FPS ISSUES

[SUIIIIIIII]

Hello, I have been trying to game and stream some stuff on my second monitor and when playing games, it has been rough. I wanted to see what I can do to improve my experience. Whenever I have twitch and try to play some Valorant, War Thunder, and CSGO my frames drop from 150 to 20 Ish. I'm not too sure if would be a hardware problem and if I need to upgrade something. I've tried over clocking my pc but vie had no luck trying to understand it. I was just trying to see what i could do to have a better experience. 

 

EDIT : I recently went from 16g ram to 32g but that didn't help and tried overclocking CPU and gpu but that also didn't do anything. I was following some YouTube video when trying to over clock.  

 

 

PC:   Case: NZXT 510 | Motherboard: z490 PRO WIFI | CPU: Intel I5-11600k | GPU: MSI 3060 trio 12g | RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32g 3200mhz | COOLER: Cool Master 212 | 6 RGB fans | Power Supply: 650 watts |

[Jack Dvorak]

specs?

[SUIIIIIIII]

1 minute ago, Jack Dvorak said:

specs?

I thought i added them to my signature but here they are. 

 

PC:   Case: NZXT 510 | Motherboard: z490 PRO WIFI | CPU: Intel I5-11600k | GPU: MSI 3060 trio 12g | RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32g 3200mhz | COOLER: Cool Master 212 | 6 RGB fans | Power Supply: 650 watts |

[av1ty]

For now do the following:

 

1) Try a doing a clean driver install.

 

2) Check your temps while gaming and streaming.

 

[unclewebb]

10 hours ago, SUIIIIIIII said:

my frames drop from 150 to 20

To fix a problem you have to first understand the problem.

 

Try running ThrottleStop 9.4.6

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

Show me screenshots of the main ThrottleStop window, the FIVR window and the TPL window. Open the Options window, check the Nvidia GPU box so ThrottleStop can monitor your Nvidia GPU performance. On the main screen, check the Log File box and go play a game for 15 minutes. Make sure the log file includes data from when your computer is running slow. 

 

When finished testing, exit your game and then exit ThrottleStop so it can finalize the log file. It will be located in your ThrottleStop / Logs folder. The log file tracks the most common reasons why computers throttle and run slowly. Attach your log file and some screenshots to your next post. 

 

[SUIIIIIIII]

3 hours ago, unclewebb said:

To fix a problem you have to first understand the problem.

 

Try running ThrottleStop 9.4.6

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

Show me screenshots of the main ThrottleStop window, the FIVR window and the TPL window. Open the Options window, check the Nvidia GPU box so ThrottleStop can monitor your Nvidia GPU performance. On the main screen, check the Log File box and go play a game for 15 minutes. Make sure the log file includes data from when your computer is running slow. 

 

When finished testing, exit your game and then exit ThrottleStop so it can finalize the log file. It will be located in your ThrottleStop / Logs folder. The log file tracks the most common reasons why computers throttle and run slowly. Attach your log file and some screenshots to your next post. 

 

thank you I will try this to see what is happening. 

[SUIIIIIIII]

4 hours ago, unclewebb said:

To fix a problem you have to first understand the problem.

 

Try running ThrottleStop 9.4.6

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

Show me screenshots of the main ThrottleStop window, the FIVR window and the TPL window. Open the Options window, check the Nvidia GPU box so ThrottleStop can monitor your Nvidia GPU performance. On the main screen, check the Log File box and go play a game for 15 minutes. Make sure the log file includes data from when your computer is running slow. 

 

When finished testing, exit your game and then exit ThrottleStop so it can finalize the log file. It will be located in your ThrottleStop / Logs folder. The log file tracks the most common reasons why computers throttle and run slowly. Attach your log file and some screenshots to your next post. 

 

HERE is what I could get it's like 5 minutes of games since i had to leave early. This was with music in the background and some other applications. This is my frist time doing this let me know if i have to do something differently. screenshots are when i was running the pc with nothing. I enclouded the logs at the bottom. 

 

 

2022-06-17.txt

[unclewebb]

2 hours ago, SUIIIIIIII said:

it's like 5 minutes of games

When you have more time, delete your current log file and run a longer log file. In order to understand what is going on, you have to play long enough. You need to play through at least one incident of low FPS. Preferably more than just one incident. No hurries gathering some data. The longer the log file is, the better the chance that something significant will show up in it. 

 

So far the log file you posted shows your CPU is running great. There are no problems with performance or temperatures or anything else. If it was my computer, I would check the FIVR Overclock box and I would set all of the turbo ratio limits to 49. I do not think your computer would have any trouble at all running a little faster when loaded.

 

You can save this adventure for later. First run a longer log file with your present settings.  

 

6 hours ago, unclewebb said:

Open the Options window, check the Nvidia GPU box so ThrottleStop can monitor your Nvidia GPU performance.

GPU performance is just as important as CPU performance. It is best to have data for both the CPU and GPU in the same log file. When you see a huge drop in FPS, it could be your GPU that has a problem.

 

2 hours ago, SUIIIIIIII said:

Try running ThrottleStop 9.4.6

 

2 hours ago, SUIIIIIIII said:

and some other applications

It is a good idea to do some testing after you first boot up with as little as possible running in the background. You need a baseline reading. When idle at the desktop, what does ThrottleStop report on the main screen for C0%? What does the Task Manager Details tab report? It is nice when the System Idle Process reports 99%. Most computers are nowhere near that. If you see a lot of stuff running in the background, you have to find out what is running and then you have to decide if it needs to be running all of the time or not. Lots of bloated apps like to start up automatically when you boot up when they really do not need to be running all of the time. Remember to use the Details tab in the Task Manager to hunt down bloat ware.   

 

[SUIIIIIIII]

1 hour ago, unclewebb said:

When you have more time, delete your current log file and run a longer log file. In order to understand what is going on, you have to play long enough. You need to play through at least one incident of low FPS. Preferably more than just one incident. No hurries gathering some data. The longer the log file is, the better the chance that something significant will show up in it. 

 

So far the log file you posted shows your CPU is running great. There are no problems with performance or temperatures or anything else. If it was my computer, I would check the FIVR Overclock box and I would set all of the turbo ratio limits to 49. I do not think your computer would have any trouble at all running a little faster when loaded.

 

You can save this adventure for later. First run a longer log file with your present settings.  

 

GPU performance is just as important as CPU performance. It is best to have data for both the CPU and GPU in the same log file. When you see a huge drop in FPS, it could be your GPU that has a problem.

 

 

It is a good idea to do some testing after you first boot up with as little as possible running in the background. You need a baseline reading. When idle at the desktop, what does ThrottleStop report on the main screen for C0%? What does the Task Manager Details tab report? It is nice when the System Idle Process reports 99%. Most computers are nowhere near that. If you see a lot of stuff running in the background, you have to find out what is running and then you have to decide if it needs to be running all of the time or not. Lots of bloated apps like to start up automatically when you boot up when they really do not need to be running all of the time. Remember to use the Details tab in the Task Manager to hunt down bloat ware.   

 

Okay awesome. I’m at work so it should give my pc time to cool off entirely get a baseline reading of temps and usage of the cpu. I will give overclocking a try. I appreciate it. Ill keep you posted. One question, Do you think my components are good ? What do you think could help me get more fps if i were to upgrade. Or at least what can help me reach a decent fps while running other program on my second monitor. Just want som suggestions for the future. I was thinking upgrading the mother board but i would like to hear your suggestion and what product to get I would greatly appreciate it. 

[silencer12]

Just a suggestion which would improve temperatures instead of FPS.  Use a liquid cooler over the Coolermaster Hyper 212. The Hyper 212 was not going to help me when I had it for my 7600k-Intel cpu on good temperatures. Unless I added a secondary fan on the heating or get a heating with more heatpipes (I was looking at 5-6). But that would make the space wider on my processor even in a full-tower case. Honestly, I did not think it would all fit. I explained this all to a friend who told me to get a liquid cooler. My temperatures on load are 38-45 Celsius. You would save atleast 20 degrees compared to your screenshot. 

 

Your parts are fine and should last you a while. 

 

[unclewebb]

13 minutes ago, silencer12 said:

Use a liquid cooler over the Coolermaster Hyper 212.

Why? His CPU temperatures are fantastic. The log file shows his CPU is running at under 65°C while playing. Running a CPU at 50°C instead of 65°C is not going to make it run any faster. 

 

43 minutes ago, SUIIIIIIII said:

What do you think could help me get more fps

Until I see some data that shows what your problem is, it is impossible to say what you should consider upgrading. The good news is that since the crypto crash started, new and used GPU prices are finally dropping like a rock. Start saving up for a more powerful GPU. 

 

Your 6 core CPU can likely run reliably with all 6 cores and 12 threads at a steady 4.9 GHz. So far your CPU does not seem to be the source of any problems. The voltage regulators on your motherboard might be overheating and causing the huge drop in FPS. What motherboard model do you have? Some after market heatsink and fans do not direct any airflow towards the voltage regulators. This can cause them to overheat. 

[SUIIIIIIII]

45 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

Why? His CPU temperatures are fantastic. The log file shows his CPU is running at under 65°C while playing. Running a CPU at 50°C instead of 65°C is not going to make it run any faster. 

 

Until I see some data that shows what your problem is, it is impossible to say what you should consider upgrading. The good news is that since the crypto crash started, new and used GPU prices are finally dropping like a rock. Start saving up for a more powerful GPU. 

 

Your 6 core CPU can likely run reliably with all 6 cores and 12 threads at a steady 4.9 GHz. So far your CPU does not seem to be the source of any problems. The voltage regulators on your motherboard might be overheating and causing the huge drop in FPS. What motherboard model do you have? Some after market heatsink and fans do not direct any airflow towards the voltage regulators. This can cause them to overheat. 

Running a MSI z490 A pro wifi. Running another test as we speak. 

[SUIIIIIIII]

2 hours ago, unclewebb said:

Why? His CPU temperatures are fantastic. The log file shows his CPU is running at under 65°C while playing. Running a CPU at 50°C instead of 65°C is not going to make it run any faster. 

 

Until I see some data that shows what your problem is, it is impossible to say what you should consider upgrading. The good news is that since the crypto crash started, new and used GPU prices are finally dropping like a rock. Start saving up for a more powerful GPU. 

 

Your 6 core CPU can likely run reliably with all 6 cores and 12 threads at a steady 4.9 GHz. So far your CPU does not seem to be the source of any problems. The voltage regulators on your motherboard might be overheating and causing the huge drop in FPS. What motherboard model do you have? Some after market heatsink and fans do not direct any airflow towards the voltage regulators. This can cause them to overheat. 

okay so I put all six cores at 49 like you suggested there was a improvement. I don't think I ever saw a below 55 fps under load. This included streaming a music video on YouTube, a live stream on twitch ang playing the video game. Now here are the logs as well. what do you think should be the next steps ?  

2022-06-17.txt

[silencer12]

2 hours ago, unclewebb said:

Why? His CPU temperatures are fantastic. The log file shows his CPU is running at under 65°C while playing. Running a CPU at 50°C instead of 65°C is not going to make it run any faster. 

 

Until I see some data that shows what your problem is, it is impossible to say what you should consider upgrading. The good news is that since the crypto crash started, new and used GPU prices are finally dropping like a rock. Start saving up for a more powerful GPU. 

 

Your 6 core CPU can likely run reliably with all 6 cores and 12 threads at a steady 4.9 GHz. So far your CPU does not seem to be the source of any problems. The voltage regulators on your motherboard might be overheating and causing the huge drop in FPS. What motherboard model do you have? Some after market heatsink and fans do not direct any airflow towards the voltage regulators. This can cause them to overheat. 

I never stated running his cpu temperatures lower would make his game any run any faster. He asked for input on future upgrades in regards to a more or a decent FPS.

 

My suggestion was towards temperature instead of FPS as stated in my first line of my last post. 65 Celsius may be okay for now on an air-cooler but it will grow more in a year or two. 

 

I am sorry you were confused by my last post.

[SUIIIIIIII]

@unclewebb

your thoughts on the z490 A pro? Maybe a suggested mother board you might know that cloud be an upgrade to this one with out blowing the bank account.

[SUIIIIIIII]

@silencer12 I was looking into a AIO cooler, but my pc case only allows a dual fan configuration I think. I have the nzxt 510 old version. I did want to run a tripple fan rad but i woul dhjave to upgrade the case. 

[unclewebb]

32 minutes ago, silencer12 said:

My suggestion was towards temperature instead of FPS

My apologies. I misread your advice. 

 

38 minutes ago, SUIIIIIIII said:

Now here are the logs

You still need to enable Nvidia GPU monitoring in the ThrottleStop Options window. Your CPU is running great. The log file will show if your GPU has any issues. 

 

34 minutes ago, SUIIIIIIII said:

your thoughts on the z490 A pro?

It seems capable of running your 11600K without any issues at more than its rated speed. A new board or a new AIO is not going to make it run any better. A more powerful GPU is going to give you a bigger increase in FPS compared to a new 11th Gen board or more powerful 11th Gen CPU.

 

If you do want to upgrade the CPU, I would sell your 11th Gen motherboard and CPU and I would upgrade to a 12th Gen system or wait a little bit for the13th Gen Intel CPUs to come out. Upgrading what you have now to an 11700K or 11900K is not going to give you a lot of extra FPS in most games. Not worth the cost. 

 

[silencer12]

What is your operating system?  

 

How long has this issue been going on?

 

Though you upgraded your ram,. Is Windows recognizing all the ram? Even if it was not, your games should run fine with 16. Part of me thinks it might be a memory issue (Not fully sure it is) while the other part thinks it might be a bios issue. 

 

It could be a program or software causing the problem as Unclewebb suggested.

 

 

[SUIIIIIIII]

@unclewebb

got it to show the gpu. here are the stats. it was more rought now. I was seeing like 30-40 fps. 

2022-06-18.txt

[SUIIIIIIII]

1 hour ago, silencer12 said:

What is your operating system?  

 

How long has this issue been going on?

 

Though you upgraded your ram,. Is Windows recognizing all the ram? Even if it was not, your games should run fine with 16. Part of me thinks it might be a memory issue (I think less that it is) while the other part thinks it might be a bios issue. 

 

It could be a program or software causing the problem as Unclewebb suggested.

 

 

It does recognize it i upgrade 2 more sticks to 32 gigs. Oporating system 64 bit windows 10 

[silencer12]

Ok good. I was hoping you were using Windows 10 because their are problems with Windows 11 and gaming.

 

 

(I am typing responses via a mobile phone while on break at work or home If you had already stated your windows OS through your log files.... then my apologies.)

[SUIIIIIIII]

@silencer12

all good man 

 

[silencer12]

 

 

I have uninstalled the windows 10 feature update (Update 21H2. It released in November 2021) about two months ago which gave me problems for gaming.

[unclewebb]

11 hours ago, SUIIIIIIII said:

it was more rough

The log file shows a GPU issue. Here is 30 seconds of data. 

 

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  BAT_mW  TEMP   NVIDIA GPU     VID   POWER
2022-06-18  00:20:50  49.00   50.3  100.0       0   77    1957    51   1.4272  118.8
2022-06-18  00:20:51  49.00   41.6  100.0       0   77    1957    51   1.4241  115.1
2022-06-18  00:20:52  49.00   57.7  100.0       0   77    1957    50   1.4138  123.3
2022-06-18  00:20:53  49.00   42.3  100.0       0   76    1957    50   1.4233  109.6
2022-06-18  00:20:54  49.00   40.7  100.0       0   78    1957    51   1.4135  118.6
2022-06-18  00:20:55  49.00   35.0  100.0       0   79    1957    51   1.4095  112.0
2022-06-18  00:20:56  49.00   34.2  100.0       0   80    1402    48   1.4049  112.7
2022-06-18  00:20:57  49.00   41.3  100.0       0   83    1402    48   1.4210  113.0
2022-06-18  00:20:58  49.00   39.5  100.0       0   77    1267    48   1.4094  108.9
2022-06-18  00:20:59  49.00   33.8  100.0       0   79    1267    48   1.4204  110.3
2022-06-18  00:21:00  49.00   58.6  100.0       0   80    1635    49   1.4158  121.3
2022-06-18  00:21:01  49.00   51.8  100.0       0   77    1635    49   1.4218  121.5
2022-06-18  00:21:02  48.97   34.6  100.0       0   78    1920    49   1.4087   95.3
2022-06-18  00:21:03  49.00   43.3  100.0       0   77    1920    49   1.4116  113.9
2022-06-18  00:21:04  49.00   47.1  100.0       0   79     795    47   1.4094  120.1
2022-06-18  00:21:05  48.99   32.5  100.0       0   79     795    47   1.4365  112.2
2022-06-18  00:21:06  48.92   31.8  100.0       0   76     487    47   1.4001   97.2
2022-06-18  00:21:07  48.02   28.5  100.0       0   70     487    47   1.4200   89.5
2022-06-18  00:21:08  48.94   54.5  100.0       0   82     427    46   1.4066  118.3
2022-06-18  00:21:09  49.00   70.3  100.0       0   81     427    46   1.4114  139.8
2022-06-18  00:21:10  49.00   43.2  100.0       0   82     367    46   1.4060  119.4
2022-06-18  00:21:11  49.00   59.6  100.0       0   82     367    46   1.4036  120.6
2022-06-18  00:21:12  48.99   39.8  100.0       0   76     382    46   1.4170  115.7
2022-06-18  00:21:13  48.97   46.5  100.0       0   77     382    46   1.3970  113.5
2022-06-18  00:21:14  49.00   60.2  100.0       0   85    1852    48   1.4191  141.9
2022-06-18  00:21:15  49.00   77.0  100.0       0   83    1852    48   1.4059  137.0
2022-06-18  00:21:16  49.00   50.6  100.0       0   81    1582    48   1.4010  133.5
2022-06-18  00:21:17  49.00   46.0  100.0       0   81    1582    48   1.4196  125.4
2022-06-18  00:21:18  49.00   44.8  100.0       0   79    1957    50   1.4135  116.3
2022-06-18  00:21:19  49.00   40.2  100.0       0   75    1957    50   1.4246  108.1
2022-06-18  00:21:20  49.00   36.7  100.0       0   78    1957    51   1.4050  107.6

 

The CPU multiplier is steady near 49.00 and the CPU temperature is acceptable. No CPU issues but look what happens to the GPU.

 

At the start of the log the GPU is running at 1957 MHz. That is great but for some reason the GPU drops to only 367 MHz. The FPS are going to go into the toilet when that happens. The GPU temperature is only at about 50°C when this starts so it is not a GPU thermal throttling issue. At the end of this section of the log, the GPU recovers back to 1957 MHz and everything is fine again. There is a good 10 second stretch where you are really going to notice a big drop in FPS. 

 

Now you know that this is a Nvidia GPU issue and not a CPU issue. Try logging the GPU with a program like GPU-Z. It might be able to report why the GPU is throttling so badly. Try using different driver versions. The latest driver from Nvidia is not always the best driver to be using. Do not overclock your GPU when trying to solve this problem. 

 

What brand of power supply do you have? In theory, 650 Watts should be adequate. Some generic low end power supplies have problems delivering their full rated power. At the moment it is more likely to be a GPU driver issue. 

[SUIIIIIIII]

@unclewebb Dowloading the GPU-z to see whats happening. I have a evga 650 watt 80 plus. Going to play a few games and try to put  it under load. I will give show you the logs in about 15 min