Is this the best budget non-GPU PC you can currently build with integrated graphics?

[dens22]

Looking for your opinions and suggestions...

 

Is this the best budget non-GPU PC you can currently build with integrated graphics?

 

Budget (including currency): 600-700 euros

Country: Latvia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Main programs: OBS, GTA V, CSGO, Minecraft, GIMP, Sony vegas, Car mechanic simulator 2018

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

CPU - 287eur (AMD Ryzen 7 5700G)

 

Memory - 65eur (ADATA 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe XPG SX8200 Pro) + free 2TB external WD 5400rpm HDD + free 500gb 2,5" 5400rpm WD HDD

 

RAM - 72eur (Crucial Ballistix Black 2x8GB DDR4 3200MHZ DIMM)

 

MOBO - 96eur (Asus Prime B550M-A)

 

PSU - 86eur (Corsair CP-9020103-EU, 120 mm, 650 W)

[YoungBlade]

Depending on the pricing in your area, the Ryzen 5 5600G might be a better deal. The graphics performance is similar, although the CPU is slower. If you're going to be streaming and/or video editing, then the 5700G could make sense.

 

I would not recommend the Asus Prime B550M-A. The VRMs on that board are low quality and not ideal for an 8 core part with integrated graphics. Are there other B550 boards available for a similar price?

[dens22]

11 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Depending on the pricing in your area, the Ryzen 5 5600G might be a better deal. The graphics performance is similar, although the CPU is slower. If you're going to be streaming and/or video editing, then the 5700G could make sense.

 

I would not recommend the Asus Prime B550M-A. The VRMs on that board are low quality and not ideal for an 8 core part with integrated graphics. Are there other B550 boards available for a similar price?

ok, thx for the cpu reccomendation. About the mobo, what about this one then?: https://www.1a.lv/p/matesplate-msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi/90jt

[YoungBlade]

5 minutes ago, dens22 said:

ok, thx for the cpu reccomendation. About the mobo, what about this one then?: https://www.1a.lv/p/matesplate-msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi/90jt

The VRMs on the B550M Pro VDH WiFi are better than the Prime B550M-A. It should be able to handle a 5700G without issues and even allow for a bit of overclocking if you want to try that.

[dens22]

17 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The VRMs on the B550M Pro VDH WiFi are better than the Prime B550M-A. It should be able to handle a 5700G without issues and even allow for a bit of overclocking if you want to try that.

ok, huge thanks for the support.

[dens22]

28 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

The VRMs on the B550M Pro VDH WiFi are better than the Prime B550M-A. It should be able to handle a 5700G without issues and even allow for a bit of overclocking if you want to try that.

another question: does the crucial ram have XMP?

[YoungBlade]

1 minute ago, dens22 said:

another question: does the crucial ram have XMP?

Yes, that's where the 3200 speed comes from. Without XMP, it would run at either 2133 or 2400. You'll have to enable the XMP profile in the BIOS when you build the computer to get the full speed.

[dens22]

2 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Yes, that's where the 3200 speed comes from. Without XMP, it would run at either 2133 or 2400. You'll have to enable the XMP profile in the BIOS when you build the computer to get the full speed.

thanks again!

[Chris Pratt]

I'd try to at least get 3600MHz CL16. It doesn't matter that much for the CPU performance of that chip, but it does for the iGPU, since it doesn't have dedicated graphics memory.

[dens22]

On 1/8/2022 at 4:35 PM, Chris Pratt said:

I'd try to at least get 3600MHz CL16. It doesn't matter that much for the CPU performance of that chip, but it does for the iGPU, since it doesn't have dedicated graphics memory.

Okay, so I changed my CPU to Ryzen 5 5600G and mobo to MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI. Am i going to fry the board, if i get the 3600MHz RAM?

[Chris Pratt]

22 minutes ago, dens22 said:

Okay, so I changed my CPU to Ryzen 5 5600G and mobo to MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI. Am i going to fry the board, if i get the 3600MHz RAM?

No. It doesn't work that way anyways. Worse case scenario it would just refuse to POST if the RAM was incompatible for any reason. RAM can't fry a motherboard.

 

[dens22]

21 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

No. It doesn't work that way anyways. Worse case scenario it would just refuse to POST if the RAM was incompatible for any reason. RAM can't fry a motherboard.

 

Ok, then, in the worst case scenario, at what speed will Crucial Ballistix DDR4 16 GB CL16 3600 MHz run, if i have to disable xmp on it, in case of instability? I could not find the advertised stock speed anywhere.

[Chris Pratt]

1 hour ago, dens22 said:

Ok, then, in the worst case scenario, at what speed will Crucial Ballistix DDR4 16 GB CL16 3600 MHz run, if i have to disable xmp on it, in case of instability? I could not find the advertised stock speed anywhere.

It's usually 2666MHz or 3200MHz without XMP nowadays. However, it will work. Both Zen 3 and B550 are more than capable of running RAM at faster clockspeeds than 3600MHz, even.

[BahnStormer]

Okay - I'll call it out - I'm looking for the reason, but I couldn't see any: why the need to use integrated graphics?

 

If you're focussing on using integrated graphics, then you're on the right track with those Ryzen 5000 G-series APU's - but as per the comments above, look for at least 3600Mhz CL16 memory if you can... RAM speed is not normally a major issue for a budget build, but if you're going to be gaming on the integrated graphics, slow memory will bite you twice (as it has a dual roles as the system RAM and graphics RAM). 

 

How much are you committed to doing this with no GPU? In terms of gaming, at the same budget, you would be a LOT better off with even an OLD Ryzen (1600/1660X/2600/2600X/2700X), 16Gb (or even 8Gb*?)  of budget RAM (Ballistix/LPX 3000Mhz / 3200Mhz, even CL18!) and put the savings into a ~€200 GTX1650.... so keep an eye on that as an option?

 

*8Gb RAM may sound a little light for a modern system but remember that the GTX1650 has 4Gb GDDR5 and if you're using integrated graphics, you'll be putting committing at LEAST 2Gb of that RAM towards the integrated graphics.

[dens22]

4 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

Okay - I'll call it out - I'm looking for the reason, but I couldn't see any: why the need to use integrated graphics?

 

If you're focussing on using integrated graphics, then you're on the right track with those Ryzen 5000 G-series APU's - but as per the comments above, look for at least 3600Mhz CL16 memory if you can... RAM speed is not normally a major issue for a budget build, but if you're going to be gaming on the integrated graphics, slow memory will bite you twice (as it has a dual roles as the system RAM and graphics RAM). 

 

How much are you committed to doing this with no GPU? In terms of gaming, at the same budget, you would be a LOT better off with even an OLD Ryzen (1600/1660X/2600/2600X/2700X), 16Gb (or even 8Gb*?)  of budget RAM (Ballistix/LPX 3000Mhz / 3200Mhz, even CL18!) and put the savings into a ~€200 GTX1650.... so keep an eye on that as an option?

 

*8Gb RAM may sound a little light for a modern system but remember that the GTX1650 has 4Gb GDDR5 and if you're using integrated graphics, you'll be putting committing at LEAST 2Gb of that RAM towards the integrated graphics.

I would like to get a GPU, but in my country, the prices are through the roof, and buying used is also not an option.

[dens22]

8 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

Okay - I'll call it out - I'm looking for the reason, but I couldn't see any: why the need to use integrated graphics?

 

If you're focussing on using integrated graphics, then you're on the right track with those Ryzen 5000 G-series APU's - but as per the comments above, look for at least 3600Mhz CL16 memory if you can... RAM speed is not normally a major issue for a budget build, but if you're going to be gaming on the integrated graphics, slow memory will bite you twice (as it has a dual roles as the system RAM and graphics RAM). 

 

How much are you committed to doing this with no GPU? In terms of gaming, at the same budget, you would be a LOT better off with even an OLD Ryzen (1600/1660X/2600/2600X/2700X), 16Gb (or even 8Gb*?)  of budget RAM (Ballistix/LPX 3000Mhz / 3200Mhz, even CL18!) and put the savings into a ~€200 GTX1650.... so keep an eye on that as an option?

 

*8Gb RAM may sound a little light for a modern system but remember that the GTX1650 has 4Gb GDDR5 and if you're using integrated graphics, you'll be putting committing at LEAST 2Gb of that RAM towards the integrated graphics.

For example, here are the GPU prices in this store: https://www.1a.lv/c/datoru-komponentes-tikla-produkti/komponentes/video-kartes/2vs

[BahnStormer]

2 minutes ago, dens22 said:

I would like to get a GPU, but in my country, the prices are through the roof, and buying used is also not an option.

Okay - fair enough, I was going to suggest a used GTX1050Ti, but if you've already ruled that out....

[dens22]

2 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

Okay - fair enough, I was going to suggest a used GTX1050Ti, but if you've already ruled that out....

in fb marketplace, gtx 1050ti goes for about 200 euros

[BahnStormer]

11 hours ago, dens22 said:

in fb marketplace, gtx 1050ti goes for about 200 euros

an entry level gaming card, but worth every last cent...

 

I'm not certain which Vega GPU the 5700G has as some sites say Vega8, others say Vega11 - but whichever it is... as much as it is the very best integrated graphics until Rembrandt comes out.... but it is (at best), the same performance as a GT1030 (or 20% slower if it is Vega8!).... a GT1050Ti will be at least 2x faster:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-vega-11.c3054  / https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-vega-8.c3042

 

Looking at your budget:

Quote

CPU - 287eur (AMD Ryzen 7 5700G)

Memory - 65eur (ADATA 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe XPG SX8200 Pro) + free 2TB external WD 5400rpm HDD + free 500gb 2,5" 5400rpm WD HDD

RAM - 72eur (Crucial Ballistix Black 2x8GB DDR4 3200MHZ DIMM)

MOBO - 96eur (Asus Prime B550M-A)

PSU - 86eur (Corsair CP-9020103-EU, 120 mm, 650 W)

 

Your choice of motherboard + RAM are good (good value now and safe bets for future upgrades - you might save €10 on a MSI Mortar B550, but stick to a B550 if you can!). 

 

You will get far better gaming performance by shaving a few € off things like:

€42 saved on the PSU (<€50 for a EVGA 600W non-modular) e.g. <€45 HERE or a 450W Coolermaster 80+ Bronze for the same. 

€100 saved on the CPU - a Ryzen 5 1600/1600X/2600/2600X or even a Ryzen 7 2700X should be €120-€180 (the 2700X are ~£135 on eBay UK - so I'm sure you can get one shipped for <€180)

 

This gets you most of the way to the €200 for a GTX1050Ti.

 

If you really need to save something, then you can probably save €25 on a WesternDigital Blue SN550 250Gb or a WD Green SN350. 250Gbis enough for the OS and the game loaders, then have your game libraries on another slower drive.

 

On that front: I assume the external drive is USB rather than eSATA? Either way, I would take the 2Tb drive OUT of the external caddy and install it in the case - native SATA will be way better than a caddy.... put the 2.5" drive in the caddy if you really need a caddy.