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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/amds-ryzen-cpu-with-vega-graphics-threatens-to-blow-kaby-lake-out-the-water/?sf128877661=1

My thoughts on this can pretty much be concluded in "this is cool, but call me when desktop SKUs are out" but i'm sure somebody has some interest. Actual power usage seems to be up int he air as well, though as noted if its the rumored 35w it'll be more efficient than the intel CPU + MX150 by 5 watts. (Though not performing quite as well, so a give/take) What i read was TDP not actual usage. Reading is hard. For the full read: https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Raven-Ridge-Performance-Leaks-APU-GeForce-MX150-Performance

With Raven Ridge projected to come in 2H 2017 or possibly later, I am curious as to everyone's thoughts and predictions for this product. For one, I wonder if any "consumer" models will receive HBM and on whether the GPU performance will end up lower than a RX 460/560 or if it has the potential to exceed that and maybe approach RX 470/570 performance territory.

Something I see a lot of when people build small ITX PC's and cram really high end hardware in them, they only utilise the fan locations the manufacturer put but ignore the possibility of installing smaller fans such as 40mm or 80mm in places the manufacturer only intended as air intakes and outlets.Big issue with small ITX desktop builds is getting the hot air out quick enough which accumulates and heats up every component because of the tight space, as an owner of the Silverstone Raven Ridge RVZ03 I decided to experiment and it turns out, yes its genuinely useful to install tiny fans. Currently I only managed to acquire 3 x 40mm fans and 1 x 80mm for testing purposes.The fans I use are the following.40mm - Noctua NF-A4x20 FLX80mm - AKASA Slimfan AK-FN076 PWM You might have trouble connecting this many fans to PWM connector on your MOAB but using a cable such as FLEXA FP3S or FLEXA FP5S to connect multiple same type fans to one header and power them off eSATA.In my current testing I dropped a 10 degree off my Ryzen 7 1700 which runs at 1.375 volts and 3.9GHz but would easily reach 90 degrees without these fans and now sits at 80 degrees will eventually reach 87 because there just not enough fans to pull out the hot air from the 120mm 3000RPM CPU intake fan spinning at full speed.So while the Raven Ridge RVZ03 can only utilise 3 x 120mm fans it is fully possible to install 4 x 40mm fans which do push air really nicely (No I am not joking its also very quiet at 5000RPM) and there possibility of 3 or 4 x 80mm fans, there some issues with the power cable that might interfere.All you need to fasten these fans with is simple zip ties, I ran two through my fans and connected them on the other end, they are stuck pretty good and you can get them to line up very accurate, if you have an ITX build and want better air cooling, measure and test it out yourself. 19.10.23 EDIT: Added pictures cause I forgot to.

I have a Raven Ridge RVZ03 desktop case, a very compact and small ITX case, as of now I have no less than 12 fans in there, 3 x 120mm Noctua fans, 4 x 40mm fans and 5 x 80mm fans to pull and draw air in as good as possible, the 3 x 120mm fans pulls air in while the 4 x 40mm and 5 x 80mm draws the air out. The case has been modified slightly to allow for installation of all these fans, the noise level is no more than usual. However it is in my mind that after running this setup I have acceptable temperatures of an overclocked system but I always beg the question in my mind would a water cooling solution be better? My specifications are: Ryzen 7 1700 3.9GHz Vega 56 1.725GHz I like the case a lot, I have no foreseeable plans to replace it and my next upgrade will most likely involve component swap instead. As I see it currently, I have space for no more than one 120mm radiator, and one 240mm radiator which will require a custom loop duo to the case being so small and will require additional modifications. However I am unsure if I will see any beneficial decrease in temperature with a water cooling over an air cooling, there is the added level of maintenance however the space inside is limited, would a water cooling solution perhaps be a better solution for a smaller case with limited space for air heatsinks? The one thing I could definitely see improving a lot is my Vega 56 and its VRM temperatures which would all be under the water block.

Hey all, I've been using a desktop for the past year but I just started a class this semester that looks like it might require me to get a laptop to use in class. Prof's got this bizarre combination of a flipped classroom environment and online homework. So really I could get by with a cheap Chromebook, but I really like the Ryzen platform so I was thinking of getting a laptop with an APU and also using it for some light gaming on the go. I'm just thinking of less-demanding games like 2D, indie, and maybe older games (ie: Mark of the Ninja, Hyper Light Drifter, KotOR, Transistor, Ori). So, what I'm looking at is the HP Envy x360 13 in. model with an Ryzen 3 2300U and Vega 3 or the 15 in. model with a Ryzen 5 2500U and Vega 8. The r5v8 model is only $30 more, but I would kinda prefer the smaller chassis. I've looked up benchmarks, but most of what I've found is synthetic benchmarks and I have no idea how that is going to translate to real world. So, the question I've been getting to is will those extra Vega cores make an appreciable difference in less-demanding games?

Hello. I am working on a build for my friend, and previous to today I had thought that all 2nd gen AMD Ryzen chips may not be compatible with older BIOS updates on certain motherboards. In fact, I had to order a boot kit from AMD to get my own rig working. However, upon researching the Ryzen 3 2200g and Ryzen 5 2400g, I noticed that Gigabyte shows that the Raven Ridge APU processors have been compatible since the first bios version of their b350 mobos. Is it true that an update will not be needed for the 2200g and 2400g? I have seen across the internet people saying that they will need an updated motherboard for their 2200g. Here is a link for the Gigabyte example. https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350M-DS3H-rev-1x#support-cpu If possible I'm trying to avoid going through the process of ordering a boot kit again. The main motherboards I was looking at are: Gigabyte GA-AB350m-gaming 3, MSI B350M GAMING PRO, and ASRock AB350M Pro 4. Any advice is helpful. Here is the current build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CGQvq4

Problem: Systems hard lock after anywhere from a few minutes of uptime to a couple of days. Image is frozen on screen and no mouse cursor is visible, pressing Ctrl+Shift+Win+B to reset graphics driver does nothing. Only one of the PCs has ever bluescreened and it only did so one time, with error code 0x1000009f DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE for ntoskrnl.exe. I tried updating, downgrading, and reinstalling GPU, NIC, and sound drivers but no luck. Every other time the PCs don't bluescreen when they lock up and there is nothing in the Event Viewer that is helpful. Troubleshooting steps tried: Updated AMD drivers from 18.5.1 to 18.7.1 and 18.8.1. Clean installed both 18.8.1 and 18.5.1. Installed Realtek LAN and audio drivers from ASRock. Clean installed 17.7 AIO driver package from ASRock (listed as 17.40). Updated BIOS from 4.70 to 4.90. Reset BIOS. Uninstalled August 2018 Windows 10 patches. Switched to Balanced power plan instead of Ryzen Balanced. Disabled USB suspending and PCIe ASPM Switched to High performance, disabled ASPM & USB SS Increased SOC voltage to 1.1 and RAM voltage to 1.3. Removed AMD drivers, used Microsoft Basic Display Adapter. Uninstalled Malwarebytes Premium 3.5.1 Started in Safe Mode w/ Networking Repair install 1803. Used only one RAM stick at 2133MHz. Switched SATA ports Installed PCIe SATA controller Switched to SanDisk SSD Switched to Patriot RAM Next steps: Clean install 1803 Install 1709, delay 1803 update Replace AMD with Intel Identical systems specs: AMD Ryzen 2200G CPU ASRock AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX Motherboard G.Skill Ripjaws V 8GB (4GBx2) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD EVGA 450W Bronze PSU Fractal Design Core 1000 Micro ATX Case Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Other system specs: AMD Ryzen 2200G CPU Asus TUF B350M Plus Gaming Micro ATX Motherboard Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (4GBx2) 3000MHz DDR4 RAM Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD Corsair TX650M Gold PSU Fractal Design Node 804 Micro ATX Case Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Details: I built four identical systems and one with different motherboard and RAM, all of them are having this problem to varying degrees of severity. The worst one locked up within 15 minutes, but the best one used to work for over a week without issues. I tried doing a repair install on one of the systems, during the preparation period for the upgrade the system locked up at 16%. I was able to get it to complete to the point of restarting to do the majority of the install, but that locked up multiple times as well. I've looked through the event log, and there is nothing between the systems that points to the source of the problem. There is no one thing that causes the systems to lockup, and there is no rime or reason to when they lockup. One of them did seem to lockup every hour, but otherwise it happens at random. I'm at my wits end; in over 15 years of troubleshooting and building PCs I have never had issues of this scope or inconsistency. I repair computers for a living, and I have never seen issues like this. I have a server based on AMD's Epyc 7351P and my main desktop is based on the Ryzen 7 1700, and I haven't had issues anywhere close to this on those systems. At this point I'm seriously considering replacing the CPUs and motherboards with Intel equivalents. I've I'm willing to try any suggestions any one has, no matter how much of a long shot they are or how stupid they seem. First edit: Here's a link to the dump file, driver list, and system info: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoFuBFiKuAH5uWqmul1JHUSusJ4S Second edit: Enabled Driver Verifier and system crashed after 23 minutes of AIDA64 with an error of UNEXPECTED_STORE_EXCEPTION. Did some research and found that it is caused by an incompatibility between Samsung SSDs and AMD's SATA driver. Uninstalled AMD's driver and switched to Microsoft's driver, hopefully this will fix it. In the forum posts of other people having this issue, Samsung blames the AMD SATA driver yet they're the only ones who have this issue. If not using AMD's driver fixes the problem Samsung won't hear the end of this until they fix their damn firmware. No other brand of SSD has this issue that I know of, so its clearly something they're doing that is non-standard. Third edit: I tried adding an AsMedia-based PCIe SATA controller to bypass the built-in SATA controller, and when Windows loads to the login screen half the screen is black. After logging in to the desktop the entire screen turns green. I also swapped the Samsung SSD for a cheap SanDisk that I had lying around, system exhibited same problems so I don't think its the SSD. At this point I think there is a fundamental problem with the ASRock boards and Raven Ridge, so I've started a return with Newegg for the ASRock motherboards and will be getting the ASUS Prime B450M-A/CSM instead. I'm also trying some Patriot memory I had on hand to see if the G.Skill RAM is causing the problem and I have a Crucial MX500 SSD on order to try on the existing boards, but I don't think that will fix the problem at this point.

Hey guys, 1. Can some let me know if Asus Strix B350-F is capable of supporting Ryzen 5 2400G!?? Does it have a BIO update of 2ng Gen Ryzen CPU's? 2. If not, Then what other budget motherboards that will support the 2nd Gen Ryzen CPU's(AB or B350's).? 3. Is there a tutorial video showing how the 2nd Gen Ryzen CPU's are to updated? like is there a need of an other PC?

So I have been seeing a lot of stuff about the Raven Ridge problem for the Ryzen APU's and I am planning to build a budget gaming build with this CPU. It's the definite bang-for-your-pound. But do any of you guys know what Motherboards have been updated to the newest bios? I don't have an extra CPU to update the motherboard so please help

Will A Ryzen 5 2400g bottleneck a gtx 1070 ?

So, I've already read a bunch of posts on how unstable can the new Ryzen APUs act, and I've come to experience it myself pretty thoroughly. Sometimes the PC works fine for prolonged sessions through various degrees of load.. Other times, it keeps on crashing, or getting BSODs. Drivers are good, BIOS is updated, no OC.. Now comes the interesting thing Memtest86+ doesn't show a single line of red, yet Aida64 fail instantly on memory load, along with google stressapp that regularly shows miscompare on DIMM Unknown. What can that come down to? Something with the way Ryzen APUs manage memory within Windows, or some hardware failure that memtest86 cannot detect? Ryzen 3 2200G Gigabyte B350M-D3H Corsair LPX 2x4GB 3000Mhz CL15

I have been planning this for almost a month now and I'm going to get this PC a week past from now. A dealer near my home has offered me this build for a price of about : $400 I'm a student and I'd be using this PC for mainly programming purposes and some gaming (not any powerful ones, just some of the old timers like : Outlast, GTA 4 etc), though I won't play many games it's always good to have graphics, just in case This is the following build : Ryzen 2200G Corsair Vengeance 8GB 2666Mhz RAM Gigabyte AB350M Gaming 3 Motherboard WD Green 120GB SSD Cooler Master K380 Case Cooler Master MWE 450W Bronze + rated PSU Total cost : $400 Do you guys think its worth it? Or are the parts not good enough? I already have the monitor which is Benq GW2270 FHD Thank You

HI, im looking for a motherboard that wont need a bios update. I do not want to pay the dreaded price for a X-470 motherboard unless i must. Could somebody link me to a B350 motherboard that is ready for raven ridge and will not require a bios update? (Im getting the ryzen 3 2200G in case you were wondering.)

Yooo. So as I'm still waiting on my GPU RMA (it's been a month now) I'm contemplating to switch to a 2400G just to improve my gaming performance. In terms of CPU-only power, is this a downgrade from my i5-7500? Or more of a sidegrade?

Ever since I built my AM4-Raven Ridge system I haven't been able to do any sustained compute tasks without experiencing BSOD always with the Erron "DPC_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT" I am running stock-clocks on an AB350 MITX board with all the latest BIOS and Drivers. I even tried adding a 100-150mv offset to see if that helped stability, also added some to the SOC/GFX. I even down-clocked and loosened timings on Ram. That didn't seem to help stability either. It is 100% stable just sitting on the desktop. Here is my PCPARTPICKER link to my build. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cody_53027/saved/xB8BmG Any and all advice is appreciated. Should I try changing multiplier to less than as-shipped? I've had crashes in-game, I've had crashes during video playback. In both cases I've had it happen within a few minutes of use but I've had it be fine for over an hour. The random nature of my BSODs are proving challenging to troubleshoot. Also, peak thermals are showing highs in the 50-60s via Ryzen master under synthetic load so I don't believe heat on CPU to be an issue. I can't prove it, but my thought is that the Radeon Driver needs improvement.

Hi everyone first time builder here. I have a new motherboard I got from my family couple months ago: Link to motherboard. I know that the newer Raven Ridge chips are APUs designed to slot into AM4 sockets. I read from Tom's Hardware that my motherboard happened to have released a new BIOS to allow for chipset compatibility. However I have no experience with building or even flashing a BIOS onto a motherboard. I've read around that I would need to have a complete working system to flash the BIOS, but I do not have the parts on hand, and would not like to spend that extra money to buy another CPU just to flash the BIOS. So my question(s): 1. Would I be able to just slot in a Ryzen 2200G/2400G into my motherboard and see the system post (so I can update BIOS after? 2. Is there a way to flash the BIOS via external peripherals like via USB without having to buy another CPU? 3. What are the necessary SOP steps for flashing a BIOS? 4. Is it better just to wait until the 400 series motherboards come out? Sorry if this is not what the forum is intended to do. Just have questions I can't seem to find answers to. Thanks. And I will try to respond back if people need more information.

Help please! Im going to build a PC with the brand new Ryzen 5 2400G. Since this is going to be for an Office, its cost sensitive. Thats why Im considering the ASRock A320/B350 M-HDV Motherboard. However, what do I do with that Bridge BIOS thing? How am I suppossed to update the BIOS on the Motherboard if it wont recognize the CPU yet. Help! @Princess Cadence @Energycore Also, which RAM should I use, and at what speed, Ryzen is picky with memory. Its going to use 8GB of RAM in Dual Channel. The speed and brand is the question. For storage im going to use an M.2 SSD (SATA). The WD Blue 3D NAND SSD M.2 256GB version. If my client wants it I will bump up the SSD to 512GB or change it for an NVMe Drive. Im going to use in that case a 960Evo or a WD Black. (Im going to use WD because, since this is for an office, support and reliability is important, and WD has some of the best warranties/customer services out there, have experienced it first hand). Im going into Panic Mode, this is the first PC I build to sell, and I CANT screw up. Help!

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/CES-2018-AMD-Drops-Ryzen-CPU-Prices-30-Percent With the recent announcement of Ryzen Desktop APUs and dropped prices of Threadripper, Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5, I started wondering will first-gen Ryzen 3 get a price drop since new-gen will be cheaper and more powerful with their APUs?

there is not much to quote but here is the run down 28cu's 1792sp's 2gb HBM (555mhz let me think that its hbm, and it makes sense as its the only thing fitting under a heat spreader) 2400mhz core clock (?) sauce and more details below http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcdfadcbddce1d0e0d9ebdae2c4b68bbb9df89da090b6c5f8c8&l=en it seems to be legit , but also classified as "workstation/server" so im more than puzzled

Been a while... Eh. I wanted to scratch an itch of not being to build a rig after a year, so here's something for my brother to get come the holidays. It's a $318 usd starter budget build that can beat his old-ass 2007 laptop and can be upgraded further. PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRqzJV Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRqzJV/by_merchant/ CPU: AMD - A8-9600 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $64.99) Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($75.98 @ Newegg) Storage: ADATA - SP900 M.2 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($63.99 @ Amazon) Storage: PNY - CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00) Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: EVGA - 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00) Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $5.50) Monitor: Acer - S200HQL GBD 19.5" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor Other: Samsung M378A5244CB0-CRC 2X4GB DDR4-2400 Memory (Purchased For $44.50) Other: Corsair Fan AF120L 1300 RPM, 57.13 CFM, 120mm x 25mm Single (Purchased) Other: Corsair Fan AF120L 1300 RPM, 57.13 CFM, 120mm x 25mm Single (Purchased) Other: Corsair Fan AF120L 1300 RPM, 57.13 CFM, 120mm x 25mm Single ($3.99) Other: Corsair Fan AF120L 1300 RPM, 57.13 CFM, 120mm x 25mm Single ($3.99) Total: $317.93 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-12 22:17 EDT-0400 Right, the elephant in the room: this rig does not have a Ryzen CPU. Well, the A8-9600 was on sale last month so I carpe-diemed and bought one at $65. The lack of Ryzen can be rectified by my brother by obtaining more money on his own to upgrade to a 1600 or to next year's Raven Ridge/Pinnacle Ridge processors. I don't know what he'll be interested in doing that requires more than 4 cores/8 threads, so I leave it to him. Based on Buildzoid's tinkering with the AB350M pro4, the 8 core/16 thread CPUs will be avoided. He may come to the bandwagon, eventually. 2nd, any other confirmations that Samsung M378A5244CB0-CRC DRAMs work with ab350m pro4?? I found 3 CPU-Z Validator links on rigs with Asrock mobos+said RAM, but I'd like more feedback on that. 3rd, considering the Carbide 88r's front panel+small crevices for air intake, would it be ideal to use 120mm lower-rpm fans on the front and then set the high-rpm 120mm fans on top?? On that too, which fan hub would be ideal for 5 case fans?? 4th, I'll warn him that the R7 graphics on the A8 won't handle today's games and can suggest sticking with the old Eidos!Core Tomb Raider games, Fallout 1/2, other old games or easy to run games from Steam. I intend to give this build my EVGA GTX 1060 6GB FTW+ as a birthday present next year while I upgrade to a Nvidia Volta/AMD Navi consumer GPU. 5th, will not let go of the CD drive. My brother has his old Tomb Raider game disks on him and my Windows 10 installation media is a CD. Help if possible, don't help because it doesn't have Ryzen, thanks.