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Hey guys, what do you think of this processor. - intel 4th Gen Xeon Processor Code name: Sapphire Rapids Q-sepc code: QVV5 Frequency: 1.30GHz (normal value of early samples) Socket: LGA4677-X Version: ES0 late/ES1 Internal heat conduction: brazing Multi-element: Yes (MAX up to 4 HBM + 4 Core) Process technology:10nm+++ ESF New application support for main hardware: DDR5 RAM / PCIe 5.0 / onboard HBM 「This one of mine may be a low-end model without HBM inside and I found an FPGA chip in this processor」 Its core is very similar to the Microsoft logo.
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The third-generation Intel Xeon processor is divided into two architectures, one is CooperLake, the other is iceLake. We have tested Intel's iceLake 10nm sample. This is related information: intel 3rd Gen iceLake-SP Xeon CPU Q-sepc: QSTN-A0 (EngineeringSample) Architecture: IceLake-SP "Server" Intel official release date: 2021.Q1 Interface: LGA4189-5 Process technology: intel 10nm Forecast series: intel Xeon Silver 3300 Series Core/Thread: 14 cores / 28 threads Cache: L1: 1.1MB / L2: 17.5MB / L3: 21.0MB Reference frequency: 2.00/2.20GHz (1995MHz) Maximum Turbo Frequency: 4.00GHz TDP: 165w Maximum temperature: 105℃ SMT/CMP: 2/14 Current step/revision: A0 / 0 [The voltage is not 1.6v, AIDA64 does not know this CPU, and CPUz does not know, many of them are empty] --- Test platform: intel Whitley LGA4189-5 motherboard (EngineeringSample-ES/QS) CineBench R20: 5,900 CPU-z v1.94.8: 371.6 / 6363 (V17.01) CPU-z v1.94.8: 120.5/ 1965.8 (V19.01) CPU-z v1.94.8: 553.1/10038.4 (AVX-512 single shot) Ferritz chess: 19,715 [16 threads]
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In an article from OC3D, Intel has officially announced their 10nm manufacturing technology which will supposedly pack in 2x as many transistors as competing '10nm' nodes. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_officially_announces_their_10nm_manufacturing_technology/1 According to the article: As for when we may see these fully implemented in chips, the article points out: Hopefully this means that we will see Intel formally moving beyond 14nm by the end of 2018 with a 10nm+ chip. EDIT: Additional detail from Hot Hardware: http://hothardware.com/news/intel-details-advanced-10nm-node It will be interesting to see if they can meet these targets with the 10nm++. EDIT 2: In an additional article from Hexus (http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/104080-intel-claims-10nm-process-full-generation-ahead-rivals/) Intel presented some additional information on how they are claiming their 10nm process is a "full generation ahead" of their closest competitors. From the article: According to the timeline plans published with this, Intel is looking at being on the 10nm process for about 3-years before transitioning to 7nm. As a part of this, Honestly though, I'm thinking that there will be some major physics hurdles that they are going to have to overcome in the near future for transitioning beyond 7nm processes. Maybe some new materials will have to be used in the construction of these processors.
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https://www.extremetech.com/computing/246902-intel-claims-three-year-advantage-10nm-process-wants-change-define-process-nodes Recently we were told Intel was beginning bulk production for 10nm chips, meaning Cannonlake would arrive by year's end or Q1 2018 according to previous history and the usual 8-month lead time from bulk production announcement to products being on the shelves. However, now we have concrete detail from Intel's Mark Bohr on just why 10nm was such a painful node to master. It turns out Intel is introducing 2 patented techniques with this node which increased design complexity considerably in exchange for a 2.7x increase in transistor density. Further, Bohr contended that the traditional measurements used by ASML and others actually do not reflect the reality of how much tighter Intel has packed transistors. The metrics in use are accurate for Intel's competitors, for now, but he expects it will change for them soon too. In short, Intel has done so much work external to the traditional metrics, such as wiping out some components completely (the 2nd layer of dummy gates) and changing the way the copper contacts the gates, such as to cause the standard measure to not be representative. @Coaxialgamer actually fell into this trap on the previous thread. And, by a bit of napkin math comparing Intel's 10nm and TSMC's proposed 7nm nodes, Intel has achieved a ~30% lead in transistors/mm^2. As for how this eventually translates into performance, Intel says a 25% uplift is expected, and a 40% power drop is as well, but it's always workload-dependent as we know. I actually was expecting Intel to bite the bullet and join IBM on the dark FDSOI-FinFET side, but with a material change already announced (with no specifics) for 7nm, it's not completely surprising that Intel wouldn't want to increase its wafer costs and even further complicate design rules now.
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Company presented it's 10nm wafers to public during Intel's Technology and Manufacturing Day in Beijing. Source : LINK, More graphs comparing 10nm to older tech : LINK. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Bohr's (Intel) take on transistor manufacturing naming mess : Source : LINK
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Intel 10nm process for laptops I mean 8core/16HT, when Intel planing release this line cpu. Is Intel planing go far on 7nm or 5nm in core count, like 12 to 16 core in laptops. just wondering. thanks
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Intel 10nm processor laptops, worth waiting?
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According to Intel, they announced that the Icelake laptops will be available till christmas. But i wanted to buy a laptop (budget laptop) before back to school days / summer. So, is it worth waiting for Icelake or should i buy the i5-8265u or any other Coffeelake laptop. Intel also said that they would resolve the 'specter' and 'meltdown' issues, which could also lead to decrease in performance. So, it is worth waiting?- 2 replies
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Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-might-drop-10nm-node-for-desktop-processors.html Source 2: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/68127/intel-cancels-10nm-desktop-14nm-hold-until-2022/index.html All I know is this; the idea that 14nm with "some tweaks" will be enough for Intel to compete with AMD until 2022, does not seem very convincing Intel. Let's all hope that their quick response claiming that their 10nm node is still currently on track, is actually factual, and not Intel simply trying to draw attention away from the topic.
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Summary Is Intel CPU development in even more trouble than we thought...!?! Ex employee reports as much... My thoughts As mentioned many times before we benefit the most from (at least) two strong CPU companies leading the development not from one winning and one in trouble... "RetiredEngineer" (twitter handle) reports serious trouble in development since previous CPU generations and suggests problems with working environment, not the right people in the charge of the development as well as and that§s the worst in my opinion...the right people leaving Intel being the cause for what seems to be even worse situation than Intel is trying to portrait. Jim Keller§s time at Intel described as "breath of fresh air" but he did not stay long enough to cause a postie long lasting change for better. Can we get a Linus Tech Tips probe into CPU Intel / AMD development?!? Photos Sources https://di1it.cz/clanek/byvaly-pracovnik-intelu-zverejnil-co-stoji-za-problemy-spolecnosti
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I'm thinking of buying a desktop gaming PC with whiskey lake and RTX coming up. But then again, I'm reading about cannonlake aming for 10nm and 7nm GPUs being on the up and coming. Do people have any ideas about how big the leap in performance will be, just based on the change in architecture? Any reason to wait for the new standard? I'm kinda torn, because I could use a desktop PC (only have a low performing gaming laptop) and it is always something new coming, but it seems kinda sad to buy new gear right before a big leap (if that is what it is). Any thoughts?
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https://wccftech.com/intel-confirms-10nm-cpus-for-late-2019-new-14nm-products-expected-in-2018-and-2019-will-deliver-new-desktop-core-x-core-s-and-hedt-cascade-lake-x-28-core-processors/ Oh man, Intel has confirmed for the dozenth time that they are going to push product out on the 10 nanometer node. I know that they made some laptop CPUs at some point, which lends a little more credibility to this, but let's be real. Intel needs to be a little more confident in their releases, because they've announced 10 nanometer for like 3 years. on top of that, we don't even know how much improvement processing 10 nanometer even yields on their architecture. they keep wasting it up as this huge thing, but they keep making their minute improvements on the 14nm++, who knows if they're even going to improve that much more with a new process node, considering how zen+ didn't necessarily offer Earth shattering performance gains.
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Intel's 10nm has been the subject of quite a lot of discussions recently, as it has been delayed time and time again, and now according to a intel official slide found in a chinese presentation called "Intel High performance Computing and Intelligent Computing" 10nm will only come to servers sometime in 2020, this revelation puts intel in a disadvantage against amd as they are said to release Epyc 2 on 7nm in the first half of 2019, meaning intel will have lost the process node race for the first time ever and by a full year. On the consumer side thanks to the smaller die sizes its expected that 10nm arrives earlier the question is how much earlier, considering intel right now is only able to produce a 2 core cpu with their 10nm node (2 cores + igpu with igpu disabled due to low yields) a full 6-8 core+igpu die its not expected anytime soon. Personal opinion: Hopefully the moment of the pendulum is just right so that Amd gains enough market share and R&D money to survive long term but not too much to where Intel is left out of the race (doubt it could even happen, they just have too much money). Until now Amds investment on IF only meant that they could reduce prices but now we can see that it has an even better feature, which is it allows Amd to use nodes that are still in their initial phase as each die is much smaller, which will mean Amd will be able to use the newest node sooner than intel (until they start to do this also). Epyc 2 is also expect to have 48 cores with a potential second sku coming later with up to 64 cores, this will mean that amd's one socket servers that were already really attractive will become even more so, having competition on the market is so fun. Source: Overclock3d.net
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I didn't see this anywhere so time to start the rumor mill spinning. Take with lots of salt. It seems that not only has Intel been having problems with their 10nm process, but they've been unable to fix them and have resorted to making it less dense than previously. This results in a process that is closer to 12nm than 10nm, and a q4 2019 launch date in a best case scenario. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_is_reportedly_gutting_10nm_to_make_the_process_usable/1 My thoughts: Intel really seems to be taking a beating lately and if true this is just making it worse. This would put their process essentially on par with other 10nm processes rather than ahead like they've been for so long, and not only that but they'd be releasing it about a year behind. If they wanted AMD to come back from the brink and claw back market share, they're doing perfect.
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While Intel has admitted to having issues with producing volume of 10nm CPUs for consumers, it does appear that they are producing some small volumes, of which the first batch appear to be going to Lenovo for the update to the Ideapad 330. This chip is not listed as a 9 series but as the i3-8121u with a dual core, hyperthreaded part operating at a base frequency of 2.2 and boost to 3.2 GHz and a 15W TDP. Interestingly, it appears that the Ideapad listing may indicate that the iGPU is disabled as it is shipping with an RX540 GPU. There are two articles from OC3D which points to this information. First posted 5/14: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_first_10nm_cannon_lake_laptop_spotted_-_lenovo_ideapad_330/1 Second posted 5/15: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_confirms_the_existence_of_10nm_cannon_lake_i3-8121u_cpu/1 Intel ARK: https://ark.intel.com/products/136863/Intel-Core-i3-8121U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz?q=8121U Based on the specs listed for this part, I have to agree with OC3D that the 10nm process chip as it stands does not really provide much of a benefit over their 14nm Kaby Lake chip, and with the low yields they are supposedly getting, it may not be economic to really use instead of the 14nm chips... Hopefully Intel can get the wrinkles ironed out in the next year though and advance their 10nm process in a way that does show some gains over the 14nm that makes all of this time and effort at least partially worth it. EDIT: Here is an article from over at Anandtech on the new Lenovo Ideapad with some better information/images... https://www.anandtech.com/show/12749/first-10nm-cannon-lake-laptop-spotted-online-lenovo-ideapad-330-for-449 Definitely looks like a low end just needs something that works for a year or two deal...
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Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12749/first-10nm-cannon-lake-laptop-spotted-online-lenovo-ideapad-330-for-449 Laptop available for $449 on a Chinese retailer JD https://item.jd.com/26395831446.html Intel Core i3-8121U10nm Cannon LakeDual CoreFour Threads2.2 GHz Base3.1 GHz Turbo (?)No Integrated Graphics I didn't realise intel were still shipping some 10nm parts. I guess they do have sufficient yield to ship some lower volumes of parts. Will be interesting to see the IPC and efficiency gains of the 10nm process. AFAIK these will be the same gains we see in the mainstream and high end parts when they do start to ship.
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First source: Gamer Meld https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-x399-leaked-z390-cannonlake-confirmed,36952.html Second source: Tom's Hardware Hello LinusTechTips Community! From Darrien A, w/ and love.
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https://www.change.org/p/intel-change-intel-s-philosophy-give-us-10nm-already Made a petition so that Intel can know how we feel about things like NVME Raid keys, rushed responses to AMD, stagnating 14nm for 2 (now saying one more) years.
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Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12114/qualcomm-announces-snapdragon-845-soc Qualcomm Snapdragon Flagship SoCs 2017-2018 SoC Snapdragon 845 Snapdragon 835 CPU 4x Kryo 385 Gold (A75 derivative) @ 2.8GHz 4x256KB L2 4x Kryo 385 Silver (A55 derivative) @ 1.80GHz 4x128KB L2 2MB L3 4x Kryo 280 Gold (A73 derivative) @ 2.45GHz 2MB L2 4x Kryo 280 Silver (A53 derivative) @ 1.90GHz 1MB L2 GPU Adreno 630 Adreno 540 @ 670/710MHz Memory 4x 16-bit CH @ 1866MHz LPDDR4x 29.9GB/s 3MB system cache 4x 16-bit CH @ 1866MHz LPDDR4x 29.9GB/s ISP/Camera Dual 14-bit Spectra 280 ISP 1x 32MP or 2x 16MP Dual 14-bit Spectra 180 ISP 1x 32MP or 2x 16MP Encode/ Decode 2160p60 10-bit H.265 720p480 2160p30 (2160p60 decode), 1080p120 H.264 & H.265 Integrated Modem Snapdragon X20 LTE (Category 18/13) DL = 1200Mbps 5x20MHz CA, 256-QAM UL = 150Mbps 2x20MHz CA, 64-QAM Snapdragon X16 LTE (Category 16/13) DL = 1000Mbps 3x20MHz CA, 256-QAM UL = 150Mbps 2x20MHz CA, 64-QAM Mfc. Process 10nm LPP 10nm LPE The Snapdragon 845 has been announced, and while not a generational leap in performance we're still going to be looking at a pretty good performance jump over the 835. The shift to CPU cores based on the newer A75 and A55 cores should bring a good IPC jump, and the improved 10nm LPP process node (the 835 was on 10nm LPE) also has allowed Qualcomm to raise the clock speed of the CPU. This means we now see the performance cluster of the CPU having a peak clock speed of 2.8 ghz compared to the 2.45 of the 835's Kryo 280 cores (a 14% boost). Interestingly enough, the efficiency cores are now clocked lower. Overall we should expect a ~30% performance jump. This is pretty decent, though still leaves Qualcomm far behind the A11 Bionic, and even the A10 fusion from last year's iPhone 7 should still be faster. The GPU is getting updated to an Adreno 630, for which we should expect about a 30% boost in performance. Other parts of the SoC such as the DSP and modem have been updated, as well as improved media capabilities (the 845 can support up to 4k 60fps, like the A11 bionic). Overall, the 845 looks like it'll be a solid performance boost over the current Snapdragon 835. However, it's not going to be a revolutionary product or anything, so the 835 isn't exactly becoming obsolete anytime soon.
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Maybe we’ll finally get that Intel GPU! https://wccftech.com/intel-ceo-beyond-cpu-7nm-more/
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Source: http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-q3-2016-cannonlake-q3-2017/ Originally it was rumored Kaby Lake might debut in Q4 to compete with Zen-now perhaps that isn't so true. Perhaps Intel wants to beat AMD to the punch, kinda like what Nvidia did with the 980ti vs Fury X. It looks like Cannonlake will also be coming a year later. These are still only rumors though, so take everything with a grain of salt until either Intel announces when they will release or when they release Kaby Lake and Cannonlake.
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source: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/16/intel-corp-confirms-first-10-nanometer-product-on.aspx via: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/90674-intel-confirms-first-10nm-chips-will-roll-h2-2017/ although this is sort of good news that Intel won't delay the 10nm process even further, we should not expect 10nm products in 2017 more likely early 2018 we will see the 1st products on shelves; with 2016-2017 filled with stop-gap 14nm Kaby Lake (also known as Skylake refresh) speculation on my part seems to be off, and we should expect 10nm CPUs no later than 2nd half of 2017 --- Samsung and TSMC already have plans to introduce 10mn process into production this year, but not to be confused with Intel's:
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Following Intel's Tick Tock map of cpu releases where Tick, is a change in the existing architecture (Broadwell), and Tock is a new architcture (Skylake). It will be the very first time, this cycle is broken, due to the increase complexity of manufacturing as process gets smaller and smaller, Skylake's successor Kaby Lake will continue to be 14nm making it a semi-Tock. Cannon Lake will be the very first cpu built on their new 10nm process. As Intel gets better at it, Ice Lake continue to be on a 10nm process and will be bring in a brand new architecture in 2018 follow by Tiger Lake in 2019. No information about these 2 future processors are known yet, but rumors say Intel might bring back FIVR (Fully Integrated Voltage Regulation). If silicon remains a viable source for manufacturing at even smaller process, then Intel will continue to use it down to the road in their 7nm process in 2020 and 5nm process in 2022. If not, then they'll have to look at other materials to replace silicon. http://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-cannonlake-ice-lake-tiger-lake-cpu/
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Source: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/12/intel-corps-10-nanometer-technology-may-be-delayed.aspx It seems Intel could be in big trouble. They recently posted a job listing that stated 10nm production would start in two years. Even in best case scenarios this would suggest intel is pretty behind. Perhaps something will follow Kaby Lake before cannonlake, making it a tick tick tick tock cycle. Tsmc is supposed to start 7nm in 2018, which would put them ahead of intel. This would also put amd zen on a more level playing field, as zen is on 14 nm and so would be competing with 14nm parts instead of 10nm ones. This could really play to amds advantage. Also kudos to myself for typing this all out on a phone lol. I don't have my computer with me right now so had to do it all on this. That's also the reason why there are no tags; I couldn't get those to work on here. I will add them once I have time. EDIT: Added the tags
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