Maxxtraxx

3 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Honestly, just make a topic when you're ready to upgrade. At the end of the year it's likely that a new Nvidia lineup will be released. Prices also regularly change.

 

This

3 hours ago, tdkid said:

well that was actually your opinion first. 1. buy the card you want for the reasons you want it.(performance in your game choices, brand, styling, RGB, cooler performance, personal preference, ect)

 

I was agreeing with you on that

 

as for a mechanic thing me too. I repair my own cars because I know how to by working as a repo agent and at a used car dealership and auto auction. I have been in the repo business for 15 years now. let me guess, most of those used GPU purchases from places like facebook market place or ebay? that is kind of what I am talking about, with those its buyer beware and you never know what you are going to get as the person could literally leave the area and never be seen again.

Glad to hear there are others with a sense of ownership for their vehicles, take care of them and repair of the vehicles themselves.

Most of my GPU purchases have been via craigslist, meet in person, test the card, inspect the card and buy if everything checks out. 2 or 3 have been ebay. I agree there is an unknown factor and less accountability that requires more checks before cash is exchanged.

Also, please forgive my first sentence in the previous post, I was annoyed and I let it affect what I wrote negatively, I was classless and unkind.

32 minutes ago, tdkid said:

well first off, you are never going to be smarter than me in that field because I am a repo agent, and have worked for a used car dealer and a driver at an auto auction so I know what I am talking about when I say don't buy used. cars, bikes, RV and other big items have a physical location where you can complain to them and possible get your money back. buying used computer parts is mostly handled online where once you buy something you are pretty much stuck with it because you will have a 30 day warranty on some components that starts the day you buy it, not the day you get it so a week for it to ship and get to you is one less week of your warranty if they give you one at all.

 

and to the OP.

 

don't let me saying never scare you. maxxtraxx is right, buy the GPU that you are comfortable with and you like the most. its your system after all and those decisions can only be made by you. I just know that I will never by anything used for my computer because I am not technically advanced enough to figure out what the problem is.

 

 

You are welcome to your opinion... but proclaiming yourself the smartest person that you know on a given subject is a good way to ensure others have a low opinion of you.

As a automotive mechanic of 12 years who has owned nothing but used cars averaging over 100k miles my entire driving and working life and also having handled 80% of the above listed used GPU purchases in person and not online while using due diligence and common sense my personal actual experience is contrary to yours in both matters. Most buying used done online I would propose is done on ebay? which I have also less frequently done, ebay does have buyer protections in place. Nothing is perfect, including new parts, but common sense, due diligence and reasonable protections are all part of the game.

I do agree with your opinion on buying the GPU that OP is most comfortable with.

My AOC monitor is Gsync compatable but is not on Nvidia's recommended Monitor list and it works flawlessly. So my experience has been excellent.

1 minute ago, axelrod971 said:

As it is "coming" won't it be better to wait for the next generation then? AMD has also claimed that their GPU's will also support hardware Ray Tracing. I guess waiting would be best at this point in time.

Waiting is a valid option. FYI you could be waiting till Q3 or Q4 of this year to get Nvidias new cards. I'm currently very happy with my card and the current RTX cards are not a compelling upgrade for me... lots more price for not much more performance, IMO.

If you're willing to wait for the new cards there will be more options: 1. the new cards will be available if you want them and they're not sold out.  2. current RTX used cards will drop in price 3. 1000 series GTX cards will drop even more in price.

If you're not willing to wait, get the best single card that you like, that fits your budget and does what  you want.

1 hour ago, tdkid said:

well first off NEVER buy used because you do not know why the person is selling the card or retuned it so their problem could soon become yours. the second thing is that linus posted a video on youtube back in Dec. in which he compared all of the best GPUs from 2019. he was split between the 5700 which was best performer and the 2060 which had the best features but then at just slightly higher in the $500-$550 range the 2070 super came into play and kicked ass over the 5700.

Never buy a used car because you do not know why the person is selling the car. Never buy a used bike because you do not know why the person is selling the bike. Never buy a used xyz because you do not know why the person is selling the xyz.

You're free to your own opinion, as am I. I've bought nothing but used GPU's since my last new purchased card a GTX970. so... gtx760(x2), gtx980(x2), gtx980ti(x3), Titan X, gtx1080(x2), gtx1070(x2), gtx1080Ti, gtx1060 6gb(x2), gtx1060 3gb. all of them have performed flawlessly like the GTX1080Ti currently in my system on a 240mm AIO, some are still in my some friends pc's and some were put into systems that I sold at a later date and some were sold to upgrade to a better card. Proper due diligence is necessary when purchasing anything used, but to make an absolute blanket statement like that is an opinion with personal reasons for it (which is fine) but not necessarily rooted in fact and reality.

To the OP:

1. buy the card you want for the reasons you want it.(performance in your game choices, brand, styling, RGB, cooler performance, personal preference, ect)

2. A used card can be a great deal, due diligence is best practice. See the card perform in games, check temps under load, visibly inspect the card, ask why they're selling. Used 1080Ti's in my area, Philadelphia/Allentown PA I've seen 1080Ti cards recently sell for as low as $300-350 usd (IMO that's a great price).

3. I like Nvidia cards, I've owned 1 ATI card... a long time ago. I love that AMD pushes the market pricing(nvidia) down into reality with competition. I don't love the seemingly semi common problems: driver, black screen, flickering and quality issues with the 5700/5700xt have been plagued with recently.

Edited below for more info:

4. FYI: I've recently been playing mostly AC odyssey, and Overwatch at 1440p with a 144hz freesync/gsync monitor on my 1080Ti clocked at 2ghz with AIO water cooler with a 9900k@5ghz,  3800mhz 2channel ddr4, and NVME ssd. AC odyssey with ultra settings runs primarily in the 60-70fps range, Overwatch at ultra settings will run at 144fps with some drops to 120fps.

3 hours ago, Agonizel said:

Thank you very much for helping me asking myself the right questions. I'll write that down for the future, it's very useful.

1. Here's a list of things: Back in 2017, I started putting my GPU vertically with the Coolermaster GPU Mounting kit to keep it recessed from the glass in order not to choke my GPU. The GPU LEDs started to fade slowly. I moved in September 2019. But no significant upgrade or anything
2. No overheating issues. So heat does not seem to be the bottleneck and the explanation for my reduced performance
3. I'm using a 8700k and 16GB RAM 3200mhz. I have all the latest drivers installed (Geforce, Asus GPU Tweak,...)
4. I ordered a 5700XT, I will be testing this card in my system first. Then I will test the GTX1080 on a friend's PC as well.
5. The PUBG/R6 settings are unchanged

I'll keep you updated with the 5700XT results, then with the test results of the GTX1080 on another system.
 

Buying a new GPU to troubleshoot is... one way to do it.

While playing PUBG:

what is your GPU utilization percentage?

what is your GPU temperature?

what is your GPU boost speed?

what is your CPU clock speed and temperature?

There are a few questions that need asking and answering before you condemn the card as the problem.

1: has anything changed recently or since the last time you took notice of the card's performance.

2: temperatures and usage: is the card overheating and as a result thermal throttling? And is the GPU usage at 100% while playing PUBG. A program like MSI afterburner can answer these questions.

3: Is there something else in the system that could be inhibiting performance? The GPU can only work well if it is being properly and fully fed by the cpu, ram, pcie slot ect.

4: How does your cards current performance compare to the same card in another comparable system?

5: has PUBG changed or your settings in PUBG changed?

These are some of the basic questions that need answering to better determine what exactly is going on.

4 hours ago, Yoinkerman said:

Work isn't a place for your unoriginal opinion on life.  You're there to work

 

Edit: they are literally paying you so they can tell you what to do

You're probably right, it's perfectly fine to discriminate as long as the company approves of it and you're not discriminating against the current crop of preferred ideological individuals.

But I digress, Google is unimpeachable they can do no wrong, if they say he is in error he must be in error.

Though while I do second the motion that you're there to work, however social interactions that happen inside of the place where we spend most of our day are rather unavoidable, and it is rather absurd to assume that social interactions are not apart of work.

Resistance is futile, You will be assimilated, or you can GTFO.

The stories, examples, testimonies seem to trickle out of Google about their internal toxicity towards anyone who does not conform to company standards dictated by the whim and direction of the full time outrage mob made up of some portion of the company workforce.

Google is a private company, they are free to hold whatever values they like and face the consequences. What will the consequences be for an ultra-liberal workforce working in a vacuum chamber of their own ideas where the most extreme is rewarded and dissent is silenced, scared and fired? What does that mean for anyone who holds a conservative world view or even a centrist world view? Well as one who does not hold Google's company vision and world view stance I can say that it is disheartening, disappointing and a little frightening given the level of sway, control and power that Google wields in the ability to control and know what I believe, where I am, what I do and what I say.

If another company were in the opposite position ideologically, what would the response be to similar actions within the company?

So I pose another paper, written by a former google employee that testify's to the internal functioning and the response to what would be considered by many to be a centrist or slight right world view and value system.

This topic is profound to me because I find myself very similar in worldview and belief system to the Author, and to have gone through what he did inside a company as prominent as Google would have left me with the same feelings.

The paper can be found HERE

13 minutes ago, ernie mills said:

Hi,

I'm in the process of building a pc and am really hung up on which graphics card to choose. My two options are the gigabyte rtx 2060 gaming oc pro for $380, and the sapphire vega 64 nitro for $400. All the benchmark testing ive seen the two have gone virtually back and forth, but theoretically the 64 should perform better. I'd be building with the Ryzen 7 2700x. What are your thoughts?

 

Thanks in advance.

That's a tough call with similar performance, on one side:

Ray tracing, Much lower power consumption (160w vs 295w? i think), Freesync support (on supported/quality freesync monitors)

vs

Serious compute advantage(if it helps you at all), full freesync support

If you like them both and can't decide/don't have a preference then pick by Price, Price, Price, looks, cooler performance or some other subjective difference.

1 minute ago, noobCentral said:

Thank you! The radiator is mounted below the block which is a lucky choice I guess. I'm not in the habit of looking into my pc so it would have a leaked more yet go unnoticed for a much longer time had the radiator been up top.

Aye, it means you lost less fluid before the pump starved and the system overheated. Definitely a fortunate occurance.

I guess that would be the one benefit of mounting the radiator below the pump, leaks at the pump will leak less fluid.

I've owned several and never had a leak myself.

1: replace it (I would replace it and then take it apart to attempt to find the source of the leak for my own curiosity)

2: clean the residue up with some alcohol, cotton balls and Q-tips

3: You're very fortunate that the leak did not cause any electrical shorts in the system.

4: just curious, but is your radiator mounted above or below the pump in your system?

I don't custom loop.

I do AIO

I've done AIO modifications (240mm AIO for GPU)

I would do AIO again, it's easy to change parts(i'm somewhat of a GPU swapping regular), provides excellent performance, and is relatively quiet... though not nearly as pretty as a custom loop... but then again who actually wants to marry a princess/supermodel... the money, the work, the drama, it all gets old and busted eventually... but some people enjoy that, kudos to them.

NO, heavens no it's not overkill. If you have the money, desire the exclusivity, would enjoy owning it and don't necessarily care that for the price to capacity decrease/performance increase over other options isn't particularly in it's favor... then why not buy the best performing option? (the buying a 2080Ti is the same argument).

Climate change is real

Climate change has been happening as long as the earth has been around

Climate change will continue to happen for as long as the earth exists

I think the question really is -------->   is our current climate change CAUSED by human actions

My opinion: Climate change is happening, it's primary effecting factors are NOT human related, human actions are minor players in a very VERY large system.

Some of my reasoning:

1: Go read THIS (by the Hoover Institution) It is short and concise and it is a very well reasoned explanation for why the author believes the HUMAN side of things is overblown.

Quotes:

1: "The atmosphere is about 0.8˚ Celsius warmer than it was in 1850. Given that the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has risen 40 percent since 1750 and that CO₂ is a greenhouse gas, a reasonable hypothesis is that the increase in CO₂ has caused, and is causing, global warming."

2: "If someone with a hand-held stopwatch tells you that a runner cut his (400m) time by 0.00005 seconds, you should be skeptical. If someone with a climate model tells you that a 0.036 Wm^–2 CO₂ signal can be detected within an environment of 150 Wm^–2 error, you should be just as skeptical."

3: "The total combined errors in our climate model are estimated be about 150 Wm^–2, which is over 4,000 times as large as the estimated annual extra energy from higher CO₂ concentrations. Can we isolate such a faint signal?"

Yes, google works at times to intentionally hurt other web browsers(edge, firefox, ect) performance through their immense influence over protocols and web traffic.

... they also ditched their motto "don't be evil"

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/the-web-now-belongs-to-google-and-that-should-worry-us-all/

10 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Meshfy C has fantastic airflow, but might be smaller than what you're looking for?

 

Define R6 or define S2 are good choices too

 

If you're budgeted, the Focus G is good, not sure what its radiator support is though.

Meshify C does have great airflow, it is however limited in 3.5in drive space, if that matters to you. It also has a smaller footprint that many ATX cases, which I like.

Keep in mind that an especially large GPU card could have clearance issues with it's length, just check on Fractal's website for maximum supported length compared to your GPU size.

Just for more info, what is the make and model of your GPU. Your GPU seems... hot but that could be an airflow issue you are currently trying to correct.

11 hours ago, p123 said:

What Vsync means and how it affects the perfomance?

Vsync locks your GPU's sequential image production and output (frames per second) to the same rate that the monitor displays them, in many cases that is 60hz, or 60 frames per second.

The up sides are:

there will be no screen tearing: this means without vsync when new image arrives to the display in the middle of posting the previous image it will begin using the new image while still in the middle of posting the previous image on the screen, this means part of the screen will be the first image and part of the screen will be the second image and the images are different so there will be a visible "tear" in the on screen image. Vsync eliminates this tearing by only using one image during every hz or display cycle that the monitor displays.

Vsync is great IMO, but not flexible and can cause stuttering if your PC cannot constantly without interruption feed exactly 60 frames per second to the monitor.

if your PC cannot maintain 60 FPS at all times, then anytime it misses sending the next image the monitor will be forced to use the previously displayed image without any changes, this will cause a hiccup as everything on screen pauses for 2 (or more) images.

It is recommended that you have a PC that is able to deliver a Minimum FPS of 60 for the game at the resolution and graphics settings you have enabled as anytime the PC is unable to provide 60FPS you will experience stuttering.

If you can meet the above requirements and are ok with 60hz/FPS (some people desire 120hz or 240 hz) then Vsync will serve you very well.

Example: i run a 9900k @5Ghz and 1080Ti @2012Mhz with a 1440p 60hz IPS monitor, my pc can quite easily provide more than 60fps in every game I have played and thusly Vsync works great and provides a smooth, tear free experience, and to reduce input lag I also disable additional frame buffering whenever possible in the settings(this means my GPU will not store up completed frames to use in the event that it hits a speed bump and cannot reach the 60FPS for any reason there will be a hiccup... but the GPU is forced to render a new image every time with the current inputs at a rate of 60FPS, this reduces input lag but also raises the possibility of missed frames sent to the monitor)

Good video to watch:

2 hours ago, pstarlord said:

 

13 hours ago, vjizzle2384 said:

ya that what am scared of taking it apart?? If am scared to take apart my memory heatsink to put an RGB headsink i think ill stay away.

 

 

In order to install this cooler onto your GPU, it does require disassembly of the card down to the PCB (the electronics board). in some cases this is as simple as removing the 4 GPU cooler retention screws and unplugging the fans and LED's, there is the possibility that there could be more involved as I am unfamiliar with the current gigabyte coolers.

after removing the old cooler you'll have to install the new cooler, this may require thermal paste application by hand if it does not come pre-spread on the water pump coldplate.

The above steps do require some care and caution, particularly when tightening screws and working around the GPU silicon as unlike a CPU with a heat spreader it is a bare silicon die that if handled roughly or incorrectly could cause damage.

My recommendation, watch a few videos on hybrid GPU cooler installation on youtube and you'll be able to determine if it something you're willing to tackle.

1 hour ago, vjizzle2384 said:

I have a Gigabyte GTX 1080 Windforce 8GB OC, i was looking randomly and saw a AIO for GPU

 

 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA59T7PT9254&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-id-cooling-_-Liquid+%2F+Water+Cooling-_-9SIA59T7PT9254&gclid=Cj0KCQiAmuHhBRD0ARIsAFWyPwi-D0FKF_1OIRMpIzxLRoSNg8kTWpPr0ksWvTOdgdZhEiKUdHRpQFcaAtOlEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

 

Does anyone anything about it? Is it worth it? will if fit my GPU?

It will fit, it will likely lower your temps, is it worth it... if you want to try it and don't mind taking your stuff apart, sure!

2 hours ago, Constantin said:

My only good option in my case (to fit) is the H80I V2, should i go for it will i see that difference from the chart above?

If the H80i is the best performing option on that list that will fit in your case then it would be reasonable to expect an approximately 7deg C drop while overclocked and using a synthetic stress test, the above circumstances being the worst case temperature producing scenario, with lighter, less intense processing loads the temperature difference will not be as great.

16 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Duh obviously, it's a 120mm AiO those have a hard time beating the Hyper 212X already.

air coolers work well, especially good ones. the h80 is similar to the nh-d15 and likely the dark rock.

most high end CPU coolers will perform within a few degrees of one another. the limiting factors becomes the rate heat transfer from the cpu to the cooler and the fact that more cooling surface cant make up for the ever decreasing delta in room temp vs cooler temp

6 hours ago, PCnoobie47 said:

That seems like a turbo graphics card, and from what i have heard the cooling on those cards are dreadful. All i really wanted to know was if the water cooled GPU aircooled CPU would be better than a water cooled CPU aircooled GPU. And i dont mind the price, much cheaper than buying a water block.

The card that i listed is not a "turbo" or "blower" style graphics card, the cooling on the blower style cards is not as good because of the size of the cooling solution compared to the aftermarket solutions. The card i listed is a standard 2 slot internal waste heat producing card.

If you are interested in thermals, there is also a 3 slot solution with a larger cooler (basically as large as most cards get) that can be found here:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487411&Description=2070&cm_re=2070-_-14-487-411-_-Product

If the best possible thermals are your interest, EVGA also makes the Hybrid kit available for purchase to install yourself, they are however currently on backorder due to high demand, but will be available soon.

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-1184-B1

6 hours ago, PCnoobie47 said:

Im not actually looking for an RTX card based on the fact ive been hearing Ray tracing reduces fps most of the time. Correct me if im wrong. And i would preferably have this card based on the fact it is water cooled, should be beer than an aircooled card. Im just not sure if the stock cooler on this would be better than something like the kraken, which it probably isn't but i am getting the cooler GPU. Im trying to find out if its worth it.

The RTX cards have ray tracing hardware built in, BUT they still perform at a higher level than the Pascal cards without ray tracing enabled(only 1 game currently has ray tracing implemented to my knowledge)

ray tracing is also something you must choose to enable, so if you want super fancy lighting then enable it, if you dont... RTX cards still perform better than their GTX counterparts.

as I said in my above post, i would still go with the similarly priced 2070, with the 3 slot cooler, and heck, you can under volt and underclock the 2070 to match the performance of the 1070Ti and it will run miles cooler with the same performance.

then when you're ready, upgrade to the EVGA hybrid kit and crank the overclock all the way to 11.

EVGA is great, the card has excellent cooling, but... it's $547 for a 1070Ti.

If we're talking in the U.S.

I would jump on this first: RTX 2070 for $499.00

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487416&Description=2070&cm_re=2070-_-14-487-416-_-Product