Problems with my RAM

[Fltmssr]

Hello. I am already sorry for my partly bad english.

 

In my Rig, there is a r7 2700, a rtx 2060s, x570 gaming edge wifi, 16 gigs of ram and a 48gb pagefile (for a nice round 64 gigs)

Running win 10 64bit 

 

Now the problem 

I really like to play games on it, like Rainbow 6, GTA5 and COD MW. These games are RAM intensive. In normal conditions, 16gb are enough for everything BUT for any reason the assured ram is in every situation 6gb more then the used (it has to be shared memory of the GPU) . Now like 4 gigs are used by win and background programs, 6 assured for the gpu and if I try to start a game, it won't start without a pagefile, it will crash the moment the assured memory reaches 16GB. 

 

Sorry for the German pictures, but I dont want to change language just for that. 

 

[burh4n]

30 minutes ago, Fltmssr said:

it won't start without a pagefile

So I expect someone more knowledgeable about memory utilization can/will correct me (or expand on this further), but if you disable the pagefile in Windows, you'll have a hard cap limitation for memory usage (based on the actual quantity of RAM installed). Additionally, if this is way off base from your question, I'm sorry but my response is based on my subjective interpretation of your post.

 

I don't know enough about the way OSes work, but my inference is that they'll use more memory than you actually have in attempt to make things quicker to access. The pagefile is how they do this. If you open a document or a program, then close it, it will get stored in memory for some amount of time then get pushed off to the pagefile if inactive. That way you can more quickly access the items used regularly. 

 

If you disable your pagefile, then the OS only has the 16GB of RAM, and if you launch a memory intensive game, it doesn't have anywhere to store the background objects (they'd probably normally go into the pagefile), since you're probably not using much else if you're gaming.

 

You have several storage devices from your screenshot, so is there a reason that you are disabling the pagefile? If it's to retain that capacity on your C:\ drive, you should probably look to upgrade that drive or move data off that drive so you may keep the pagefile active. 

[Nena Trinity]

That is just you having to high settings if the card tosses VRAM data to RAM you need to lower resolution or texture quality... If that is not the problem there may be a memory leak and I would vote in favor of using memtest86 and let it test the RAM for a few hours! O3O

[Fltmssr]

On 5/23/2020 at 4:01 PM, Nena360 said:

That is just you having to high settings if the card tosses VRAM data to RAM you need to lower resolution or texture quality... If that is not the problem there may be a memory leak and I would vote in favor of using memtest86 and let it test the RAM for a few hours! O3O

Sorry for my late response.

I don't think that the card tosses data into the ram. Just like 6,37gb outa 8gb are used. I already tested my ram for a whole night (like 8-14 hours). No problems found. The RAM is hardly 50% full when started. The problem is the allocation of the RAM by the Video Card

[Nena Trinity]

22 minutes ago, Fltmssr said:

Sorry for my late response.

I don't think that the card tosses data into the ram. Just like 6,37gb outa 8gb are used. I already tested my ram for a whole night (like 8-14 hours). No problems found. The RAM is hardly 50% full when started. The problem is the allocation of the RAM by the Video Card

Honestly if Windows 10 try a full system restore or refresh Windows what ever it was called if you could do that... Or if that is not a option re-install drivers with the software known as DDU first and if that fail honeslty full reset may be the way to go

[Fltmssr]

On 5/23/2020 at 3:41 PM, burh4n said:

So I expect someone more knowledgeable about memory utilization can/will correct me (or expand on this further), but if you disable the pagefile in Windows, you'll have a hard cap limitation for memory usage (based on the actual quantity of RAM installed). Additionally, if this is way off base from your question, I'm sorry but my response is based on my subjective interpretation of your post.

 

I don't know enough about the way OSes work, but my inference is that they'll use more memory than you actually have in attempt to make things quicker to access. The pagefile is how they do this. If you open a document or a program, then close it, it will get stored in memory for some amount of time then get pushed off to the pagefile if inactive. That way you can more quickly access the items used regularly. 

 

If you disable your pagefile, then the OS only has the 16GB of RAM, and if you launch a memory intensive game, it doesn't have anywhere to store the background objects (they'd probably normally go into the pagefile), since you're probably not using much else if you're gaming.

 

You have several storage devices from your screenshot, so is there a reason that you are disabling the pagefile? If it's to retain that capacity on your C:\ drive, you should probably look to upgrade that drive or move data off that drive so you may keep the pagefile active. 

If I disable the pagefile i only have 16 gigs. Right. The games aren't even that memory intensive. When I have everything opened I need, are there still more then 50 percent memory free. But the problem is that the GPU takes 8166MB of the RAM for itself. I hadn't have that problem with my older rig. (R7 1700, gtx 1050, 8 gigs ram). It has to be the shared memory of the GPU.

 

[burh4n]

15 hours ago, Fltmssr said:

If I disable the pagefile i only have 16 gigs. Right.

But why disable the pagefile? If you don't have issues with the pagefile on, then you should probably just leave it enabled unless you have a more important reason to disable it.

15 hours ago, Fltmssr said:

When I have everything opened I need, are there still more then 50 percent memory free.

On the performance tab of Task manager, click on the GPU performance, how much memory does it show being used? (not my photo since I'm on mobile)

[Fltmssr]

On 5/29/2020 at 1:16 PM, burh4n said:

But why disable the pagefile? If you don't have issues with the pagefile on, then you should probably just leave it enabled unless you have a more important reason to disable it.

On the performance tab of Task manager, click on the GPU performance, how much memory does it show being used? (not my photo since I'm on mobile)

Well my 8GB vram are 5,9 to 6,3 GB used and the lower marked one is 0,2gb 

[Fltmssr]

"But why disable pagefile?" 

Why enable I ask you. A normal windows 10 pc with 16 gigs of ram has to work properly without one. 

[Tan3l6]

Just now, Fltmssr said:

"But why disable pagefile?" 

Why enable I ask you. A normal windows 10 pc with 16 gigs of ram has to work properly without one. 

Yup, page file is a legacy feature after about 16GB RAM.

[Fltmssr]

I really think that it is like I said above. A problem with shared memory of my gpu. In my previous pc with 8gb ram and a 1050 with only 2gb vram I didn't have any problems. I'll try swapping the rtx2060 with the older 1050. And if the problem still is the same. (I am very sure that it won't be) 

[Fltmssr]

4 minutes ago, Fltmssr said:

I really think that it is like I said above. A problem with shared memory of my gpu. In my previous pc with 8gb ram and a 1050 with only 2gb vram I didn't have any problems. I'll try swapping the rtx2060 with the older 1050. And if the problem still is the same. (I am very sure that it won't be) 

In idle it looks much better now. Now the assured memory isn't the double of the used anymore. And in the benchmark of Rainbow6 the assured memory is just around 11 gigs