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Community feedback with more than 15,000 responses clearly and overwhelmingly let WOTC know that their licensing changes are unacceptable. Kyle Brinks announced that not only will they be leaving the original OGL in place, they will be licensing SRD 5.1 under the most open Creative Commons By 4.0 license leaving it up to users to use whichever licensing method they prefer. Huge win! Quotes My thoughts This is a huge win for the whole tabletop community and anyone who enjoys the content created because of it. I think many other companies in similar spaces are going to be taking this as a learning experience. This time, we said no to the horse armour DLC. This also frees up many companies and creators to invest in the space with assurances of not having the rug instantly pulled out from under their feet at any point with D&D 5e content creation. It's almost the exact opposite of being a youtube content creator. Time will tell if they continue this choice when they publish new editions of D&D but for now, all is good. Sources https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1439-ogl-1-0a-creative-commons

for reference, with 12v rgb, I have corsair(commander pro + led strips and fan control), asus (mobo), coolermaster(case led's), ekwb (led's for my waterblocks and res) and evga(gfx) all working together. coolermaster 12v is compatible with asus, asus is now (within the last year) compatible with corsair icue as long as aura is installed and icue can also control evga rgb. jacknet rgb sync handles the niceties of making all of them play nice together. However, having it all connected the way I do, rgb control becomes limited to the lowest common denominator for control so I can't use some of the really cool effects some of the devices are capable of, but I can completely control it all in iCUE. It's been a while since I set it up but basically jacknet changes some of the signal order info to translate different rgb signals to work nicely and I found it useful. I know this isn't strictly about your setup, but I'm sure you'll be able to manage something similar.

This caught my eye since Blackberry is near and dear to my Canuck heart. " Outside of the TV market, TCL isn't a very well-recognized company. Many find themselves surprised to learn that it develops and produces a significant number of smartphones under names like Blackberry, Alcatel, and Thomson. " https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/09/06/tcl-plex-ifa-announcement-hands-on/

@tikker At the time of posting I wouldn't say I didn't want to discuss it, @NumLock21 made a calm and informative post dealing with that and that was really cool. It was ashleys unnecessarily snarky post that made me reconsider my interest in the topic and put me in troll mode.

@SpencerC Comprising "most of the market" does not mean the same thing as "the only thing" on the market. Again, I wasn't talking about mainstream market or mainstream boards. I'm not even saying every board should stop making Sata ports tomorrow. Everything else is moving forward and SATA isn't. Is it because it can't or because computer component manufacturers have accepted what a couple of you can't and that is that Sata is a dinosaur. Admittedly, my original post doesn't explicitly state that nor does it explicitly state that I'm looking at it from an enthusiast standpoint. That's my bad. I do feel I clarified my intent in later comments though. @tikker As I said to Spencer, my original post didn't do a great job of communicating the intent of my post, but it was less about combining specific connectors, I just used usb as a (albeit poor, I suppose) example of a way of helping Sata go gently into that good night.

@SpencerC 16 pcie lane limit IS imaginary. Seriously, completely imaginary. You know that the 8700K isn't the only CPU on the market, right?

@SpencerC PCIE 4 is already released as a standard and 5 is in 2019. It's still only a footnote to the fact that both intel and amd have hedt solutions that allow for plenty of PCIE NVME drives and lanes for "other" features. Once again, usb wasn't the the point, it was an example. Substitute thunderbolt, substitute whatever you want. The point is Sata is a one-trick old pony that needs to give up and start going away.

That's not even taking into account that PCIE 4 is pretty much here although with PCIE 5 around the corner I doubt we're going to see a lot of PCIE 4. Considering that pcie 4 is double pcie 3 and pcie 5 is double pcie 4, odds are good that a current NVME drive is only going to need 1 pxie lane at pcie 5 so ultimately that "hog" point is moot.

I thought we were talking enthusiast grade, not mainstream so I don't think the "most consumers" argument applies anyway... Imagine if you could just put 4 nvme drives on an adapter card and put it in a x16 slot and have a cpu that had more than your imaginary limit of 16 pcie lanes... Imagine if there was even a motherboard that could be configured to accept that configuration, whoah. But you're the "expert" so I must have my facts wrong because obviously more than 16 pcie lanes on a cpu would be too difficult to bother with the extra "engineering effort." ATA was mainstream give or take for 11 years, Sata has been mainstream for 13. Yes, it's old. Sata 3 is 9 years old. Imagine running a 9 year old graphics card. lol Nvme isn't just the shiny new cool toy. It's the beginning of the end for sata. I'm so young that I remember when EIDE was released, but I get it, you're old so you forget things like how originally you could only have 2 ATA drives connected to your motherboard. I think that's all the "experts" imagined people could afford or even be able to use. But I'm just a layperson, what do I know *shrug* Regarding your second comment about USB, you should note that my original post was talking about the idea of *future* usb standards and implementations. Again, simply using USB ports as an example for potential replacements for sata ports. Obviously, the existing method doesn't work, and wouldn't be efficient. There are less well known standards out there that do allow for better mass storage over USB than the protocol you're referring to. I suspect it wouldn't be impossible to rework USB to find a more efficient way to provide support for it than currently exists but that's mostly irrelevant since that wasn't the real point.

By all means though, I'm always ready to learn more, please elaborate on the typical cpu utilization of both standards and the inherent inefficiencies of usb mass storage Oh, to clarify, please explain how using sata protocol over usb would invoke the usb mass storage protocol (if it was fully integrated)

I threw usb out there more as a "something else useful" more than BY GOLLY I DEMAND USB. I did learn some interesting things in the process but by no means do I specifically pin my hopes and dreams on usb & sata integration. I can see how the original post might have given that impression though. I mean, really it could be anything that would allow backwards compatibility but still be useful to people who have moved on to modern storage standards. Preferably something that is gaining popularity and usefulness rather than stagnating.

Dear Enthusiasts, we understand that being able to choose how your computer uses it's resources more effectively makes you happy. So, we've integrated sata with USB so that if you want to use slow, antiquated technology, you can but with the flexibility of an updated connector and technology so that if you have embraced modern storage systems, you can still find a use for the ports we've populated your motherboard with. Can't afford enthusiast grade storage? No problem, simply use an dongle to adapt your existing Sata drives to USB just like people used to do to connect their equally obsolete IDE drives to Sata when it was orginally introduced.

@NumLock21 but imagine USB 3.x having sata and sata power built in with hotplug... I think it would be sick and super flexible too bad that'll likely never happen. I'd really love to see the decline of sata ports on enthusiast boards. Such a waste. PCIE NVME or bust

@NumLock21 That's really cool. I personally despise and completely avoid laptops and don't follow them so I wasn't aware this existed. I wonder what killed it. I'm gonna have to do some googling.

Question: Why isn't anyone talking about merging SATA and USB? Considering that the number of pins required for SATA power and data is less than USB C for example and the data capabilities of newer USB standards could do it, why not do away with mobo SATA connectors and replace them with USB headers. Still have an old SATA device? No problem, plug a SATA adapter onto a horizontal locking USB header. Don't use SATA at all? Great now you have a ton of USB headers. I know I definitely need more USB headers on my mobo than SATA. Why is this not a thing already? Slimline SATA power only provides 5v. Maybe the current implementations of USB wouldn't be able to do it, but I think say USB 3.3 that would be a really good idea. I'm sure there are technical hurdles that would need addressing but I'm sure it's doable.