Upgrading my CPU and RAM

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

Currently I have an r5 1600 and 2133 ram overclocked to 2667. I am also thinking of upgrading to an r5 3600. Would it be fine to leave my ram alone? Would it still be a big upgrade? 

I also have an ms3 b350 pro vdh so waiting for zen 3 doesnt really matter for me. 

Also, do you need something better than a stock cooler to overclock a 3600 to like 4.1? 

[Jurrunio]

Just leave the RAM alone, there are other stuff that take priority for budget. 

 

For overclocking, better CPU cooler doesnt really help because Zen 2 CPU cores just arent really overclockable (i.e. you quickly hit the wall and that's it). It can help with the noise though which is a plus.

 

What you can do is to overclock the FCLK, i.e. the infinity fabric frequency. That should help you claw back some performance loss from lower memory frequency.

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Just leave the RAM alone, there are other stuff that take priority for budget. 

 

For overclocking, better CPU cooler doesnt really help because Zen 2 CPU cores just arent really overclockable (i.e. you quickly hit the wall and that's it). It can help with the noise though which is a plus.

 

What you can do is to overclock the FCLK, i.e. the infinity fabric frequency. That should help you claw back some performance loss from lower memory frequency.

 Is this new? I havent seen FCLK on my 1600

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Nickathom said:

 Is this new? I havent seen FCLK on my 1600

Itself is not new but it's not directly user controllable before Zen 2. It just runs half of memory data rate.

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

Itself is not new but it's not directly user controllable before Zen 2. It just runs half of memory data rate.

And a bios update + using a 3600 will allow me to control it on an msi b350 pro vdh?

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Nickathom said:

And a bios update + using a 3600 will allow me to control it on an msi b350 pro vdh?

It should, unless MSI locked it out which isnt impossible.

[INurHome]

Your kind of in a tight spot there, you could easily slip into a cpu/mobo/ram upgrade. LOL.

If the upgrade bug is really itching you look into a used 3600, lots of people are dumping them for the impending 3600XTs.

 

As for the memory, you could buy a kit outside the sweet spot and dial it in. Like this Patriot Viper Steel 2 x 8 GB DDR4-4133 CL19 Memory

or just buy a kit and use the docp settings to hit your targets. Depends on how much time and effort and money you want to put into it.

 

If you can get a R5 3600, and some RAM that can get to @3600Mhz with a CAS latency of CL 15 or 16, you'd be in business.

GL

Chris

 

 

 

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[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

1 minute ago, INurHome said:

Your kind of in a tight spot there, you could easily slip into a cpu/mobo/ram upgrade. LOL.

If the upgrade bug is really itching you look into a used 3600, lots of people are dumping them for the impending 3600XTs.

 

As for the memory, you could buy a kit outside the sweet spot and dial it in. Like this Patriot Viper Steel 2 x 8 GB DDR4-4133 CL19 Memory

or just buy a kit and use the docp settings to hit your targets. Depends on how much time and effort and money you want to put into it.

 

If you can get a R5 3600, and some RAM that can get to @3600Mhz with a CAS latency of CL 15 or 16, you'd be in business.

GL

Chris

 

 

 

How much improvement would I see with just upgrading the cpu?

[INurHome]

What are the last three games you played?

What would be the very first productivity task you would do with the R5 3600?

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[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

1 minute ago, INurHome said:

What are the last three games you played?

What would be the very first productivity task you would do with the R5 3600?

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Valorant, natural selection 2, ark survival evolved. All are very cpu bound

i dont really do any professional tasks, i was just told that the 3300x would be a waste as it isnt very future proof 

[INurHome]

'Future proof' is a misnomer in almost all tech conversations, I would take that advice lightly (IMO, haha).

At stock the 3300x hits higher boost clocks than the 3600, 4.3 vs 4.2, so it is faster, and performs better in gaming scenarios.

The 3300x does get its ass handed to it in many productivity tasks though but...

Here you can watch this for some more info: Beard'd Linus

 

The price of the 3300x is its greatest advantage, but stock is scarce. Waiting game with that one.

Cheers

[NicholasNicholasNicholas]

3 minutes ago, INurHome said:

'Future proof' is a misnomer in almost all tech conversations, I would take that advice lightly (IMO, haha).

At stock the 3300x hits higher boost clocks than the 3600, 4.3 vs 4.2, so it is faster, and performs better in gaming scenarios.

The 3300x does get its ass handed to it in many productivity tasks though but...

Here you can watch this for some more info: Beard'd Linus

 

The price of the 3300x is its greatest advantage, but stock is scarce. Waiting game with that one.

Cheers

Does ram speed impact 3300x performance at all? 

[INurHome]

16 hours ago, Nickathom said:

Does ram speed impact 3300x performance at all? 

Absolutely.

I'm no expert but I imagine that the scaling from 3900X down to 3300x is fairly consistent.

Here, watch this video. Watch this BEFORE buying an AMD CPU! - Every RAM Speed Tested

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