way up after 27”. The problem is 27” is sort of the upper limit of 1080p though. It’s inconvenient.

my move would probably be to stick with non k and b660 (there are supposed to be some boards with external clock chips that will overclock non k chips anyway. Not sure which ones they are though so you could get the high ghz without the cost) and go for a larger monitor. Oled is still out of reach even with the bigger budget. QDOLED is apparently the one to get if possible.

Bombastinator · October 18, 2022

3 minutes ago, Astrid said:

The fact is that for +30Euro difference between the K and non K i would chose the K ... paired with that AIO ai can OC that's why. Regarding the storage i alwasy worked with a mechanical drivers but it's realy slow. Maybe i can buy just one samsung pro with 2Tb and a HHD for other things.

Your difference was €200 though.

Astrid · October 18, 2022

8 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Your difference was €200 though.

You mean with the motherboard and cpu..i got it. It's a little bit over the budget.

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