Help with 2 builds

[twentyfourismax]

I need your help for 2 builds, budgets are: 1000$ for one PC and 1500$ for the second PC. Both PCs will be used for 3d rendering / other 3d work and gaming. 

If the budget was 2000$ I'd go with the Ryzen 3900x and 2080 Super. But at those budgets there are too many options and I'm not sure what should I build. 

*By the way, would that matter if the PC was only for gaming or only for 3d stuff? Or with todays tech it wouldn't change the build (at those budgets)

 

Thanks

[brob]

What 3D and rendering software is being used?

 

Why the differing budgets? Are the work loads different?

[twentyfourismax]

Thank you! Because one build is for helping a friend. Softwares used: 3ds Max, Revvit, Autocad. pretty much the same work load, but different budget

[twentyfourismax]

Sorry, I just realized I accidentally clicked "Mark as Solved".. I guess it prevented you from replying?

[weeblord]

List for 1st build:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$189.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ B&H
Memory	GeIL SUPER LUCE RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$58.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Silicon Power A55 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$87.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Devil Video Card	$433.98 @ Newegg
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 55 ATX Mid Tower Case	$45.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$84.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1036.91
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1016.91
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-23 20:47 EST-0500

Second one coming soon, let me know if there is anything you want to change about it.

[twentyfourismax]

Thanks! Yes there are a few things I want to change:

-I need WiFi connection, so perhaps a motherboard with WiFi, or you prefer I buy a WiFi card for that?

-About the storage: I'd like it to be more reputable, like the 860 Evo

-I think that for 3d stuff I'll need 32GB of memory (2x16GB set). And if the price difference is very little, I'd prefer a known brand, maybe HyperX or Vengeance?

-About the 5700XT, I heard that the Nvidia equivalents are better nowadays or that's not true? (I want best compatibility with my softwares)

[boggy77]

For 1000:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$189.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	$149.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$119.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB OC Video Card	$239.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case	Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case	$55.88 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$77.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan	ARCTIC P12 PWM PST(5-pack) 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans	$27.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1016.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$996.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-24 09:04 EST-0500

 

[boggy77]

For 1500:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$309.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$192.98 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$119.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$499.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case	$55.88 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$77.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan	ARCTIC P12 PWM PST(5-pack) 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans	$27.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1459.80
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$1419.80
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-24 09:06 EST-0500

 

[twentyfourismax]

Thank you! It's also nice that those beasts wattage is only around 400W! What would you consider a good margin between the wattage seen on PcPartPicker to the PSU wattage? +100W? +150W?

[boggy77]

24 minutes ago, twentyfourismax said:

Thank you! It's also nice that those beasts wattage is only around 400W! What would you consider a good margin between the wattage seen on PcPartPicker to the PSU wattage? +100W? +150W?

Yes, something like that. Psu's are most efficient at 50% load. So if the max wattage is 400, the more common use case will be around 250-300. So going for a 550w psu will keep your system efficient and easy to upgrade. Also, I don't think there are any gold rated units below 550w

[twentyfourismax]

7 hours ago, boggy77 said:

For 1000:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$189.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	$149.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$119.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB OC Video Card	$239.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case	Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case	$55.88 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$77.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan	ARCTIC P12 PWM PST(5-pack) 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans	$27.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1016.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$996.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-24 09:04 EST-0500

 

Forgot to ask you: I know I said that AMD have drivers issues and Nvidia equivalents might be better, but isn't the 1660 Super major downgrade from 5700XT?

[boggy77]

34 minutes ago, twentyfourismax said:

Forgot to ask you: I know I said that AMD have drivers issues and Nvidia equivalents might be better, but isn't the 1660 Super major downgrade from 5700XT?

Yes but it's also at least $100 cheaper

[twentyfourismax]

True, but if it's such a significant improvement, the 100$ might be in the threshold. I think it might be worth it

[boggy77]

1 minute ago, twentyfourismax said:

True, but if it's such a significant improvement, the 100$ might be in the threshold. I think it might be worth it

Go for rx5700 instead. It's pretty close to the xt anyway, but you can flash the xt bios on it and then the difference is pretty much gone.

[twentyfourismax]

Just now, boggy77 said:

Go for rx5700 instead. It's pretty close to the xt anyway, but you can flash the xt bios on it and then the difference is pretty much gone.

Really? How come? Did they use the same chip but locked (?) some of its processing cores from some reason?

[boggy77]

4 minutes ago, twentyfourismax said:

Really? How come? Did they use the same chip but locked (?) some of its processing cores from some reason?

Exactly

4 minutes ago, twentyfourismax said:

 

 

[twentyfourismax]

Quite a stupid move by AMD who gave us those awesome CPUs in the past 1.5 years! But whatever :} Is flashing BIOS the same for all brands of 5700 (because it's the same chip)? Or for every brand it's different because the board is different?

[boggy77]

5 minutes ago, twentyfourismax said:

Quite a stupid move by AMD who gave us those awesome CPUs in the past 1.5 years! But whatever :} Is flashing BIOS the same for all brands of 5700 (because it's the same chip)? Or for every brand it's different because the board is different?

No idea. Look for a guide online or on this forum. 

The difference between brand and models is cooling. If you want to flash a better bios and overclock it, you'll need some decent cooling on that board. There is a gpu tier list on this forum that can help with brand and model choices.

[brob]

21 hours ago, twentyfourismax said:

Quite a stupid move by AMD who gave us those awesome CPUs in the past 1.5 years! But whatever :} Is flashing BIOS the same for all brands of 5700 (because it's the same chip)? Or for every brand it's different because the board is different?

Same model gpu can have slightly different BIOS.

 

I've never considered reflashing gpu BIOS a very good idea. Manufacturers bin the actual gpu chip and there is a good chance that an RX5700 chip will not be able to operate as an RX5700XT due to flaws in the circuitry.