Ryzen IGU performance.

[small guy64]

I been looking to replace my aging x58 power hog of a computer with something more modern in low powered net top size pc. I don't game much anymore and mostly use the PC for web stuff and logmein for work. However I would like to play a few older games, Fallout NV, Skyrim and mount and blade warband. All with lots of mods at 1200p. Would the IGU of a Ryzen 5 PRO 3400GE, 5 PRO 4650GE or 7 PRO 4750GE be able to handle those games at 60fps? I'm willing to bet Fallout would be fine and so would Skyrim, but warband uses about 50-60% of my 780ti in my x58 system and that I am concerned about.

 

Thanks.

[MarvintheParrot]

18 minutes ago, small guy64 said:

I been looking to replace my aging x58 power hog of a computer with something more modern in low powered. I don't game much anymore and mostly use the PC for web stuff and logmein for work. However I would like to play a few older games, Fallout NV, Skyrim and mount and blade warband. All with lots of mods at 1200p. Would the IGU of a Ryzen 5 PRO 3400GE, 5 PRO 4750GE or 7 PRO 4750GE be able to handle those games at 60fps? I'm willing to bet Fallout would be fine and so would Skyrim, but warband uses about 50-60% of my 780ti in my x58 system and that I am concerned about.

 

Thanks.

1: Most of those listed are parts that consumers can't just buy, you would have to get them from a system integrator such as HP, Dell, ect.

 

2: Compared to intel iGpu's the Ryzen ones are great, but dont expect to be getting a ton of performance out of them. You will probably hit 60fps on low-medium settings in 1200p

 

For gaming make sure to get one with VEGA 11 iGPU graphics, that is the best one for gaming.

 

For a DIY PC, I would recommend the RYZEN 5 3400g, which is AMD's most powerful APU that consumers can buy. Its pretty good for an APU. If you want to get one from a system integrator, I would look around and try to find a VEGA 11 chip with the most cores and threads that fits in your price range.

[small guy64]

6 minutes ago, MarvintheParrot said:

1: Most of those listed are parts that consumers can't just buy, you would have to get them from a system integrator such as HP, Dell, ect.

That I know, I'm getting a little net top size PC that I can bolt under my desk.

 

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2: Compared to intel iGpu's the Ryzen ones are great, but dont expect to be getting a ton of performance out of them. You will probably hit 60fps on low-medium settings in 1200p

 

For gaming make sure to get one with VEGA 11 iGPU graphics, that is the best one for gaming.

 

For a DIY PC, I would recommend the RYZEN 5 3400g, which is AMD's most powerful APU that consumers can buy. Its pretty good for an APU. If you want to get one from a system integrator, I would look around and try to find a VEGA 11 chip with the most cores and threads that fits in your price range.

So the older 3400g is better then the newer 4750g and 4650g?

[curiousmind34]

Just now, MarvintheParrot said:

 

For a DIY PC, I would recommend the RYZEN 5 3400g, which is AMD's most powerful APU that consumers can buy. Its pretty good for an APU. If you want to get one from a system integrator, I would look around and try to find a VEGA 11 chip with the most cores and threads that fits in your price range.

Problem is, 3400g is going for above 200, usually around 250. I'm assuming you are not able to transfer your 780ti because you need it for something else. I would get either intel or a 3600 and a gt 710/used gpu at that point. 

If you can, just wait for the g series prices to fall

[small guy64]

11 minutes ago, curiousmind34 said:

Problem is, 3400g is going for above 200, usually around 250. I'm assuming you are not able to transfer your 780ti because you need it for something else. I would get either intel or a 3600 and a gt 710/used gpu at that point. 

If you can, just wait for the g series prices to fall

Not keeping my 780ti, its water cooled and would be bigger then the whole PC I want to get. And a 710? that is junk, is the ryzen IGU that bad?

[MarvintheParrot]

1 minute ago, small guy64 said:

That I know, I'm getting a little net top size PC that I can bolt under my desk.

 

So the older 3400g is better then the newer 4750g and 4650g?

No. The 3400g is a part that is meant for the DIY consumer market. The only way you can get the 4750g/4650g is to either get it off ebay or get it from Hp, Dell, or some other system integrator. The 4750g/4650g ARE better.

[MarvintheParrot]

2 minutes ago, curiousmind34 said:

Problem is, 3400g is going for above 200, usually around 250. I'm assuming you are not able to transfer your 780ti because you need it for something else. I would get either intel or a 3600 and a gt 710/used gpu at that point. 

If you can, just wait for the g series prices to fall

Lol I totally forgot about the shortage. Life was good.......

[small guy64]

2 minutes ago, MarvintheParrot said:

Lol I totally forgot about the shortage. Life was good.......

What?

[small guy64]

2 minutes ago, MarvintheParrot said:

No. The 3400g is a part that is meant for the DIY consumer market. The only way you can get the 4750g/4650g is to either get it off ebay or get it from Hp, Dell, or some other system integrator. The 4750g/4650g ARE better.

what about the GE models? like I sad I'm getting a little net top PC from someone like HP or Lenovo.

[curiousmind34]

Just now, small guy64 said:

Price is not a concerned and not keeping my 780ti, its water cooled and would be bigger then the whole PC I want to get. .

Just now, small guy64 said:

What?

 

He is just talking about how people used to have many good options.

If price isn't a concern, it's a bit more complicated. Ryzen g tops out at 4c/4t. So you have to decide between cpu performance and gpu performance. And the problem with intel 11th gen, is that the gpu is good, but the size of the cooler you need will likely be half the size of your pc.

[MarvintheParrot]

Just now, small guy64 said:

What?

Due to a terrible semi capacitor/chip shortage GPU (including iGPUs) are in a terrible shortage right now. A $175 MSRP card is going for around $300.

[small guy64]

3 minutes ago, curiousmind34 said:

He is just talking about how people used to have many good options.

If price isn't a concern, it's a bit more complicated. Ryzen g tops out at 4c/4t. So you have to decide between cpu performance and gpu performance. And the problem with intel 11th gen, is that the gpu is good, but the size of the cooler you need will likely be half the size of your pc.

Once again I'm getting a off  the shelf net top size PC. Not a custom PC.

Right now I'm more then happy with my x58 system with 2c/4t (quad with 2 cores shut off ) so core count is not a concern of mine. I rather focus on what ever has the better IGU.

[jaslion]

32 minutes ago, small guy64 said:

I been looking to replace my aging x58 power hog of a computer with something more modern in low powered net top size pc. I don't game much anymore and mostly use the PC for web stuff and logmein for work. However I would like to play a few older games, Fallout NV, Skyrim and mount and blade warband. All with lots of mods at 1200p. Would the IGU of a Ryzen 5 PRO 3400GE, 5 PRO 4650GE or 7 PRO 4750GE be able to handle those games at 60fps? I'm willing to bet Fallout would be fine and so would Skyrim, but warband uses about 50-60% of my 780ti in my x58 system and that I am concerned about.

 

Thanks.

Keep in mind that the vega 11 graphics in any of these is about 2.5 times worse than the 780ti. It is at best a 1080p low maybe 60fps gaming rig but in more demanding games it becomes a 900p or 720p system.

 

These are NOT gaming gpu's. Hell even skyrim with mods can easily max that poor gpu out at lower settings.

 

If I were you I'd just aim for a small itx system (like a proper small one) and bolt that to your desk. Plenty of proper small cases that don't suck out that can fit better components. Off the shelf there are also small options available.

[small guy64]

5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Keep in mind that the vega 11 graphics in any of these is about 2.5 times worse than the 780ti. It is at best a 1080p low maybe 60fps gaming rig but in more demanding games it becomes a 900p or 720p system.

 

These are NOT gaming gpu's. Hell even skyrim with mods can easily max that poor gpu out at lower settings.

 

If I were you I'd just aim for a small itx system (like a proper small one) and bolt that to your desk. Plenty of proper small cases that don't suck out that can fit better components.

Wold it pull less then a 100w, same or similar size of the nettop and less then 500$? I can get a full system with a 3400GE for about 250-300$ witch would pull around 50-60w.

[jaslion]

Just now, small guy64 said:

Wold it pull less then a 100w, same or similar size of the nettop and less then 500$?

Why the wattage limit? A 3400g system can pull close to that too the higher core ones can go over that. Either way for under 500$ it's almost impossible to even get a 3400g nettop let alone what is basically a gaming laptop without a screen.

[small guy64]

8 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Why the wattage limit? A 3400g system can pull close to that too the higher core ones can go over that. Either way for under 500$ it's almost impossible to even get a 3400g nettop let alone what is basically a gaming laptop without a screen.

Power bill and AC in the summer, every bit helps. I can easily get such a nettop for 250-300 used.

 

EDIT: looks like vega 8 can play stock Fallout NV rather well.

 

[jaslion]

5 minutes ago, small guy64 said:

Power bill and AC in the summer, every bit helps. I can easily get such a nettop for 250-300 used.

 

EDIT: looks like vega 8 can play stock Fallout NV rather well.

 

Yeah I never said it wouldn't. What it struggles at is skyrim with mods like hard.

[small guy64]

1 minute ago, jaslion said:

Yeah I never said it wouldn't. What it struggles at is skyrim with mods like hard.

I never sad you didn't, just pointing out that I should be good with that game. I play the old OG Skyrim BTW. would that make any difference?

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, small guy64 said:

I never sad you didn't, just pointing out that I should be good with that game. I play the old OG Skyrim BTW. would that make any difference?

Not really. Mods are kinda harder to run on the old version funny enough.

[small guy64]

6 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Not really. Mods are kinda harder to run on the old version funny enough.

Dose it mater if none of the mods are graphical mods? And what about stock? if I have to I'm willing to drop most or even all of the mods. And what about warband, I can't find much on it in regards to vega. Warband is the only game I'll play regularly the, I can lose skyrim or Fallout but I need to at least be able to play warband. I play it with the Gekokujo and Floris mod if that helps at all.

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, small guy64 said:

Dose it mater if none of the mods are graphical mods? And what about stock? if I have to I'm willing to drop most or even all of the mods If I have to. And what about warband, can't find much on it in regards to vega. Warband is the only game I'll play regularly  then once every few mouths. I can lose skyrim or Fallout but I need to at least be able to play warband. I play it with the Gekokujo and Floris mod if that helps at all.

Mount and blade warband runs near maxed out on a 750ti class gpu which is a little faster than the vega 11 graphics in the 3400g and up. Skyrim stock runs fine. Mods even if not graphical still make skyrim harder to run and it really depends on the developers on how much it impacts your system.

 

Just keep in mind that the current system WILL be a worse gaming computer by a lot but a nice office computer.

[small guy64]

13 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Mount and blade warband runs near maxed out on a 750ti class gpu which is a little faster than the vega 11 graphics in the 3400g and up. Skyrim stock runs fine. Mods even if not graphical still make skyrim harder to run and it really depends on the developers on how much it impacts your system.

 

Just keep in mind that the current system WILL be a worse gaming computer by a lot but a nice office computer.

Thanks for the info. Its more or less going to be a office pc that I can play warband on.

I'm moving and want to lower my power bill as much as I can and I don't have the room for 2 big PCs. My gaming is done on a retro gaming PC witch will never be able to play warband. I keep it under my desk. My networking equipment, power srtip and so on is all bolted under my desk witch leaves me with a smig over what I need to fit a nettop.

Would warband run any better in Linux on a ryzen system?

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, small guy64 said:

Thanks for the info. Its more or less going to be a office pc that I can play warband on.

I'm moving want to lower my power bill as much as I can and I don't have the room for 2 big PCs. My gaming is done on a retro gaming PC witch will never be able to play warband.  Would the game run any better in Linux on a ryzen system?

I doubt it as it's a windows game. I do hope you know that big baller gaming rigs of today consume about 40-60w on idle at most right? (of course without rgb stuff) an x58 system at idle consumes often over half of what a very capable gaming pc does at load. Stuff got a lot more efficient over the years. So don't worry about power too much my 2700 + vega 56 (which is watercooled) system pulls 32w on idle and about 32-55w when just doing office web stuff and these are NOT the most efficient components or combo of it :p.

[small guy64]

20 minutes ago, jaslion said:

I doubt it as it's a windows game. I do hope you know that big baller gaming rigs of today consume about 40-60w on idle at most right? (of course without rgb stuff) an x58 system at idle consumes often over half of what a very capable gaming pc does at load. Stuff got a lot more efficient over the years. So don't worry about power too much my 2700 + vega 56 (which is watercooled) system pulls 32w on idle and about 32-55w when just doing office web stuff and these are NOT the most efficient components or combo of it :p.

They made a Linux port of the game A ways back witch is why I asked.

Yeah I know modem parts draw far less and if I had the room I'd get a little ITX or mATX system.

 

Assuming I can work something out to get a little more room what would be a good GPU/CPU combo to play those games. I have a case in storage that is about the size of a net top but thicker, Its a LPX case so it would need lots of mods to work, something I can do. I can fit a ITX motherboard in it with a descent size GPU, but Id have to use a pico PSU  as there would be no room for even a SFX PSU.

I would need ram, motherboard, CPU, GPU and the pico PSU. The rest I have.

[jaslion]

3 hours ago, small guy64 said:

They made a Linux port of the game A ways back witch is why I asked.

Yeah I know modem parts draw far less and if I had the room I'd get a little ITX or mATX system.

 

Assuming I can work something out to get a little more room what would be a good GPU/CPU combo to play those games. I have a case in storage that is about the size of a net top but thicker, Its a LPX case so it would need lots of mods to work, something I can do. I can fit a ITX motherboard in it with a descent size GPU, but Id have to use a pico PSU  as there would be no room for even a SFX PSU.

I would need ram, motherboard, CPU, GPU and the pico PSU. The rest I have.

Fractal node 202 and call it quits I'd say.