Ryzen 2000 series or wait for new release?

[Naijin]

Currently wanting to build myself a new pc, but a bit stuck on the options.

I miss my desktop (r5 1600/gtx 1070) and bought a laptop to be more mobile (GL702ZC with r7 1700/RX 580). I would love to get back to building a desktop to be proud of.

Right now I only play World of Warcraft, at setting 6/10 and play on 4K. Would you suggest waiting for the 3000 series of Ryzen or should I just go for the 2000 series? 

[TempestCatto]

Since you have a pc and are not in a bind like I am, I would suggest you wait. Even then, if 3000 ends up being too expensive for you, you could always snag a 2700x for a bargain.

[Dedayog]

Since you'll be building a budget build, I'd just go for a 2600 for cheap.  Will give you room to upgrade in the future, but I can't see the 3xxx chips coming out all that cheap if they're going to perform like everyone is jerking off to.... I mean thinking.

 

Like asking if you should buy a Camaro or wait for the new Corvette.  Do you need a Corvette?  No, you don't.

[Master Disaster]

Zen 2 is *RUMOURED* to be coming in July, I think at this point Summer is a definite. 7nm, more cores, more IPC, more GHz and more overclocking (potentially).

 

Personally I'd wait.

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, TempestCatto said:

Since you have a pc and are not in a bind like I am, I would suggest you wait. Even then, if 3000 ends up being too expensive for you, you could always snag a 2700x for a bargain.

Not sure the 2700x will be as big a bargain, as we're aleady seeing Ryzen 2xxx series prices dropping.  

 

You're speculating, while the 2600 is a song right now in actual fact.

[Naijin]

12 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Since you'll be building a budget build, I'd just go for a 2600 for cheap.  Will give you room to upgrade in the future, but I can't see the 3xxx chips coming out all that cheap if they're going to perform like everyone is jerking off to.... I mean thinking.

 

Like asking if you should buy a Camaro or wait for the new Corvette.  Do you need a Corvette?  No, you don't.

Well, budget being about € 1500, what I was looking at right now would be a ryzen 7 2700x, RTX 2070/1080/Vega 64, 16GB RAM

[Dedayog]

6 minutes ago, Naijin said:

Well, budget beint about € 1500, what I was looking at right now would be a ryzen 7 2700x, RTX 2070/1080/Vega 64, 16GB RAM

Yeah,  then if the 3xxx series is good enough, upgrade to it in a year or so.  I don't see waiting for 6 months just to see what's coming, when you want a desktop you can use RIGHT NOW for those 6 months and enjoy.

 

I mean, honestly I've spent $1500 and it hasn't lasted me 6 months, let alone 5 years

 

What's the worst that can happen?  You are gaming at 5-10 FPS than someone else who waits?  Well, enjoy those frames til then, cuz laptop gaming sucks ass.

 

Or, at if you want to wait, build the peripheral side of things and use a docking station.  You'll need monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers/headphones etc anyway.

[TempestCatto]

9 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

You are gaming at 5-10 FPS than someone else who waits?

That right there is speculation. For all we know, Ryzen 3000 could boast way more for FPS if it can keep up much better with the GPU.

 

9 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

it hasn't lasted me 6 months, let alone 5 years

Sounds like you need to choose better parts and optimize.

 

9 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

build the peripheral side of things and use a docking station. 

Would not recommend this, it's just spending more money in the long run. Better to save that money for better parts when the time comes to build.

 

17 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

You're speculating, while the 2600 is a song right now in actual fact. 

While yes, it is speculation, it's pretty standard to see the old product line drop in price when the new one comes out (unless you're Nvidia). But I don't know what you mean when you say "the 2600 is a song right now in actual fact".

 

9 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

I don't see waiting for 6 months just to see what's coming, when you want a desktop you can use RIGHT NOW for those 6 months and enjoy.

OP already has a laptop which sees him fine in the one game he plays. He's better off to wait so he'll save money in the long run.

[Dedayog]

6 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

That right there is speculation. For all we know, Ryzen 3000 could boast way more for FPS if it can keep up much better with the GPU.

 

Sounds like you need to choose better parts and optimize.

 

Would not recommend this, it's just spending more money in the long run. Better to save that money for better parts when the time comes to build.

 

While yes, it is speculation, it's pretty standard to see the old product line drop in price when the new one comes out (unless you're Nvidia). But I don't know what you mean when you say "the 2600 is a song right now in actual fact".

 

OP already has a laptop which sees him fine in the one game he plays. He's better off to wait so he'll save money in the long run.

Okay, I'm basing performance on AMD's 15% marketing deal they used when talking Ryzen.  Should be roughly 5-10 FPS system total, not 5-10 FPS on the CPU alone.  

 

I'm talking conceptually here, as in $1500 on anything in life.  He's not throwing it away, he's using it for the next 6 months as well as 5 years after that when he would use a Ryzen 2 system anyway.  Nevermind.  

 

The 2600 is $165.  I don't see this dropping much more, as I think it's IN it's price drop right now.  $165 for that CPU is a damn good deal, right now. I'd build that system, enjoy it and then upgrade later when Zen 2 comes out.

 

How is it wasting money on the monitor, keyboard, and mouse and headphones?  Don't you need them for a desktop and you can use them now with a docking station?  Or do you really game on a 15" laptop screen and that shitty ass keyboard?

 

Biggest reason:  OP says he would love to build a desktop to be proud of.  He wants to do this.  I say rock that shit out.

[TempestCatto]

3 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Okay, I'm basing performance on AMD's 15% marketing deal they used when talking Ryzen.  Should be roughly 5-10 FPS system total, not 5-10 FPS on the CPU alone.  

 

I'm talking conceptually here, as in $1500 on anything in life.  He's not throwing it away, he's using it for the next 6 months.  Nevermind.  

 

The 2600 is $165.  I don't see this dropping much more, as I think it's IN it's price drop right now.  $165 for that CPU is a damn good deal, right now. I'd build that system, enjoy it and then upgrade later when Zen 2 comes out.

 

How is it wasting money on the monitor, keyboard, and mouse and headphones?  Don't you need them for a desktop and you can use them now with a docking station?  Or do you really game on a 15" laptop screen and that shitty ass keyboard?

 

Biggest reason:  OP says he would love to build a desktop to be proud of.  He wants to do this.  I say rock that shit out.

I don't quite get what you mean here. I was saying how 3000 has the potential to give you far more than just 10FPS system wide.

 

Right, but because of how close 3000 is to releasing, you'd be better off to wait. You're not going to get all the money back from your CPU purchase, you're lucky to get half, that's money wasted.

 

It easily could drop more. Besides that, I was talking about the 2700x, even OP said he'd use it if he built right now.

 

I thought you were referring to a docking station just for the laptop, so this actually isn't a bad idea (assuming OP didn't keep any of that stuff).

 

Yes, and if he waits a bit longer, he'll have saved more money in the long run, and can build an even better system which would make him even more proud.

 

Not gonna lie man, your English really isn't so clean, you're really hard to understand (which surprises me since your profile says you live in the USA).

[Naijin]

9 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

I don't quite get what you mean here. I was saying how 3000 has the potential to give you far more than just 10FPS system wide.

 

Right, but because of how close 3000 is to releasing, you'd be better off to wait. You're not going to get all the money back from your CPU purchase, you're lucky to get half, that's money wasted.

 

It easily could drop more. Besides that, I was talking about the 2700x, even OP said he'd use it if he built right now.

 

I thought you were referring to a docking station just for the laptop, so this actually isn't a bad idea (assuming OP didn't keep any of that stuff).

 

Yes, and if he waits a bit longer, he'll have saved more money in the long run, and can build an even better system which would make him even more proud.

 

Not gonna lie man, your English really isn't so clean, you're really hard to understand (which surprises me since your profile says you live in the USA).

What do you actually mean with docking station for the laptop? Kinda curious here as I currently have it on a cooling pad that tilts and elevates it for easier typing  

[TempestCatto]

1 minute ago, Naijin said:

What do you actually mean with docking station for the laptop? Kinda curious here as I currently have it on a cooling pad that tilts and elevates it for easier typing  

Docking station as in, you drop your laptop on it, it locks in, now your monitor is your screen and you have a nice set of speakers, keyboard, mouse, etc. Plus you're laptop would be charging and you could use Ethernet instead of wireless. I may be thinking more on the business side of docking stations (like my mom uses).

[Naijin]

1 minute ago, TempestCatto said:

Docking station as in, you drop your laptop on it, it locks in, now your monitor is your screen and you have a nice set of speakers, keyboard, mouse, etc. Plus you're laptop would be charging and you could use Ethernet instead of wireless. I may be thinking more on the business side of docking stations (like my mom uses).

You do have some good points.

My laptop is a secondary screen right now, with power, mouse, ethernet cable and displayport attached to them. My 4K monitor is to the right of it. Ergonomically it's all right. My work laptop is an HP probook which has a docking station option however I don't think it's available for my Asus GL702ZC