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"Hey, I know you make money off of commission, put together a build for me, I don't care whats in it, just hook yourself up with a paycheck" You didn't even pick your own parts and then were disappointed in the results. To be fair though, I've totally done this. The first time I "upgraded" my own PC was a prebuilt. I didn't know anything about computer parts at the time I just knew that I wanted to max my Mobo's RAM (which was 4GB of DDR2 at the time! WHOA!) and up to a 2GB video card (which didn't make a difference but I didn't know..) so I walked in to Best Buy with those two requests, and the guy picked some eh parts for me and sent me on my way. Silly me. Here's the thing though, x99 isn't "dated" per say, its just not the most recent generation. there is very little groundbreaking tech that has come out in recent time that isn't already available on the x99 platform. With newer CPUs offering marginal improvements, 6-10 cores are going to be better than 4 if you do stuff that can make use of the extra cores. If you can't come up with a reason to have extra cores, you don't need them. Sometimes that reason is simply because you want them and you can afford them, though that is the hardest to justify. I personally do music production and some mild video editing, and my wife does a good amount of photoediting as well. nothing OVERLY demanding, but it was an extra excuse to have more than just because I wanted it.. There is nothing wrong with this. an improvement you are confident in is a good thing. I don't mean to sound like I'm doggin on ya, but having a not so great current x99 build is mostly a self caused problem. This time around, i'm sure you've learned your lesson and will pick out your own parts before going in. I helped my friend built a z97 4790K GTX970 build, and that thing is a beast. He did a good amount of OCing and sure individual cores and gaming results on his PC are much better than my 5930K, but we also expected different things from different platforms, he built with gaming and OCing in mind, I built with productivity and casual gaming in mind. z270 does look pretty sweet, some sexy mobo's coming out, make sure you get a case that showcases the sexiness.

Subjective thought is subjective. what other components did you get? Its Enthusiast grade, its meant for people who want the highest end consumer grade stuff and want to do more than just game. its a platform to perform very well under heavy demands by default without the need to overclock, with the option to overclock there for fun if you want, not designed specifically to be overclocked like the z platform has been, especially when you pair it with a motherboard designed to maximize overclocking capabilities. Anyone getting enthusiast grade gear should know exactly what they should expect to get with it, if its not advertised as great OC potential, paired with other components also advertised for OCing, then you should really just be happy with whatever OCs you get. I am using a 5930K on an Asus x99 Deluxe. great pc, only a mild overclock for fun, it does everything I want it to near instantaneously, why does it need to do more? I will be going for x299 (or whatever it ends up being called), because I want to I am capable of having the money available to do so, despite not necessarily needing it. overpriced? sure. Worth it? to me, yes.

yes, but x99 still has multiple generations, just as the regular sockets, BW-E came to the X99 platform after HW-E was already on it. its pretty safe to say that the next gen of x--- would follow suit. HW-E then BW-E on the x99, SL-E then KL-E on x299. My only thought is that they consider SL and KL the same generation and release them at the same time with slightly varied specs as if they were simply different cpus in the same family, and then have an -E version of whichever generation follows KL still on the x299. not much has been announced, I think I've only read rumors so far, but they do make pretty logical sense based on history and where we are generation wise.

Kaby Lake - E will be on x299 which is not out yet.

VEEVGAGA!

I honestly didn't even know about OLED until last night, after this post was made. I suppose dreams can change! take all my desires and combine them with OLED, which naturally takes care of many of the other specs by default.

why 27" when you can go 30"? you don't have to pick solely from what is already currently available..

oh dang I forgot about this one. i suppose I just popped it in with standard features of widescreen... I don't game competitively, but 5ms or lower is a good one.

Here's something fun, if you got to pick and choose every detail/feature/spec of a screen to be custom built specifically for you, cost out the window, what would you build, and why? I'll start. Based on other monitors that have tempted my wallet, I'll mix em up into something that I think I would personally absolutely love. ~40" Ultrawide and all standard features of a modern wide screen. Anything over 40" is too big IMO, but the bigger the better too, so go as big as can comfortably be enjoyed! ~4,000x~1,800 for resolution (I use multiple monitors as is, but productivity wise, more real estate on the main screen the better) Curved, to fit well on a corner desk 144hz G-sync to go nicely with my gaming graphics card High contrast and 99%+ sRGB for my wife's photo editing, HDR (toggle-able?) for fun because its so dang sexy.. Picture by picture, allowing mixed inputs, so I can break it up into multiple smaller screens as necessary If this monitor existed, I'd have at least one. I'd never have to upgrade again. What would you do different if you got to design one?

Edit: less a "refresh" and more of a next gen altogether. This is what I'M excited to hear about. I've been holding out as long as I can for an x299 build. I'm building my computer into a desk this time rather than a case, am in no rush, so I don't want to get an x99 build just before x299 comes out. Even if feature wise there isn't much difference, for me and my work, its an investment, and worth the wait having something that can (if necessary) be upgraded later rather than something that will only ever be as good as it was when I first put it together.

4K tv prices have dropped a lot, though, to be fair. When I bought my 47" 1080p TV, I spent $800 or so and it wasn't even a smart TV. Sure this was a few years ago, but 4K was a brand new concept to the consumer market and there were smart tvs available. My mom just bought her first TV (she had been using one of those super old CRT screen for YEARS) and she got a 4K smart TV for $600. If you are buying a TV, chances are you are planning on spending $400+, and there are 4K options in that price range, some over 50". If you can afford tech that is becoming more and more mainstream and supported across the board, even though you might not get many immediate benefits at the time of purchase, why would you not get the best you can afford? It seems silly to insist that someone sticks to 1080p indefinitely. I can see a huge difference between a 1080p youtube video on my 1080p screen compared to that same 1080p video on a 4K screen. its not life or death crazy, but its noticeable.

I said they were similar in quality.

I apologize for misinterpreting. So basically.. in terms of Mobos, the features offered on X99 and Z270 are likely to be near identical in feature quality, with X99 generally offering more quantity, and then the new things that new chips support (which still haven't really been mentioned, but I did see an article about Kaby Lake that I'll read in a few minutes) that the older chips don't support, which may or may not make a difference when comparing how the two chipsets generally perform..

I did read about the upped # of PCI-E lanes, but the X99 already has that one-upped. Are there not already Z170 boards that have all those features?

irrelevant to the discussion, because the CPU is not the topic. The Z series CPUs from the 4790K+ all perform near identically with marginal improvements between upgrades. They all compare to the current X series CPUs in the same way. There is a noticeable difference in features between X79 and X99, and quite a lot of different features between Z77 and Z270, obviously. But despite being the current generation of X series, it is not "new" in terms of time in the tech world. CPUs per chipset is the obvious difference but cpu performance isn't relevant, I'm thinking of new features that would be on a new motherboard that wouldn't be on an old one. Like upgrades from USB 2 to USB 3 from older generations, and Sata to Sata express, and adding M.2 slots, etc. The new stuff. Goodies that would be (could be) on a Z270 board that aren't already available on the x99 mobos.

I'm aware that they support different chipsets, that is the obvious difference. My question is about what new tech has come out that would be on a Z270 board that wouldn't already be on an X99 board, aside from the "new CPU chipset" which is irrelevant.

Been getting ready to finalize my build plans with an x99 build (but that isn't the topic of discussion, i'm more curious about newer tech), and as far as I know, x99 has all the up to date tech on it.. M.2 slots, USB 3.1 and type-c, Sata express.. all the things that were all the rage seemingly not to long ago. I know that tech advances so quick that things are outdated sometimes even before they are even officially released, but what does Z270 bring to the table that none of the x99 boards already offer? and on a related note, with both Z170 out for a while and Z270 coming up soon, does that mean that the next generation of X___ boards is likely going to be announced soon?

This looks incredibly exciting! Can't wait to see the final product. That MoBo is so sexy!

Okay! Very excellent points. See my computer will be a DAW home recording studio, and having a silent PC is definitely a good goal to strive for. spreading the heat over a huge surface area with many very low RPM fans is much quieter than a few very fast fans. This would also be something to consider when finalizing the layout of the desk I'm building my next PC in.

With how efficient and low running temp new hardware has become, what is the value in watercooling a modern rig aside from aesthetics? what else can you water cool than your GPU and CPU? (well, ram, and in some cases the mobo, but that is literally almost completely an aesthetic only thing. Don't get me wrong, I think watercooling is sick and sexy and I've always dreamed of a full custom watercooling solution, but new hardware continues to run cooler and cooler, and often times you run into stability issues before you run into heat issues when overclocking. If air cooling is more than sufficient, and significantly less expensive, how can you justify spending a large amount of money adding pumps and tubes and stuff? I'm not dissing on watercooling, I'm going to be building a new PC into a homemade desk in the next few months and I would absolutely love to have a sexy watercooling set up, but when I'm already pushing my (generous) budget getting some very high end hardware that doesn't NEED a custom water loop.. how can I convince my wife other than how good it'll look?

Having the right to something and having something are related but very much different. I have the right to own a gun to protect myself and property, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I have a gun. I also have the right to say what i want, to voice my opinion. I don't always have an opinion, and that's just fine. Having the right to internet means that someway or another it has to be available for you if you desire to have it. actually needing and having it are not the same as it being required to be available to you. Now, if they made a law to increase the minimum speed, that is something we'd ALL love.

I actually like the new talent system so much more than the old one. I play feral almost exclusively and dabble in guardian. I used to have two feral specs, one for dps and one for tanking, and there was only two or three talents that were different between the two specs, and they weren't that relevent or interesting anyway. With the new system, The talents I use as feral can be completely different than my buddy who also plays feral. I often switch between different talents on occasion depending on which arena map or battleground i'm playing on. as for sub, well when there isn't new content for a while, and IRL things add up, I let my sub lapse as well, but I did resub for WoD since I bought it when it was announced (even knowing that I'd quite for a while before hand) and I gotta say, it is actually so much better than people give it credit for.

you mean the $20-25 you pay for the box set that includes the original game and the first four expansions, which is on sale for $5 a few times a year, and then the $40-60ish (different versions) for the most recent expansion, which is on sale for $10 a few times a year? I have been on and off with WoW since end of wrath of the lich king. Yes there is voice acting, not for quests givers, but all conversations related to a quest during said quest is voiced out. every cutscene has full voice acting, and everyone you interact with has a fully voiced script, dungeons and raids are fully voiced as well. do you know how big the game file would be if they added even just a single file for quest offers and a single file for turn-ins? I'd have to get a second SSD! In relation to the "news" about this, this is actually the easiest expansion to level in, even the extra 10 levels that are added in the expansion its self. Towards the end of the previous expansion you can get to max level (90) in just a few days. Hours for 10 levels is not that crazy, especially considering that each level on its own takes far less effort to reach than a single level in other expansions, even after the experience requirements were nerfed for old content. I'm not able to sit down and play a game that many hours in that short of a time period due to IRL stuff, but I won't deny having done it a few times with a few different games at some point when my free time allows, and anyone who's ever "gamed" should be able to admit that they too have sat down and played a game for more than 6 hours at a time. Besides, people will hit max level just by playing the game. Them playing through the initial part of the expansion in a few hours isn't news or surprising at all. This would be far more interesting if the biggest baddest bad guy had been killed on hard mode hours after launch. reaching maximum level isn't difficult. Honestly I think bigger news is the stability of their servers with so many people trying to play at once. At launch there was the most hilarious lag I've ever experienced and servers were crashing and resetting over and over all night. They lowered the population cap of how many people can be on a server at any given time which solved the crash and lag issue, but isn't the most optimal fix as it has resulted in HUGE queue times just to log in. Many people who play on the most popular servers have had time to log in, sit in queue, go to work, come back home that evening, cook dinner, tuck the kids into bed and kiss the wife good night and still be able to browse the interwebs before they can actually log in. That is a far bigger issue than people staying up all night enjoying what is likely their favorite game. When the phrase repetitive comes up.. I chuckle. what game isn't the same few (or many) mechanics for the entire duration of the game? FPS.. point and click. even "objectives" in FPS games are basically "push X for cutscene." Minecraft, you destroy blocks, you place blocks, you build the same blocks over and over and over, yet this is more popular than many popular games combined and IMO quite fun. I run a server for family and friends. RTS is the same few factions fighting the same few factions on the same (relatively few) maps fighting for the same few resources and the same few goals. hell even mario was just run and jump on/over stuff, with the occasional fire ball that let you kill something without having to jump. These games are all repetitive. its the opponent playing differently than the previous opponent that results in the variety. From what I'm reading here on these forums, almost everyone saying bad things about the game have either never tried to play, barely tried to play and never really gave it a chance, or tried to play when it wasn't at the quality it is at now. I played casually for a few hours last night (I've been on a break for a few months before hand) and I will likely stay subbed for quite some time, this expansion (if you can log in and play it) is quite fun and the only bad reviews it deserves aren't for the game itsself but for the issues that blizzard is already in the process of fixing long term.

HA! I cracked up at the security guard playing hearthstone!

Another reason whey I too went x99, look at your estimated wattage. A full build estimated at <450.