3d modelling setup - a small issue

[omunegru22]

Budget (including currency): 1800 euros

Country: Romania

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  3ds Max 2021 - 3d modelling and rendering with V-ray (on CPU)

Other details : I'm planning to render on cpu but here's that thing i'm not so sure about

 

So I want to build a 3d modelling and rendering rig and based on this article https://www.cgdirector.com/best-cpu-for-rendering/ , I decided I want the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X. The problem is I don't have a budget for a beefy video card considering I want a good motherboard, fast storage, and maybe 32/64 gb of RAM , and my question to you guys would be if I only purchase a mediocre video card maybe around 100-200 euros, would that affect the overall speed of the system ? Would a mediocre video card make 3dsMax run slow ? Because my former build had a 1070 strix, and while I was modelling the video card had no load or maybe very little. And based from the article above, it seems that the cpu is the most important.

 

Thanks you guys, sorry if I made a mistake it's my first time posting on this forum, but a long time fan of LMG. 

 

 

[maartendc]

1 hour ago, omunegru22 said:

Budget (including currency): 1800 euros

Country: Romania

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  3ds Max 2021 - 3d modelling and rendering with V-ray (on CPU)

Other details : I'm planning to render on cpu but here's that thing i'm not so sure about

 

So I want to build a 3d modelling and rendering rig and based on this article https://www.cgdirector.com/best-cpu-for-rendering/ , I decided I want the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X. The problem is I don't have a budget for a beefy video card considering I want a good motherboard, fast storage, and maybe 32/64 gb of RAM , and my question to you guys would be if I only purchase a mediocre video card maybe around 100-200 euros, would that affect the overall speed of the system ? Would a mediocre video card make 3dsMax run slow ? Because my former build had a 1070 strix, and while I was modelling the video card had no load or maybe very little. And based from the article above, it seems that the cpu is the most important.

 

Thanks you guys, sorry if I made a mistake it's my first time posting on this forum, but a long time fan of LMG. 

 

 

3DS Max would use the GPU to output to the monitor the viewport of your model. So yes, rotating and working on the model might slow down when using a low end graphics card.

 

Puget systems do some interesting benchmarks of these types of applications. Here is a benchmark from 2018 regarding GPU and CPU performance with 3DS Max: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AutoDesk-3ds-Max-2017-GeForce-GPU-Performance-816/

 

This is from a while ago, but it seems like GPU performance matters, to a certain point. A GTX 980 gets the same performance (FPS while viewing the model) as a GTX 1080, since you become CPU limited at some point. GTX 970 is significantly slower than both. It also depends on what types of models you work on (high res textures, or lots of polygons, etc...)

 

So the answer is not so clear cut.  I would say it does matter, but a midrange GPU is probably sufficient (GTX 3060 or similar) unless you use very complex models, very high res textures, etc. There is no point getting a very high end graphics card and pairing it with a midrange CPU, since the model viewing will be CPU limited at some point.

 

For your purpose, I would focus on a very good CPU for the rendering task, and get as good of a GPU as you can afford within reason. 100-200 EUR in the current market is probably NOT enough, since that will get you a very low end GPU.

 

In short:

- Get a very good CPU

- Get the best GPU you can afford, without going crazy. GTX 3070 is probably the max you should get.

- Perhaps save on RAM. 64 GB of ram sounds total overkill. 32GB should be more than enough. Check task manager for your actual RAM usage while working. (I do 3D CAD work myself, and never use more than 20GB or so)

- Fast storage will not yield you much, since the model will be loaded into RAM, and you should not be swapping to the hard drive. Save money and just get a decent midrange SSD like a Crucial P5 or so.

- "good motherboard" is fine, but don't overspend on a 300 EUR motherboard (meant for hardcore overclockers). A 150 EUR B550 motherboard should have all the features you need.

 

Good luck!

 

 

[omunegru22]

33 minutes ago, maartendc said:

3DS Max would use the GPU to output to the monitor the viewport of your model. So yes, rotating and working on the model might slow down when using a low end graphics card.

 

Puget systems do some interesting benchmarks of these types of applications. Here is a benchmark from 2018 regarding GPU and CPU performance with 3DS Max: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AutoDesk-3ds-Max-2017-GeForce-GPU-Performance-816/

 

This is from a while ago, but it seems like GPU performance matters, to a certain point. A GTX 980 gets the same performance (FPS while viewing the model) as a GTX 1080, since you become CPU limited at some point. GTX 970 is significantly slower than both. It also depends on what types of models you work on (high res textures, or lots of polygons, etc...)

 

So the answer is not so clear cut.  I would say it does matter, but a midrange GPU is probably sufficient (GTX 3060 or similar) unless you use very complex models, very high res textures, etc. There is no point getting a very high end graphics card and pairing it with a midrange CPU, since the model viewing will be CPU limited at some point.

 

For your purpose, I would focus on a very good CPU for the rendering task, and get as good of a GPU as you can afford within reason. 100-200 EUR in the current market is probably NOT enough, since that will get you a very low end GPU.

 

In short:

- Get a very good CPU

- Get the best GPU you can afford, without going crazy. GTX 3070 is probably the max you should get.

- Perhaps save on RAM. 64 GB of ram sounds total overkill. 32GB should be more than enough. Check task manager for your actual RAM usage while working. (I do 3D CAD work myself, and never use more than 20GB or so)

- Fast storage will not yield you much, since the model will be loaded into RAM, and you should not be swapping to the hard drive. Save money and just get a decent midrange SSD like a Crucial P5 or so.

- "good motherboard" is fine, but don't overspend on a 300 EUR motherboard (meant for hardcore overclockers). A 150 EUR B550 motherboard should have all the features you need.

 

Good luck!

 

 

Thanks man. I will do more research and come back with more details

[maartendc]

11 minutes ago, omunegru22 said:

Thanks man. I will do more research and come back with more details

Something like this should work, and should be well balanced:

 

The big question mark is the GPU. Here is Belgium you can get a 3060Ti for about 650 EUR, which should fit into your budget. That should be a decent GPU for your needs I think. Shop around a bit for GPUs. A 3060 (non Ti) or similar from last gen 2070 or 2080 (or even 2060) should be fine.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (2691.89RON @ PC Garage)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (475.31RON @ PC Garage)
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (533.32RON @ PC Garage)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (881.89RON @ PC Garage)
Storage: Crucial P2 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (637.86RON @ PC Garage)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  (3200.00RON)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500 ATX Mid Tower Case  (357.55RON @ PC Garage)
Power Supply: Super Flower Legion GX Pro 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (431.40RON @ PC Garage)
Total: 9209.22RON
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[omunegru22]

4 hours ago, maartendc said:

Something like this should work, and should be well balanced:

 

The big question mark is the GPU. Here is Belgium you can get a 3060Ti for about 650 EUR, which should fit into your budget. That should be a decent GPU for your needs I think. Shop around a bit for GPUs. A 3060 (non Ti) or similar from last gen 2070 or 2080 (or even 2060) should be fine.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (2691.89RON @ PC Garage)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (475.31RON @ PC Garage)
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (533.32RON @ PC Garage)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (881.89RON @ PC Garage)
Storage: Crucial P2 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (637.86RON @ PC Garage)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  (3200.00RON)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500 ATX Mid Tower Case  (357.55RON @ PC Garage)
Power Supply: Super Flower Legion GX Pro 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (431.40RON @ PC Garage)
Total: 9209.22RON
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-10-28 15:50 EEST+0300

Thanks a lot dude !!