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It is not quite as bad as all that. my i7-2600 with a bclk OC is still comparable in performance with an i5-6600. As much as we all would like maximum this and fastest that it still all boils down to "good enough". The only people who are obsessed with bottlenecks and complain about them in the real world of having to pay for the performance they have are the ones whos expectations do not match the reality of what is in front of them, mostly through ignorance
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Bottlenecks appear in every system, even an overclocked i7-6950X with a water cooled Titan XP bottlenecks AAA games. The system will prevent you getting 200FPS in certain tilles, limiting you to only 180. They are certainly a thing if you are benchmarking a new graphics card for review. An overkill CPU will push what bottlenecks there are to the GPU to show the max performance it can get. They are also a thing if you are explaining to mr i5-2400 why his rig does not match his GTX 1080 expectations in gaming frame rates. I don't think that Mr I can only afford a pentium right now and I am going to upgrade to an i7 skylake when I have the cash so I adjust my expectations accordingly or mr I am waiting for Ryzen and got a great 1080 deal in the mean time are worrying about bottlenecks in their current rigs anyway.
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I am not going to get into an AMD fanboy discussion. Dual gpus, while giving you good performance when they have the opportunity to do so have more potential for problems. Not all games support SLI or Crossfire so even if the vendor is prepared to create drivers, if the game developers don't write the game to support it you are out of luck. It has nothing to do with AMD vs nvidia. Besides, why start off with a solution that is intrinsically compromised? It does make sense if you have an existing card already and need a boost in performance and are prepared to exchange lower cost for more compromises. If you can afford the higher end card now, you delay the need to compromise too much now and still have the option to take that path later when the higher end card has dropped in price
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crosfire working in every title?
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2x rx480 has the potential to be a bit faster however, Crossfire cards are not supported in all games and also suffer from micro stutter and other anomolies. The single 1070 slightly less powerful but still a beast, is supported fully in all games and does not suffer the same stutter problems associated with dual GPU setups. I would go with the 1070 for the smoother experience
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gtx1080 lag spikes, stuttering, low fps , no hdmi sound
GTBTK replied to McSnuggles321's topic in Graphics Cards
Other then updating the bios if applicable and making sure you have all the drivers updated. I would suggest that you try activating Message Signaled Interrupt mode on your graphics card. That will stop the GPU from sharing interrupts with other devices and should help with any latency issues that it may be causing your stuttering To do that you need to do the following: Make a restore point before you make any changes Find your video cards' hardware ID. Open device manager. Find your video card under display adapters. Right click it, and go to properties. Go to the details tab. On the drop-down list, choose hardware ID. You will search for this hardware ID soon. Open regedit (windows key + R). Navigate to hkey_localmachine\ system\ currentcontrolset\ enum\ pci. Find the hardware ID for your video card. Go deeper until you find Device Parameters into that key, until you find Device Parameters and, within that, Interrupt Management. Right click Interrupt Management and choose 'new key'. Name it "MessageSignaledInterruptProperties". Go into the new folder, and then right click on the white space in the right panel. Create a DWORD 32-bit called "MSISupported". Double click this new DWORD and set the value of to 1. Restart your computer. -
oops, I just realized that you responded to someone else....
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I cant find any evidence of an nvidia monopoly on HBM2. Can you point me in the right direction?
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Samsung and Hynix are both manufacturing HMB2 now and have been publicly manufacturing it since last August. As far as I am aware, the only device using it to date is the p100 tesla that I cant imagine is all that high volume
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If your budget is RX480, it is unlikely that there will be anything announced in the next little while that will be competitive at that level. Rumor has it that 1080TI and Vega based high end cards are coming soon
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another option that may save you some money is to have a look at a 980Ti that is on clearance sale. similar performance and If you can pick one up for around $300 you save $100 while only compromising a little in async compute performance. If they are the same price though, go with a 1070
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a 4.4G overclocked 2600K will give you similar performance to an i5-6600. Somewhere around a 10300 physics score in Firestrike 720W is more than enough.
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Your bios will probably have somewhere to save the profile in a section called tools or something similar. I dont know what MB you are actually running but Google will be your friend there in researching specific bios settings. Reducing CPU voltages will not break your hackintosh, it may make teh computer unstable if you go too far but then If you saved the settings you are running now, you can always go back to settings that you know work, even if they run hot
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Before the Bios Update, I could only get the memory up to +400 before it started checkerboard artifacting and crashing the PC. Post bios update my card will run fine to just under +600 before I start seeing overclocking artifacts. I suspect that you will be pleased. In my experience, memory OC works wonders for gpgpu processing. Graphics cards are effectively small super computers by themselves. GPUs need instructions on how to work just as much as the main CPU does.
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MSI 1070 Gaming X has maximum bios power limits the range from 230W to 291W. The reality is that in a 4K test you can get to 230W but getting close to 291W is only really possible using furmark
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Sure. You need ver 4.3 of After burner. Sounds like you have micron Ram and need to install the bios update you can get here https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/support/GEFORCE-GTX-1070-GAMING-X-8G.html#down-bios You can access the curve by clicking the little bar graph icon or by pressing Ctrl-F
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Who knows what will be around in 12-18 months? I would be interested to see how the 980Ti compares to the 1070 in GPGPU rendering performance. I have never had the chance to do a comparison. Make sure that you check and see what sort of memory you have. If you have Micron memory and the Bios is 86.04.26.00.XX then you need to do the bios update to fix the micron bug in that bios version GPU boost 2.0 in the 980Ti is a bit more predictable as it involves less variables than GPU 3.0 in the 1070 Afterburner 4.3 is better than precision XOC for fine tuning and managing the curve. If you just use the sliders they are both pretty much the same. Remember Jay is a peripheral part of the EVGA marketing machine so the Precision is part of the subliminal marketing message. Precision add benefits if you are using EVGA cards because it enables extra features like Kboost that you wont get with the MSI card Try this on the 1070 and see how your performance compares to the 980Ti. Voltage +100 Power Limit +126 Temp +92 Core +50 Memory to +500 Open the curve window and drag the .975 point up to 2012Mhz and the 1.093 point up to 2088 so you end up with a curve with a double hump. Then see how it performs. If you crash, pull the .975 point back down to 1999Mhz and try again. if it still crashes pull the 1.093V point down to 2076Mhz
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I am running i7-2600 non K overclocked to 4.4Ghz with a 1070 and I can do 20600 graphics score and 10300 physics in firestrike. I have seen that an ivy bridge i5-3570 will score similar graphics scores with a 7500 physics score so I would image that 8000-8500 should be achievable with your haswell chip. While a 6700K with PCIe 3.0 could allow slightly higher graphics scores and better CPU related scores, My rig still fits into the good enough category to not have any immediate need to upgrade CPU. if you are only going to be doing 1080P @ 60Hz games, a 1060 should be fine for most games. A 1070 will not help if you are running CPU intensive games where you will see a hit to framerates compared to say a 6700K rig but I would think that you should still be in that "good enough" category for the time being
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The performance between the two different models are similar in most current situations. They will swap places in benchmarks as you have already observed. GPU boost 3.0 is different in pascal cards and you have a learning curve to maximize the benefits you can get from overclocking. You will find that through experimentation, your 1070 performance will improve as you discover better tweaks over time. You do have more OC performance available when you master the curve that you don't have access to with the 980TI. Maximum frequency at one point on the curve, while impressive for bragging rights, is less important for performance than maximizing the stable values of all points on the curve. I get better performance at 2088 with higher midrange levels than I can get with a default curve with 2151Mhz at 1.093v Benefits that the 1070 does give you though is lower power usage, lower heat management issues, Asynchronous Compute compatibility that you don't get with Maxwell cards. This will become more important over time as more Games are developed to run with DX12 natively.
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I don't have time to read all the sections here. This is the Graphics card forum and It was not reported here for people looking for RX460 graphics card information. I post here and try and assist people learn about GPU related things. I benefit very little from what other people post here. It is idiotic posts like you one that help keep the collective IQ of Tech forums so low.
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what?
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Hi all, Just found this on-line relating to unlocking extra shaders on an RX 460 cards. It has been tested on Sapphire and ASUS cards. Possibly also works on other branded cards as well. I do not have an RX card to test it on however, this guy is pretty big in the professional overclocking world if you have not heard of him. Bios download link http://overclocking.guide/amd-radeon-rx-460-unlocking-1024-stream-processors/
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The auto overclocking utilities usually set voltage much higher than it needs to be and that will cause higher temps. I suggest that you go into the bios, save your existing OC profile so you can go back to it if you have a problem and then set the CPU core voltage to 1.3 volts, save and reboot. if it boots run a stress test. if it passes you are gold. if it fails and wont boot, reset the bios to defaults, boot into the bios and load your saved profile then set the voltage to 1.31 volts and try again, keep going increasing the voltage one step at a time until you get a voltage runs stable in a stress test. After that, you should find you are running lower temps under load
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Im running my 1070 with an i7-2600 that I have overclocked up to 4439Mhz. It runs fine and give similar benchmark performance to a stock i5-6600. (10300 Physics score in Firestrike). You also have the added benefit of PCIe 3.0 so you should be able to do at least as well as that.
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maximum resolution that a single pascal card can support is 7680x4320@60Hz. That is potentially 16 x 1080p monitors in a 4x4 grid or 4x4K monitors. I have never tried this but it may actually work if the hubs can make windows think that each group of 4 1080p monitors was a single 4K monitor
