Understanding bottleneck

[DestinyGamer]

Im new to PC gaming and currently have a ryzen 5 1400 cpu and a rx 470 4gb as my GPU. It was a good starter build but im looking to upgrade my gpu to get some better graphics and frames because ive noticed my PC struggles to run a lot of games; some cant be played at all. I have saved up enough money to afford the GPU i want the RX 5700xt it meets all my needs at a good price. I can easily afford the gpu and was really excited to buy it but then a friend made me aware of something called bottlenecking. If i buy this gpu will i be forced to buy a new a cpu to use it to its fullest power and if i continue using my current cpu with this graphics card will it 1.Damage anything in my pc or 2. hinder performance so badly it wasnt worth buying it. Please send some cheap compatible cpu options i could potentially upgrade too or just let me know if im making a big deal over this issue.

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, DestinyGamer said:

will it 1.Damage anything in my pc or 2. hinder performance so badly it wasnt worth buying it.

1) no

2) depends entirely on the game and performance target. 1080p, 1440p? 144fps? Do you have fast ram, dual channel?

[Guest]

1. It's going to be fine as long as you have a decent PSU 

2. There may be some bottlenecking but it won't be that severe to force you to upgrade instantly, but yes, to utilize that GPU to it's fullest potential a better CPU down the line is a good investment.

[DestinyGamer]

2 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

1) no

2) depends entirely on the game and performance target. 1080p, 1440p? 144fps? Do you have fast ram, dual channel?

right now i have 2 sticks of DDR4 3000 ram, my monitor is only 1080p 60fps but i plan on buying a new monitor with the money Ill get from selling my old console stuff and current gpu. Down the line i wanna get a 1440p 144fps monitor and wanna be able to play at a good fps. My main games I play at the moment are destiny 2 but I want to be able to play upcoming games like cyberpunk at good levels. Thank you for the feedback

 

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, DestinyGamer said:

Down the line i wanna get a 1440p 144fps monitor and wanna be able to play at a good fps

then down the line you should consider a Ryzen 5 3600, but for driving only 1080p at 60fps, the Ryzen 5 1400 won't be a severe hindrance. Of course, the 5700 XT is really overkill for this performance level as well.

[DestinyGamer]

47 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

then down the line you should consider a Ryzen 5 3600, but for driving only 1080p at 60fps, the Ryzen 5 1400 won't be a severe hindrance. Of course, the 5700 XT is really overkill for this performance level as well.

doing some more research and after consulting friends and looking at reviews it appears that Nvidia just provides a superior product. I think instead of the rx5700xt I will purchase the 2060super. I was considering going bigger to a 2070s but my psu is only 500 watt and the money i save on the 2060 vs the 2070 can go to upgrading my cpu. Will my Ryzen cpu not work with the Nvidia card and does your previous bottleneck advice apply to this card the same?

[Fasauceome]

17 minutes ago, DestinyGamer said:

doing some more research and after consulting friends and looking at reviews it appears that Nvidia just provides a superior product. I think instead of the rx5700xt I will purchase the 2060super. I was considering going bigger to a 2070s but my psu is only 500 watt and the money i save on the 2060 vs the 2070 can go to upgrading my cpu. Will my Ryzen cpu not work with the Nvidia card and does your previous bottleneck advice apply to this card the same?

Superior? Well, the drivers work better most of the time, but the 5700 XT is superior in raw performance, closer to the 2070 super. 500 watts is plenty for your setup (see my signature for reference) but if it is a low quality power supply, I cannot even recommend the 2060 super. You didn't mention the model so I don't know for sure. Also there are some 2070 models still left at around $400 which is barely more expensive than your usual 2060 super, you may want to consider those instead.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HfMwrH/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-8-gb-windforce-2x-video-card-gv-n2070wf2-8gd

Ryzen is fully compatible with Nvidia GPUs. Bottleneck scenario is relative only to performance, and not brand so it's basically the same. Although, the 2060 super or 2070 will struggle a bit for 1440p 144Hz, you'll have to turn most settings to medium and some to low.

[DestinyGamer]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Superior? Well, the drivers work better most of the time, but the 5700 XT is superior in raw performance, closer to the 2070 super. 500 watts is plenty for your setup (see my signature for reference) but if it is a low quality power supply, I cannot even recommend the 2060 super. You didn't mention the model so I don't know for sure. Also there are some 2070 models still left at around $400 which is barely more expensive than your usual 2060 super, you may want to consider those instead.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HfMwrH/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2070-8-gb-windforce-2x-video-card-gv-n2070wf2-8gd

Ryzen is fully compatible with Nvidia GPUs. Bottleneck scenario is relative only to performance, and not brand so it's basically the same. Although, the 2060 super or 2070 will struggle a bit for 1440p 144Hz, you'll have to turn most settings to medium and some to low.

This is an interesting development I will most certainly do more research. My power supply is a EVGA 500 Watt I was under the impression that they are the best of the best in terms of PSU. My friends are all sharing their AMD card horror stories and it has scared me off from the 5700xt because Im a student and money is tight especially with the ongoing events in the world. If I am able to sell my Ryzen 5 1400 and rx 470 4gb plus some other electronics i plan on buying a ryzen 7 3700 thus eliminating the bottleneck issue.

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, DestinyGamer said:

My power supply is a EVGA 500 Watt I was under the impression that they are the best of the best in terms of PSU.

EVGA makes good power supplies, and they make very bad power supplies as well. Please share the specific model, I hope it's not one of the 80+ whites they sell.

 

2 minutes ago, DestinyGamer said:

My friends are all sharing their AMD card horror stories and it has scared me off from the 5700xt because Im a student and money is tight especially with the ongoing events in the world.

then in your situation that relatively cheap RTX 2070 that I shared earlier would probably be your best bet. Only about $400, good value for that card.

 

2 minutes ago, DestinyGamer said:

If I am able to sell my Ryzen 5 1400 and rx 470 4gb plus some other electronics i plan on buying a ryzen 7 3700 thus eliminating the bottleneck issue.

For a gaming focused PC, a Ryzen 5 3600 would deliver the same experience, so I recommend that you save money there.

[DestinyGamer]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

EVGA makes good power supplies, and they make very bad power supplies as well. Please share the specific model, I hope it's not one of the 80+ whites they sell.

 

then in your situation that relatively cheap RTX 2070 that I shared earlier would probably be your best bet. Only about $400, good value for that card.

 

For a gaming focused PC, a Ryzen 5 3600 would deliver the same experience, so I recommend that you save money there.

I have very troubling news looking at my EVGA PSU box it does say "500 watt 80 plus certified power supply" 

 

another predicament of mine is that I received a 100 dollar gift card for amazon I must use so the GPU will have to come from there I dont see the 400 dollar 2070 on that site

 

Thank you for the advice I need to save money where I can especially if my PSU is a big issue 

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, DestinyGamer said:

I have very troubling news looking at my EVGA PSU box it does say "500 watt 80 plus certified power supply" 

 

a mere 80+, EVGA doesn't really make any units in that range that I would ever recommend with the hardware you want to use. Perhaps saving a little money with a cheap RTX 2060 super would allow you to get a quality budget power supply, you should refer to our PSU tier list. The Corsair CX450 is an affordable option in the U.S., and if you need 2 PCIe connectors instead of just one, the CX550 is a reasonable step up.

 

Unfortunately, Amazon pricing compared to newegg is quite bad for budget cards in this range.

[DestinyGamer]

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

a mere 80+, EVGA doesn't really make any units in that range that I would ever recommend with the hardware you want to use. Perhaps saving a little money with a cheap RTX 2060 super would allow you to get a quality budget power supply, you should refer to our PSU tier list. The Corsair CX450 is an affordable option in the U.S., and if you need 2 PCIe connectors instead of just one, the CX550 is a reasonable step up.

 

Unfortunately, Amazon pricing compared to newegg is quite bad for budget cards in this range.

This news is quite distressing is this PSU that bad it said the 2060 only needed 500W I dont understand the issue is it like a fire hazard?

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, DestinyGamer said:

This news is quite distressing is this PSU that bad it said the 2060 only needed 500W I dont understand the issue is it like a fire hazard?

A power supply's quality is not only determined by its output rating or efficiency. A literal fire hazard, probably not, but failures in other fashions can cause damage to your system components, and very cheap power supplies are easy to overwhelm.

[DestinyGamer]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

A power supply's quality is not only determined by its output rating or efficiency. A literal fire hazard, probably not, but failures in other fashions can cause damage to your system components, and very cheap power supplies are easy to overwhelm.

oh so this cx550 is pretty cheap thats not a huge purchase thank you