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11 minutes ago, lithium_6 said:

It usually runs in the high 80°C under load

That temperature isn't to bad 90C+ is where I start to be concerned.

11 minutes ago, lithium_6 said:

probably an ML120L from Cooler Master

I wouldn't bother with a 120mm AIO. Many air coolers exist that will easily outperform it. Minimum I'd go for a radiator is 240mm.

12 minutes ago, lithium_6 said:

how bad is to place the radiator at the rear exhaust instead of top exhaust?

It would be very similar. Only thing different, is that you should be sure to mount the cooler with the tubes at the bottom, but as I said, a 120mm AIO is not worth it.

I don't have any experience with AIO coolers, a few days ago added a fan controller in a Ryzen 2600 build. Just by adding a fan controller (my gigabyte motherboard only had one extra header and I was suspecting that my Y splitter could not fully power all the fans (3)) I saw an overall drop of 10°C, now the CPU runs below 80C under load. This made consider an AIO for another build that I have.

 

This build is a Ryzen 7 1700 with the stock cooler. It usually runs in the high 80°C under load so I was thinking in adding an AIO, probably an ML120L from Cooler Master. The ambient temperature is around 26-33C in the summer. I already clean the stock cooler fins and replaced the thermal paste.

 

My question is over radiator placement, how bad is to place the radiator at the rear exhaust instead of top exhaust?

 

In this build I'm running two 120 mm intakes and one 120 mm exhaust. So if I place the AIO in the rear I would have 2 intakes, 1 top exhaust and 1 AIO rear exhaust. 

 

If I placed the AIO on top I would have 1 rear exhaust, 2 intakes and 1 AIO top exhaust.

 

I know that hot air raises, so this is about what is more efficient. Rear or top radiator mounting?

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11 minutes ago, lithium_6 said:

It usually runs in the high 80°C under load

That temperature isn't to bad 90C+ is where I start to be concerned.

11 minutes ago, lithium_6 said:

probably an ML120L from Cooler Master

I wouldn't bother with a 120mm AIO. Many air coolers exist that will easily outperform it. Minimum I'd go for a radiator is 240mm.

12 minutes ago, lithium_6 said:

how bad is to place the radiator at the rear exhaust instead of top exhaust?

It would be very similar. Only thing different, is that you should be sure to mount the cooler with the tubes at the bottom, but as I said, a 120mm AIO is not worth it.

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  • Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero
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20 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

That temperature isn't to bad 90C+ is where I start to be concerned.

I wouldn't bother with a 120mm AIO. Many air coolers exist that will easily outperform it. Minimum I'd go for a radiator is 240mm.

It would be very similar. Only thing different, is that you should be sure to mount the cooler with the tubes at the bottom, but as I said, a 120mm AIO is not worth it.

I was considering the 120 for the rear exhaust but if placing the radiator at the top of the case doesn't make a difference in efficiency (hot air raising) then I would consider a 240mm

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5 minutes ago, lithium_6 said:

I was considering the 120 for the rear exhaust but if placing the radiator at the top of the case doesn't make a difference in efficiency (hot air raising) then I would consider a 240mm

I don't know if anyone has tested this, but I would guess the difference would be within the margin of error. 1-2C at most. A larger radiator will make a much greater and measurable difference.

 

Go with a 240mm or larger if anything, but also consider an air cooler. There is something to be said for the decreased complexity and added longevity, and the performance is similar in many cases.

 

And this is from someone who has a full custom loop.

BabyBlu (Primary): 

  • CPU: Intel Core i9 9900K @ up to 5.3GHz, 5.0GHz all-core, delidded
  • Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4x8GB DDR4-3200 @ 4000MHz 16-18-18-34
  • GPU: MSI RTX 2080 Sea Hawk EK X, 2070MHz core, 8000MHz mem
  • Case: Phanteks Evolv X
  • Storage: XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB, 3x ADATASU800 1TB (RAID 0), Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB
  • PSU: Corsair HX1000i
  • Display: MSI MPG341CQR 34" 3440x1440 144Hz Freesync, Dell S2417DG 24" 2560x1440 165Hz Gsync
  • Cooling: Custom water loop (CPU & GPU), Radiators: 1x140mm(Back), 1x280mm(Top), 1x420mm(Front)
  • Keyboard: Corsair Strafe RGB (Cherry MX Brown)
  • Mouse: MasterMouse MM710
  • Headset: Corsair Void Pro RGB
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro

Roxanne (Wife Build):

  • CPU: Intel Core i7 4790K @ up to 5.0GHz, 4.8Ghz all-core, relidded w/ LM
  • Motherboard: Asus Z97A
  • RAM: G.Skill Sniper 4x8GB DDR3-2400 @ 10-12-12-24
  • GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 w/ LM
  • Case: Corsair Vengeance C70, w/ Custom Side-Panel Window
  • Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, Silicon Power A80 2TB NVME
  • PSU: Corsair AX760
  • Display: Samsung C27JG56 27" 2560x1440 144Hz Freesync
  • Cooling: Corsair H115i RGB
  • Keyboard: GMMK TKL(Kailh Box White)
  • Mouse: Glorious Model O-
  • Headset: SteelSeries Arctis 7
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro

BigBox (HTPC):

  • CPU: Ryzen 5800X3D
  • Motherboard: Gigabyte B550i Aorus Pro AX
  • RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4-3600 @ 3600MHz 14-14-14-28
  • GPU: MSI RTX 3080 Ventus 3X Plus OC, de-shrouded, LM TIM, replaced mem therm pads
  • Case: Fractal Design Node 202
  • Storage: SP A80 1TB, WD Black SN770 2TB
  • PSU: Corsair SF600 Gold w/ NF-A9x14
  • Display: Samsung QN90A 65" (QLED, 4K, 120Hz, HDR, VRR)
  • Cooling: Thermalright AXP-100 Copper w/ NF-A12x15
  • Keyboard/Mouse: Rii i4
  • Controllers: 4X Xbox One & 2X N64 (with USB)
  • Sound: Denon AVR S760H with 5.1.2 Atmos setup.
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro

Harmonic (NAS/Game/Plex/Other Server):

  • CPU: Intel Core i7 6700
  • Motherboard: ASRock FATAL1TY H270M
  • RAM: 64GB DDR4-2133
  • GPU: Intel HD Graphics 530
  • Case: Fractal Design Define 7
  • HDD: 3X Seagate Exos X16 14TB in RAID 5
  • SSD: Inland Premium 512GB NVME, Sabrent 1TB NVME
  • Optical: BDXL WH14NS40 flashed to WH16NS60
  • PSU: Corsair CX450
  • Display: None
  • Cooling: Noctua NH-U14S
  • Keyboard/Mouse: None
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro

NAS:

  • Synology DS216J
  • 2x8TB WD Red NAS HDDs in RAID 1. 8TB usable space
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