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[Alder Lake]

I am planning on buying a PC in the relatively near future, and I'm fairly sure that RAM is going to be the bottleneck in the end, here's an idea of what it comes down to

 

3090/90ti (depending on when 3090ti releases)

12900k (boosted up with a cryo cooler, potentially up to 6Ghz on all performance cores, but unlikely to constantly run at that)

some DDR5 ram, most likely ~DDR5 8000 CL 30, but that really depends on how fast it developes

 

I plan on streaming a lot, and want to never drop below 60fps, no matter the situation, which my current PC is unable to do, so that's why I need an upgrade

 

just looking at it, my best guess would be that RAM would be the bottleneck, and that if I was to OC the RAM, that would increase performance, but there's two problems

1. Idk how important RAM oc/cooling is

2. Idk any RAM oc TEC/Cryo coolers, or if there are any at all

[Mister Woof]

For DDR4, I seem to recall a buildzoid video where he described some chips like Samsung are very sensitive to memory temps, whereas others like Micron don't seem to give a shit.

 

But for DDR5 i do not know. I believe there were some articles showing higher temperatures and the need for active cooling.

 

As for your requirements (60fps, streaming) i don't see any issues.

[Alder Lake]

38 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

For DDR4, I seem to recall a buildzoid video where he described some chips like Samsung are very sensitive to memory temps, whereas others like Micron don't seem to give a shit.

 

But for DDDR5 i do not know. I believe there were some articles showing higher temperatures and the need for active cooling.

 

As for your requirements (60fps, streaming) i don't see any issues.

I will most likely be using G.Skill judging by their DDR4 performance, I'll assume they will also do a good job with DDR5

 

it's DDR5, DDDR is for GPUs iirc, but anyway, I'll keep that in mind

an i7-8700+gtx 1080 is unable to run it, I'm fairly sure it's due to a RAM limitation (of speed, not capacity)

 

 

any ideas for a TEC/Cryo RAM cooler?

[Mister Woof]

8 minutes ago, yesyes said:

I will most likely be using G.Skill judging by their DDR4 performance, I'll assume they will also do a good job with DDR5

 

it's DDR5, DDDR is for GPUs iirc, but anyway, I'll keep that in mind

an i7-8700+gtx 1080 is unable to run it, I'm fairly sure it's due to a RAM limitation (of speed, not capacity)

 

 

any ideas for a TEC/Cryo RAM cooler?

oh that was a typo. lol

 

find it hard to believe an 8700k can't stream/game at 60fps 

 

are you using nvenc? is your memory dual channel? 

[Alder Lake]

8 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

oh that was a typo. lol

 

find it hard to believe an 8700k can't stream/game at 60fps 

 

are you using nvenc? is your memory dual channel? 

got it

 

I am using nvenc

 

there's 4 sticks and the motherboard has 4 slots

[Dedayog]

10 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

oh that was a typo. lol

 

find it hard to believe an 8700k can't stream/game at 60fps 

 

are you using nvenc? is your memory dual channel? 

This. Lots of people stream at 60fps on less.  

 

Either way, there are a lot of other combinations between an 8700K/1080 and a $5000+ 12900K/3090/Cryo Chilled rig for streaming.

 

 

[Alder Lake]

8 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

This. Lots of people stream at 60fps on less.  

 

Either way, there are a lot of other combinations between an 8700K/1080 and a $5000+ 12900K/3090/Cryo Chilled rig for streaming.

 

 

some Minecraft servers use lots of armor stands and other entities to have certain effects

 

entities = lag

 

 

I'd also like to have a medium range goal for myself

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, yesyes said:

some Minecraft servers use lots of armor stands and other entities to have certain effects

I'd probably ask in the minecraft subreddit about this

 

seems you could probably fix this with some reduction in chunk size or draw distance, but I'm not really into that game much.

[Alder Lake]

3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I'd probably ask in the minecraft subreddit about this

 

seems you could probably fix this with some reduction in chunk size or draw distance, but I'm not really into that game much.

it's nothing that can be solved by editing my Minecraft settings/downloading mods

 

it's now down to hardware

[Mister Woof]

10 minutes ago, yesyes said:

it's nothing that can be solved by editing my Minecraft settings/downloading mods

 

it's now down to hardware

Ok, then I would say we don't know enough yet about DDR5 to give you any information. DDR4 as stated can be sensitive depending on the chip manufacturer.

[YoungBlade]

9 minutes ago, yesyes said:

it's nothing that can be solved by editing my Minecraft settings/downloading mods

 

it's now down to hardware

I've found that the single most important setting for improving framerate in Minecraft is the render distance. If you bring it down, it will translate into noticeably better performance.

 

Also, unless you're using some crazy shaders or something, the game is 100% CPU bound and mostly bound by the single threaded performance. So if that's the main game you're aiming to stream, you don't need a GPU upgrade and there's no point in the 12900K. You might as well get the 12600K, as 6+4 cores is overkill already.

[Alder Lake]

3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Ok, then I would say we don't know enough yet about DDR5 to give you any information. DDR4 as stated can be sensitive depending on the chip manufacturer.

is G.Skill known to be sensitive?

1 minute ago, YoungBlade said:

I've found that the single most important setting for improving framerate in Minecraft is the render distance. If you bring it down, it will translate into noticeably better performance.

 

Also, unless you're using some crazy shaders or something, the game is 100% CPU bound and mostly bound by the single threaded performance. So if that's the main game you're aiming to stream, you don't need a GPU upgrade and there's no point in the 12900K. You might as well get the 12600K, as 6+4 cores is overkill already.

the render distance on the server (hypixel) is capped at 12

 

also 90% of the action is happening within 10 blocks, so lowering it wouldn't help much in this case

 

 

the PC I currently use is a prebuilt and is incredibly annoying to work on, buying a new PC will allow me to upgrade it easier in the future, while also being good enough to last me for a long time

[YoungBlade]

Just now, yesyes said:

is G.Skill known to be sensitive?

the render distance on the server (hypixel) is capped at 12

 

also 90% of the action is happening within 10 blocks, so lowering it wouldn't help much in this case

 

 

the PC I currently use is a prebuilt and is incredibly annoying to work on, buying a new PC will allow me to upgrade it easier in the future, while also being good enough to last me for a long time

I'm not saying upgrading is necessarily a bad idea, but I am saying that more cores and a better graphics card will probably do nothing for Minecraft.

 

I used to make let's plays for Minecraft. My computer had an i5 4440, 2x4GB DDR3-1600 CL11, and a GT 635 (so no NVENC for me) yet I got a consistent 60fps at all times even while recording. Granted, this was a single player game, but no matter what happened, it was a smooth 60fps.

 

Single core performance is what you want. If you can overclock your 8700K to 4.8GHz or more, that should help. You can also try tuning the memory you currently have to get a little more.

[Mister Woof]

13 minutes ago, yesyes said:

is G.Skill known to be sensitive?

the render distance on the server (hypixel) is capped at 12

 

also 90% of the action is happening within 10 blocks, so lowering it wouldn't help much in this case

 

 

the PC I currently use is a prebuilt and is incredibly annoying to work on, buying a new PC will allow me to upgrade it easier in the future, while also being good enough to last me for a long time

It depends on what kind of memory chips are on it. As far as the last part of your post, this might be the reason you're experiencing issues.

 

Could be loaded with bloat, could be set up improperly, could be throttling, who knows.

[Alder Lake]

33 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

I'm not saying upgrading is necessarily a bad idea, but I am saying that more cores and a better graphics card will probably do nothing for Minecraft.

 

I used to make let's plays for Minecraft. My computer had an i5 4440, 2x4GB DDR3-1600 CL11, and a GT 635 (so no NVENC for me) yet I got a consistent 60fps at all times even while recording. Granted, this was a single player game, but no matter what happened, it was a smooth 60fps.

 

Single core performance is what you want. If you can overclock your 8700K to 4.8GHz or more, that should help. You can also try tuning the memory you currently have to get a little more.

most likely not, I'm quite sure it's a RAM/singe thread performance limitation (mostly sure it's RAM)

 

in single player I could stream at constant 200FPS, but this isn't multiplayer

 

also it's an 8700, not an 8700k

29 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

It depends on what kind of memory chips are on it. As far as the last part of your post, this might be the reason you're experiencing issues.

 

Could be loaded with bloat, could be set up improperly, could be throttling, who knows.

it's 32gb 2333mhz RAM

[Mister Woof]

22 hours ago, yesyes said:

most likely not, I'm quite sure it's a RAM/singe thread performance limitation (mostly sure it's RAM)

 

in single player I could stream at constant 200FPS, but this isn't multiplayer

 

also it's an 8700, not an 8700k

it's 32gb 2333mhz RAM

 

[Beerzerker]

Normally if you have a little airflow to them it's nothing to worry about at all. 
You'd only need worry about it if volting them up for some really high(er) RAM speeds.
If you don't go above 1.35v's for DDR4 it's essentially a non-issue.

If you do have a concern, a small fan just for them gets it done 99% of the time and you can even find a RAM fan cooling kit and just hook it up, slap it on - Done. 
Most any will do since the physical size/dimensions are still the same as older sets would be, at least that's remained consistent over time for desktop sticks.

[Alder Lake]

15 hours ago, Beerzerker said:

Normally if you have a little airflow to them it's nothing to worry about at all. 
You'd only need worry about it if volting them up for some really high(er) RAM speeds.
If you don't go above 1.35v's for DDR4 it's essentially a non-issue.

If you do have a concern, a small fan just for them gets it done 99% of the time and you can even find a RAM fan cooling kit and just hook it up, slap it on - Done. 
Most any will do since the physical size/dimensions are still the same as older sets would be, at least that's remained consistent over time for desktop sticks.

apparently DDR5 shouldn't need overly exotic cooling

 

then again, they might get hot if I OC them

[Beerzerker]

1 hour ago, yesyes said:

apparently DDR5 shouldn't need overly exotic cooling

 

then again, they might get hot if I OC them

That's possible for any RAM period, OC'ing always means more volts and thats means  more heat so there you go.
With DDR5, since it's new there are ATM no real suggestions out there so if you do, you'll be one of the guys figuring it out first.
Personally I'd try it at stock voltage and see how far it goes and check temps with the sticks and then, going one voltage increment at a time, clock it up further to see how much further it can go, checking temps all the while. Once you see the sticks not wanting to go much higher without a real bump in voltage that will let you know they are reaching their limit, temps will also shows this with larger temps spikes per speed increase and voltage bump.

How far you push things is up to you so decide what the limit would be BEFORE doing and stick with it.