PC upgrade, advice needed.

[Treggers]

Budget (including currency): 600-800

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

All kinds, from Path of Exile, to Stellaris via counter strike

I run 2 180p screens

Other details 

I am looking to get a new CPU, Motherboard, Ram, SSD and a spinning metal backup HD. I am currently running a 6600k so it is a little bit out of date. 

GPU wise i am running a 1070 which is still running games well enough for me and i can't justify the upgrade now while my big bottleneck is the CPU

I was thinking of getting a 12600 but am not sure on the mobo or ram choices, be it  DDR4 or 5

Things from the old rig that i can carry over

Case: Haf x https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/legacy-products/cases/haf-x/

M.2 Samsung 960 PRO 512GB

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14

PSU: Corsair RM 850

A few other storage drives that are coming up to a decade old and need swapping out

any questions please ask

thanks

[Selestial]

Honestly, you could slap a new GPU in it and be just fine. You have a decent CPU, but if you were to upgrade, I'd say go with any i7 6 or 8 core. My friend has a desktop that came with an i5 6400 and a gt 730 2gb and it couldn't play anything we wanted without sacrificing everything. We threw a 1050ti and an wd blue SSD in it and it sprung to life. He is still using it. We're playing games like borderlands series, ark, and no man's sky. Borderlands 2 and 3 are running great on that system at 1080p usually with medium to high settings.

[jaslion]

21 minutes ago, Meowth LVL255 said:

Honestly, you could slap a new GPU in it and be just fine. You have a decent CPU, but if you were to upgrade, I'd say go with any i7 6 or 8 core. My friend has a desktop that came with an i5 6400 and a gt 730 2gb and it couldn't play anything we wanted without sacrificing everything. We threw a 1050ti and an wd blue SSD in it and it sprung to life. He is still using it. We're playing games like borderlands series, ark, and no man's sky. Borderlands 2 and 3 are running great on that system at 1080p usually with medium to high settings.

I fully disagree here.

 

A pure 4 core cpu struggles in modern games. Plenty of stuttering and the like.

 

That and op plays stellaris that game is very cpu bound. Doesnt use a ton of cores but easily maxes a 4 core out.

 

Op a 12400 OR 12600kf(the k has the e cores) + b660 board and a set of ddr4 cl16 3200mhz or faster ram will do you well.

 

Also dont forget to get a lga 1700 adapter kit for your u14

[IkeaGnome]

17 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Also dont forget to get a lga 1700 adapter kit for your u14

If OP has some patience, Noctua will give them to you for free. 
 

https://noctua.at/en/webforms/form/preview/id/44/

Edited August 1, 2022 by IkeaGnome
Added link to Noctua form.

[jaslion]

26 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

If OP has some patience, Noctua will give them to you for free. 
 

https://noctua.at/en/webforms/form/preview/id/44/

Good point forgot that noctua does this often

[Trevor87]

 It still quite nice medium rated pc. If you are doing abit of streaming and editing I would try upgrade the cpu I7 and add more ram. Also give it good clean in side if you haven't done it in while that help.  

[Selestial]

3 hours ago, jaslion said:

I fully disagree here.

 

A pure 4 core cpu struggles in modern games. Plenty of stuttering and the like.

 

That and op plays stellaris that game is very cpu bound. Doesnt use a ton of cores but easily maxes a 4 core out.

 

Op a 12400 OR 12600kf(the k has the e cores) + b660 board and a set of ddr4 cl16 3200mhz or faster ram will do you well.

 

Also dont forget to get a lga 1700 adapter kit for your u14

Yeah, and my 3080 still struggles with the starfield loading screen in no man's sky, but that doesn't mean my i9 9900k needs to go.

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, Meowth LVL255 said:

Yeah, and my 3080 still struggles with the starfield loading screen in no man's sky, but that doesn't mean my i9 9900k needs to go.

A 9900k is a damn fine gaming cpu. That i5 literally cannot keep a steady framerate in fortnite.

 

These are HUMONGOUSLY different classes of cpu's. Like literally you have 4 times the cpu here.

[Selestial]

1 minute ago, jaslion said:

A 9900k is a damn fine gaming cpu. That i5 literally cannot keep a steady framerate in fortnite.

 

These are HUMONGOUSLY different classes of cpu's. Like literally you have 4 times the cpu here.

I understand that, but also my original post was talking about an i5 6400 for example and also said if op should upgrade, go for 6 or 8 core i7.

[IkeaGnome]

5 hours ago, Treggers said:

I am looking to get a new CPU, Motherboard, Ram, SSD and a spinning metal backup HD. I am currently running a 6600k so it is a little bit out of date. 

GPU wise i am running a 1070 which is still running games well enough for me and i can't justify the upgrade now while my big bottleneck is the CPU

Can you do us all a favor to solve some squabbling? 

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

Run HWinfo in the background in sensors only mode while playing games and then show us per core utilization on the CPU and utilization on the graphics card? Per core utilization will be labeled as Core #0 through Core #3 under CPU 0 

[Treggers]

3 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

Can you do us all a favor to solve some squabbling? 

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

Run HWinfo in the background in sensors only mode while playing games and then show us per core utilization on the CPU and utilization on the graphics card? Per core utilization will be labeled as Core #0 through Core #3 under CPU 0 

Most of the games i play pin the CPU to the roof while the gpu is sat at arround 50-80% utilization

attached are the readouts after a quick 10 min mission on outriders with the second screen on

 

Thanks for the bracket reminder and link jaslion and IkeaGnome

 

I dont do any streaming no do i intend to start, im not that interesting and have distracting kids

 

[IkeaGnome]

3 minutes ago, Treggers said:

Most of the games i play pin the CPU to the roof while the gpu is sat at arround 50-80% utilization

attached are the readouts after a quick 10 min mission on outriders with the second screen on

At 1080p that's not surprising. I'm guessing your GPU hit 100% usage while loading, then once in game the CPU is the one at 100%? Easy CPU upgrade. What ram do you have now? Size and speed? If you don't need new ram this is probably what I'd throw in that computer.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($269.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME H670-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $419.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-01 18:46 EDT-0400

12600k has really good single core performance. The "K" on a board that you can't overclock on is because the 12600 is 6 core 12 thread. The 12600k has 6 P cores and the 12 threads that go with those cores then adds 4 efficiency cores for a 10 core 16 thread CPU. The Asus prime H670 plus is really well priced. H670 sits in a nice middle ground between Z690 and B660. That board doesn't have WiFi built in. If you wanted it built in, I'd go with something like the Gigabyte B660 Gaming X  for $10 more. 

Ironically, if we lean into the $800 part of your budget you can fit a 3060 into this build by going ever so slightly over budget. 3060 would also be a decent upgrade from a 1070, but I'd just wait and put a bit more aside to try to stay in a xx70 series.  

[Treggers]

ram wise i have Kingston Fury Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz and another simmilar 2*4gb kit i bought to stop POE crashing constantly so it is rather slow

 

I dont need wifi fortunately

[IkeaGnome]

13 minutes ago, Treggers said:

ram wise i have Kingston Fury Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz and another simmilar 2*4gb kit i bought to stop POE crashing constantly so it is rather slow

 

I dont need wifi fortunately

That's cheap and easy to add. I'm assuming 16gb is plenty for you since running 4x4 fixed the crashes.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($269.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME H670-PLUS D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($63.99 @ Corsair) 
Total: $483.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-01 19:35 EDT-0400

Keep in mind these benchmarks below are with a 3080, but at 1080p you'll still be leaning into the CPU more than the GPU. Here's for a quick idea on what you can get out of the 12600k later on with a bit better of a GPU. I'd expect you to be towards the top of that, but you won't get quite the same performance as this. The 1070 does have enough VRAM that you might get very very close to those FPS points though.

 

[Treggers]

thank you for the help