Which CPU is better?

[XxRescueRabbitxX]

Hi there!

 

So I’m currently wanting to do a build that will work with a 3060 Ti, 3070 or higher. And I’m not sure what mobo or cpu is best?

 

Currently I own a Gigabyte B450M DS3H and a Ryzen 5 1600. Now I could update the BIOS on my current mobo and put in a Ryzen 7 5800X eliminating the need to buy a different mobo. 
 

Or I could buy an updated mobo for around 100 with and an Intel Core i7 12700F (Which is around the same price as the Ryzen 7 5800X by itself). Now I can only really do stock coolers for awhile as after buying this I’d really be needing to save up properly for a 3060 Ti or higher. So it’d be the far future till I could really upgrade the cooler. 
 

Id be using this for gaming. Both old games and new, using blender sculpting models and just general browsing the web etc. 
 

Which do you think is better? I know the 12700F has better benchmarks but I know they need more beefy coolers to really get those benchmarks as the stock cooler isn’t very good. Whereas the stock cooler on the Ryzen 7 5800X seem to be better?

 

But I’m no expert so I’m hoping everyone could help! 

[Slottr]

Just stick with your current set up and upgrade. No reason to spend more on a new board 

[Guest]

Good luck cooling a 5800x, does not come with a cooler. Way hotter than a 1600, so plan for a cooler upgrade. 

 

Maybe a 5600X and you could use the current cooler you have now.

[XxRescueRabbitxX]

11 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Good luck cooling a 5800x, does not come with a cooler. Way hotter than a 1600, so plan for a cooler upgrade. 

 

Maybe a 5600X and you could use the current cooler you have now.

Well I have the stock Ryzen 5 1600 cooler right now which I could utilise. Kinda stupid they don’t include a stock cooler in though. 

[GuiltySpark_]

I do not suggest 5800x for that build, i'd be seriously worried about the VRMs on the motherboard. You definitely wont be getting the full potential out of that chip using it. Balance is important and that's a high end chip and a very budget motherboard.

5800x is also quite a beast to keep cool so you're looking at air coolers in the $65-$90 range or 280/360 AIO's. 

 

5600x makes far more sense for your situation. 

[XxRescueRabbitxX]

24 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Just stick with your current set up and upgrade. No reason to spend more on a new board 

So you think I should just update the BIOS and upgrade? I might have to use the stock cooler from my old Ryzen 5 1600 though. 

[XxRescueRabbitxX]

3 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

I do not suggest 5800x for that build, i'd be seriously worried about the VRMs on the motherboard. You definitely wont be getting the full potential out of that chip using it. Balance is important and that's a high end chip and a very budget motherboard.

5800x is also quite a beast to keep cool so you're looking at air coolers in the $65-$90 range or 280/360 AIO's. 

 

5600x makes far more sense for your situation. 

I would much prefer 5800x or higher honestly. You really think the board couldn’t get the full potential out of it? As long as I update the bios why couldn’t it use it to its full potential? 
 

I can afford around 50 for a cooler (I’m using £ gbp). 
 

I just want to try and maximise its usage honestly but I’m trying to keep my costs down as I do t really have a lot of money! 

[Slottr]

55 minutes ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

So you think I should just update the BIOS and upgrade? I might have to use the stock cooler from my old Ryzen 5 1600 though. 

It's not the best motherboard, but if you want to save money now and swap out that board later it's a better option

 

Without looking, I'd definitely think switching to intel would be fairly more expensive to do either way

[GuiltySpark_]

4 minutes ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

I would much prefer 5800x or higher honestly. You really think the board couldn’t get the full potential out of it? As long as I update the bios why couldn’t it use it to its full potential? 

The board has uncooled and lower end parts, specifically in the power delivery section as Its an entry level board designed to be used with low power CPU's. The 5800x will work, however you likely will not be able to see the maximum potential of PBO and the clockspeeds the CPU could reach given a board designed to support it. Seems a little like putting a V8 in a mini, except that actually sounds fun, this doesn't lol.

[Mister Woof]

The intel system would get your PCIE4, which might matter in the next generation of graphics cards depending on which one you get. 

 

It seems like high end cards will need it for maximum output, and lower end cards will because the trend is using limited implementations. e.g. PCIE4x4 or x8. Which on a B450 would only be PCIE3x4 or x8 and then performance tanks.

 

Personally, if it's just gaming, I'd grab a 5600x instead for $259 if you're in the USA

 

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666?Description=5600x&cm_re=5600x-_-19-113-666-_-Product&quicklink=true

 

If you get a 3060ti/3070, PCIE3 will be fine since they are x16 cards, and you'll get maximum performance of them out of a 5600x even on that board.

 

Gaming won't be really noticeably different on a 5600x or 5800x really, but will be WORLDS better than the 1600.

 

And the 5600x should be fine on the stock Wraith Spire.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

37 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

I do not suggest 5800x for that build, i'd be seriously worried about the VRMs on the motherboard. You definitely wont be getting the full potential out of that chip using it. Balance is important and that's a high end chip and a very budget motherboard.

5800x is also quite a beast to keep cool so you're looking at air coolers in the $65-$90 range or 280/360 AIO's. 

 

5600x makes far more sense for your situation. 

What he said. 5800x would make zero sense here. That would be like putting rocket fuel in a toyota camry. Either grab a 5600x (don't overpay for it though, do you live near a micro center?). Or platform upgrade to 12700

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

33 minutes ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

I would much prefer 5800x or higher honestly. You really think the board couldn’t get the full potential out of it? As long as I update the bios why couldn’t it use it to its full potential? 
 

I can afford around 50 for a cooler (I’m using £ gbp). 
 

I just want to try and maximise its usage honestly but I’m trying to keep my costs down as I do t really have a lot of money! 

It would work. But I bet PBO would hardly ever kick in. That board is EXTREMELY low end, designed for low level chips that don't need robust power delivery. That board would have a hard time keeping the 5800x stock, let alone boosted with PBO. If you are dead set on the 5800x, grab a MSI B550 tomahawk from amazon warehouse. You have nothing to lose as if it doesn't work, you can return/exchange it. The b550 tomahawk has robust power delivery and is a good value even at MSRP. I have seen it on amazon warehouse for as low as $90 as well. Something to keep in mind. That would be a better experience for sure. 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

43 minutes ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

So you think I should just update the BIOS and upgrade? I might have to use the stock cooler from my old Ryzen 5 1600 though. 

Do not use the stock cooler from the 1600 to cool a 5800x. It will throttle and likely cause your system to crash. It is not designed for that hot of a chip. 

[XxRescueRabbitxX]

30 minutes ago, Ryan829 said:

It would work. But I bet PBO would hardly ever kick in. That board is EXTREMELY low end, designed for low level chips that don't need robust power delivery. That board would have a hard time keeping the 5800x stock, let alone boosted with PBO. If you are dead set on the 5800x, grab a MSI B550 tomahawk from amazon warehouse. You have nothing to lose as if it doesn't work, you can return/exchange it. The b550 tomahawk has robust power delivery and is a good value even at MSRP. I have seen it on amazon warehouse for as low as $90 as well. Something to keep in mind. That would be a better experience for sure. 

So you recommend I use a new mobo for the 5800X? I know it’s low end .. like a year or two ago I paid what .. 40 pounds for it? Why would the Tomahawk not work with the Ryzen 7 5800x? 
 

ive never really used Intel before (unless you count the old Pentium chips from when I was a kid) and I just feel like it’d need a waaaay beefy cooler for the 12700F. 
 

Out of the choice of upgrading the mobo and getting a 5800X or upgrading and getting a 12700F which do you recommend? I’m not exactly a tech wizard so I struggle to really know the difference. 

[Mister Woof]

13 minutes ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

So you recommend I use a new mobo for the 5800X? I know it’s low end .. like a year or two ago I paid what .. 40 pounds for it? Why would the Tomahawk not work with the Ryzen 7 5800x? 
 

ive never really used Intel before (unless you count the old Pentium chips from when I was a kid) and I just feel like it’d need a waaaay beefy cooler for the 12700F. 
 

Out of the choice of upgrading the mobo and getting a 5800X or upgrading and getting a 12700F which do you recommend? I’m not exactly a tech wizard so I struggle to really know the difference. 

If you're gonna get a new motherboard just go with Intel

 

You're overthinking this.

 

You have a low end mobo, and you're budget limited because you say you don't want to buy a cooler. And yet you still want to get the 5800x over the 5600x without real reason.

 

Either just get a 5600x and drop it in cooler and all, or switch platforms to a 12700f/b660. But then you'd still probably want to get a better cooler anyway. Which brings you right back to overspending your budget, or getting a 12400 instead, which isn't really much better than the 5600x, which is the cheapest route.

 

5600x is the route to success here.

 

You've survived on the 1600 all this time, which is like Haswell-level performance. I think if you got a 5600x you'd be surprised at how much better it is and it will def. hold you over for years given your current system experience.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

34 minutes ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

So you recommend I use a new mobo for the 5800X? I know it’s low end .. like a year or two ago I paid what .. 40 pounds for it? Why would the Tomahawk not work with the Ryzen 7 5800x? 
 

ive never really used Intel before (unless you count the old Pentium chips from when I was a kid) and I just feel like it’d need a waaaay beefy cooler for the 12700F. 
 

Out of the choice of upgrading the mobo and getting a 5800X or upgrading and getting a 12700F which do you recommend? I’m not exactly a tech wizard so I struggle to really know the difference. 

The tomahawk WOULD work with the 5800x, that is why I recommended it..... I said your current mobo wouldn't work with the 5800x. But like what "Mr. Woof" said, just go with the intel if you are going to replace the motherboard as well.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

36 minutes ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

So you recommend I use a new mobo for the 5800X? I know it’s low end .. like a year or two ago I paid what .. 40 pounds for it? Why would the Tomahawk not work with the Ryzen 7 5800x? 
 

ive never really used Intel before (unless you count the old Pentium chips from when I was a kid) and I just feel like it’d need a waaaay beefy cooler for the 12700F. 
 

Out of the choice of upgrading the mobo and getting a 5800X or upgrading and getting a 12700F which do you recommend? I’m not exactly a tech wizard so I struggle to really know the difference. 

What I meant is if it it doesn't work as in it's DOA or broken. Amazon warehouse is Amazon returns. A lot of the time, they aren't even opened. b550 is compatible with 5800x out of the box, no bios update needed. 

[GuiltySpark_]

11 minutes ago, Ryan829 said:

 b550 is compatible with 5800x out of the box, no bios update needed. 

Sadly that isn't a guarantee, even at this point. I do and help with a lot of builds and I've had to flash NIB B550 boards with a compatible BIOS as recently as last week. Really just depends on how long one might have sat in a warehouse somewhere. 

 

B550 Tomahawk has flashback capability though so its a quick fix.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 minute ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Sadly that isn't a guarantee, even at this point. I do and help with a lot of builds and I've had to flash NIB B550 boards with a compatible BIOS as recently as last week. Really just depends on how long one might have sat in a warehouse somewhere. 

 

B550 Tomahawk has flashback capability though so its a quick fix.

Oh I didn't know that 

[XxRescueRabbitxX]

1 hour ago, Mister Woof said:

Personally, if it's just gaming, I'd grab a 5600x instead for $259 if you're in the USA

If you get a 3060ti/3070, PCIE3 will be fine since they are x16 cards, and you'll get maximum performance of them out of a 5600x even on that board.

Im in the UK myself. It'd be for new games and old games. Blender sculpting and just in general usage like web browsing. So you think if im not upgrading the board you recommend the 5600x but if i am upgrading going to intel? Which do you personally recommend? I mean ive been saving for like a year and i have £500 which was enough for a new mobo, CPU and PSU. everything else I can reuse. Then saving again for a 3060 Ti or higher. 

If I kept my B450 board with a 5600x would i be able to kinda maximize a 3060 Ti or 3070 whenever I could get one? (Im using an RX Vega 56 GPU rn) 

[GuiltySpark_]

1 minute ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

If I kept my B450 board with a 5600x would i be able to kinda maximize a 3060 Ti or 3070 whenever I could get one? (Im using an RX Vega 56 GPU rn) 

5600x is fast enough for any game at any resolution. 

[XxRescueRabbitxX]

3 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

5600x is fast enough for any game at any resolution. 

So you think the 5600x is honestly the best in your opinion compared to the 5800x? It is only a 70 pound difference.

[Mister Woof]

1 hour ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

Im in the UK myself. It'd be for new games and old games. Blender sculpting and just in general usage like web browsing. So you think if im not upgrading the board you recommend the 5600x but if i am upgrading going to intel? Which do you personally recommend? I mean ive been saving for like a year and i have £500 which was enough for a new mobo, CPU and PSU. everything else I can reuse. Then saving again for a 3060 Ti or higher. 

If I kept my B450 board with a 5600x would i be able to kinda maximize a 3060 Ti or 3070 whenever I could get one? (Im using an RX Vega 56 GPU rn) 

Dropping in the 5600x is easiest and most benefit vs. cost/effort. You also won't really have to worry about driver conflicts as it should just slot in, maybe a BIOS update/reset and that's it.

 

How much is a 5600x vs how much is a 12600k/z690 or 12700f/b660?

[GuiltySpark_]

59 minutes ago, XxRescueRabbitxX said:

So you think the 5600x is honestly the best in your opinion compared to the 5800x? It is only a 70 pound difference.

The problem isn't the difference between the two. What we've been trying to tell you is the problem revolves around the additional hardware you'd need to buy to both get your moneys worth out of the 5800x and keep it properly cool. 

 

Its a much higher end chip that requires much higher end parts. You cannot plop it into a budget build and expect it to work to its full potential. 

 

The gaming difference between 5600x and 5800x is minuscule. 

[XxRescueRabbitxX]

2 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Dropping in the 5600x is easiest and most benefit vs. cost/effort. You also won't really have to worry about driver conflicts as it should just slot in, maybe a BIOS update/reset and that's it.

 

How much is a 5600x vs how much is a 12600k/z690 or 12700f/b660?

A 5600x is around 220 pounds. An i5 12600k is around 265 pounds (however I don’t think my mobo is compatible with intel so I’d need to buy a new board). And an i7 12700F is around 305 pounds. (Which again I’d need a new board)