Here we go again...

[ShafeDogg]

1. Budget & Location

$2,000-$2,500, USA.

 

2. Aim

Heavy gaming (all types) and multitasking. Possibly other things like game design, coding, writing, music creation, and maybe editing. I know I at least want 32GB of RAM as I have run out of 16GB on many occasions. Whatever speed and latency is best for the CPU chosen. For the CPU, I was thinking the 3700X, 3900X, or the 9900K (maybe even the new 9900KS, but I'm unsure how well it's doing as it just came out today). For the GPU, I was thinking at least a 2070 or 2080 Super or 5700 XT (I heard the "Red Devil" is amazing). However, I don't mind if the card is Nvidia or AMD, as long as it performs great and has a good cooler. The page I linked below has been infinitely helpful with this. I'd ideally like a 1TB SSD and 4TB HDD. If you guys don't think I should go with NVMe, a regular SSD is fine. Also, I would like to use a very good CPU cooler and motherboard (also linked below), but I do not plan on doing any overclocking. I just want to max out Turbo/Precision Boost. I want to use at least an 80+ Gold PSU. Lastly, I'd also really appreciate some recommendations on some good case fans!

 

3. Monitors

One 1080P 144Hz. Already purchased.

 

4. Peripherals

No. Windows already purchased.

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

Current system is about 6 years old and it's time for an upgrade.

 

6. Extra Information

I tried purchasing a system from NZXT's BLD service, but I was not impressed. The motherboard had a bunch of errors upon receiving the computer, and NZXT acted like nothing was wrong and literally told me it was "normal". I spent $2,600 on it. And upon looking up the codes, most were related to PCIe and CPU issues. I wasn't taking that chance, especially when it was so expensive and they seemed to be trying to lie about hardware problems. So, now I'm back to building my own computer after having issues twice in a row. First from trying to build one, and now from NZXT. As always, I appreciate the help and I look forward to seeing what awesome builds you guys have!

 

 

GPU Coolers Tier List:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1046174-graphics-card-coolingvrm-tier-list-navi-update/

 

Motherboard Tier List:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1046357-motherboard-tier-list-x570-update/

 

CPU Cooler Tier List:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

 

PSU Tier List:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40-rev-30/

 

 

Thanks!

[ShafeDogg]

9 minutes ago, Genwyn said:

I actually just a few days ago put together a list for a similar use case.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$499.99 @ Best Buy
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$88.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus Pro WS X570-ACE ATX AM4 Motherboard	$368.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$169.99 @ B&H
Storage	Western Digital Gold 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$109.85 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	$499.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	$136.98 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$114.79 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	Fractal Design X2 GP-14 (White) 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan	$14.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2104.45
	Mail-in rebates	-$25.00
	Total	$2079.45
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-30 15:28 EDT-0400

Duplicates of items didn’t show up for some reason but double the HDD and ram kit for 32gb of ram and 4tb of storage space.

Thanks for the reply  I forgot to mention that I would prefer to use an x470 board in the case of AMD as I really have no need for x570 and I'd rather have something that doesn't run so hot!

[ShafeDogg]

I'm still looking for build ideas. Thanks a lot everyone

[agent2]

That's actually a really good build by @Genwyn but I'd exchange for the 970 EVO a Corsair MP600 1TB as that's still in your budget and it is much faster due to the newer PCIe protocol but the claim that X570 runs hot is only partly true as it runs hot but is cooled actively so in total it isn't. One thing that makes me like the ASUS Pro WS-X570 ACE a lot is that is splits the PCIe lanes really well so x8/x8/x8 across all x16 slots. So you'll get a lot out of that chipset on that board. Depending on your workload the RX 5700XT will definitely do (like the Red Devil as you mentioned) so it's all about "do I need CUDA or OpenCL?". One last mention is that you should rather get 2*16GB RAM (ECC optional) kit as it leaves room for expansion later. So here you have my two cents on it! 

Good luck and have fun building!

[ShafeDogg]

@agent2 I've watched Buildzoid, and honestly there's no reason to get X570 if you're not going to be using PCIe 4.0, or for tech enthusiasts (which I am, but I still don't see a need for anything faster than the NVMe drives we already have yet). The 2080 Ti uses half the bandwidth of PCIe 3.0. I truly believe that AMD rushed out this new standard in order to make Ryzen 3 look more flashy. Don't get me wrong, the new CPUs are amazing and I'll probably end up going with one, but I'd be more comfortable buying the X570 standard once it's been out longer and becomes more efficient so a fan is no longer required. I tried the X570 Taichi, and that board was literally running at almost 80C. My current board runs at less than 30... The hotter something runs, the less its lifespan. Not to mention that the hot air exhausted by the GPU goes right onto the chipset fan, even on most high end boards. I'd rather not risk it. It seems like a bad design choice. Furthermore, I'd never need so many PCIe lanes, as I don't even plan on running SLI or any card other than a GPU. I'd rather save money on a quality X470 board like Buildzoid suggests. I hope I'm not coming off as rude, but I'm just explaining my thinking on it all. I'm really not sure what GPU to get yet. Nvidia still kills it (currently) in the GPU department, but the Red Devil has an awesome price that would save me over $300 on a 2080 Super, and removing the blower style cooler makes it even more attractive. That was just a bad choice on AMD's part. I don't really know the difference between CUDA and OpenCL. I've always just looked at benchmarks and price to decide on parts. Mostly I just want a capable card capable of playing most things on max with 60+ frames (ideally 144, but I realize not all games support it or can be even with a 2080 Ti, like Metro Exodus for example), but not as expensive as the 2080 Ti. Sorry for the long reply, and thanks for reading!

 

Thanks for any and all builds and ideas, and thank you for taking the time to give some advice!

 

Edit: Here's a link to the Buildzoid video for anyone interested or thinking of using Ryzen 3:

 

[agent2]

1 hour ago, ShafeDogg said:

@agent2 I've watched Buildzoid, and honestly there's no reason to get X570 if you're not going to be using PCIe 4.0, or for tech enthusiasts (which I am, but I still don't see a need for anything faster than the NVMe drives we already have yet). The 2080 Ti uses half the bandwidth of PCIe 3.0. I truly believe that AMD rushed out this new standard in order to make Ryzen 3 look more flashy. Don't get me wrong, the new CPUs are amazing and I'll probably end up going with one, but I'd be more comfortable buying the X570 standard once it's been out longer and becomes more efficient so a fan is no longer required. I tried the X570 Taichi, and that board was literally running at almost 80C. My current board runs at less than 30... The hotter something runs, the less its lifespan. Not to mention that the hot air exhausted by the GPU goes right onto the chipset fan, even on most high end boards. I'd rather not risk it. It seems like a bad design choice. Furthermore, I'd never need so many PCIe lanes, as I don't even plan on running SLI or any card other than a GPU. I'd rather save money on a quality X470 board like Buildzoid suggests. I hope I'm not coming off as rude, but I'm just explaining my thinking on it all. I'm really not sure what GPU to get yet. Nvidia still kills it (currently) in the GPU department, but the Red Devil has an awesome price that would save me over $300 on a 2080 Super, and removing the blower style cooler makes it even more attractive. That was just a bad choice on AMD's part. I don't really know the difference between CUDA and OpenCL. I've always just looked at benchmarks and price to decide on parts. Mostly I just want a capable card capable of playing most things on max with 60+ frames (ideally 144, but I realize not all games support it or can be even with a 2080 Ti, like Metro Exodus for example), but not as expensive as the 2080 Ti. Sorry for the long reply, and thanks for reading!

 

Thanks for any and all builds and ideas, and thank you for taking the time to give some advice!

 

Edit: Here's a link to the Buildzoid video for anyone interested or thinking of using Ryzen 3:

 

No prob take care and have fun building your system!

[ShafeDogg]

On 11/3/2019 at 4:13 PM, agent2 said:

No prob take care and have fun building your system!

Thank you!

 

I'm still looking for builds and suggestions. Thanks so much!

[greeatzy]

On 10/30/2019 at 7:18 PM, ShafeDogg said:

1. Budget & Location

$2,000-$2,500, USA.

 

2. Aim

Heavy gaming (all types) and multitasking. Possibly other things like game design, coding, writing, music creation, and maybe editing. I know I at least want 32GB of RAM as I have run out of 16GB on many occasions. Whatever speed and latency is best for the CPU chosen. For the CPU, I was thinking the 3700X, 3900X, or the 9900K (maybe even the new 9900KS, but I'm unsure how well it's doing as it just came out today). For the GPU, I was thinking at least a 2070 or 2080 Super or 5700 XT (I heard the "Red Devil" is amazing). However, I don't mind if the card is Nvidia or AMD, as long as it performs great and has a good cooler. The page I linked below has been infinitely helpful with this. I'd ideally like a 1TB SSD and 4TB HDD. If you guys don't think I should go with NVMe, a regular SSD is fine. Also, I would like to use a very good CPU cooler and motherboard (also linked below), but I do not plan on doing any overclocking. I just want to max out Turbo/Precision Boost. I want to use at least an 80+ Gold PSU. Lastly, I'd also really appreciate some recommendations on some good case fans!

 

3. Monitors

One 1080P 144Hz. Already purchased.

 

4. Peripherals

No. Windows already purchased.

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

Current system is about 6 years old and it's time for an upgrade.

 

6. Extra Information

I tried purchasing a system from NZXT's BLD service, but I was not impressed. The motherboard had a bunch of errors upon receiving the computer, and NZXT acted like nothing was wrong and literally told me it was "normal". I spent $2,600 on it. And upon looking up the codes, most were related to PCIe and CPU issues. I wasn't taking that chance, especially when it was so expensive and they seemed to be trying to lie about hardware problems. So, now I'm back to building my own computer after having issues twice in a row. First from trying to build one, and now from NZXT. As always, I appreciate the help and I look forward to seeing what awesome builds you guys have!

 

 

GPU Coolers Tier List:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1046174-graphics-card-coolingvrm-tier-list-navi-update/

 

Motherboard Tier List:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1046357-motherboard-tier-list-x570-update/

 

CPU Cooler Tier List:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

 

PSU Tier List:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40-rev-103/

 

 

Thanks!

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FMx27T

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($324.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($99.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($198.32 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($67.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB ROG Strix Gaming OC Video Card  ($1279.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.89 @ Amazon)
Total: $2476.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-07 22:36 EST-0500

[ShafeDogg]

@greeatzy I had no idea the NH-D15 came in black now...that's awesome!

 

What do you guys think of this build?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler 
Motherboard: Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($238.28 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($299.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($147.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($174.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1576.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-09 00:59 EST-0500

 

There's a few more things I still haven't decided:

• PSU - The one I have listed above is just a placeholder, as I'm not sure exactly what wattage I should get yet. I'd love some more help choosing one that's easy to use, at least tier A on the PSU tier list, and at least 80+ Gold.
• Case Fans - Which ones should I use? I plan on placing a fan in every available spot in the case (except the bottom spot, if not needed?). 140mm or 120mm in top and front? Will I need any fan hubs or splitters? Should I do RGB fans or just go for performance?
• Thermal Paste - What should I use? I read that Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut (https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-Carbonaut-38-0-2/dp/B07PHLJYWK/) performs as well as quality thermal paste and I'd prefer it honestly, as I'm not great at judging how much thermal paste to use. There's also the IC Graphite Thermal Pad, which I've used multiple times and seems to do well (https://www.amazon.com/Innovation-Cooling-Graphite-Thermal-Pad/dp/B07CK9SHZG/). Any ideas?

Thank you!