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The fans that came on my H100i GTX were good at static pressure and cooling but were Loud. I replaced them recently with the Fractal Venturi HP line, awesome fans, I highly recommend them.

You can find them ---Here---

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

Which isn't relevant to the fact that the power of a single card, from a 580 to a 980Ti, has grown about 2.2 time over:

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-580/3439vs3150

 

And I think that's a small amount of progression, compared to the norm before the 360 / PS3 console generation. I'm wondering how there really can be something to debate about that.

Well, I think it is Highly relevant, I'm not sure what "Power" is summed up to be, but to drive the level of graphical processing needed to match a 980Ti and provide the same level of performance in a game (i'm not talking folding or theoretical paper numbers here) it would take 3 or 4 gtx580's combined performance(without SLI scaling issues) to match a single gtx980Ti's performance.

So, if 2.2x the power equals 3x to 4x better performance, then yes I agree.

Just looking at some quick pixel fill rate numbers:

8800 = 14.7 Billion pixels/sec

580 = 37 Billion pixels/sec

980Ti = 96 billion pixels/sec

Which one had the largest performance increase? Going by percentage increase from one to the next, the increase is almost identical(if i'm managing to do my math right)

despite the percentage being similar, the sheer amount of data being processed grew by leaps and bounds more from the 580 to the 980Ti.

This despite the change in node size being staggering in the jump from the 8800 to the 580 (90nm vs 40nm = 50nm lithography drop) compared to the 580 to the 980ti(40nm vs 28nm = 12 nm lithography drop).

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

 

A 580 to 980Ti is like 5 years to achieve just 2.2 times the performance. That's not all that great. Graphics technology progression really slowed down with the 360 / PS3 console generation, as everything was targeted for those machines - and the major slowdown in graphics tech progression hasn't stopped from then until now. I was hoping Pascal / Polaris would finally be the end of it, but Nvidia seem to be really dragging their feet on doing anything meaningful for graphics power. The new normal is is all about milking consumers with minimal progression, while the consequence is that graphics could have been more than twice what they are at this point, if the 360 / PS3 slowdown hadn't occurred.

Seen JayzTwoCents video? ---Here---

I'd say the gains have been pretty significant especially given the lack of smaller manufacturing nodes over the past few years.

Simply putting two 580's together does not equal the playability of a 980Ti.

53 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

 

A 580 to 980Ti is like 5 years to achieve just 2.2 times the performance. That's not all that great. Graphics technology progression really slowed down with the 360 / PS3 console generation, as everything was targeted for those machines - and the major slowdown in graphics tech progression hasn't stopped from then until now. I was hoping Pascal / Polaris would finally be the end of it, but Nvidia seem to be really dragging their feet on doing anything meaningful for graphics power. The new normal is is all about milking consumers with minimal progression, while the consequence is that graphics could have been more than twice what they are at this point, if the 360 / PS3 slowdown hadn't occurred.

well, a 780Ti is roughly equal to a gtx970... which when put into SLI is a bit more powerful than a 980Ti... so from 780ti to 980ti is maybe 1.7x the performance? not quite double but thats darn impressive on the same manufacturing node!

6 hours ago, ivan134 said:

No thanks. I'd rather have more performance for the same wattage. We're talking about having one less light bulb in your house worth of savings.

Agree on the performance on the same wattage... but i've fully switched over to LED bulbs sooo.... at 7 watts per bulb (lets say 150 watts reduction(1/2 of 300watts) that puts me at 21 light bulbs of more power usage)

2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Its just annoying that's all and another problem that I want to sort out or at least find the cause of.

100% agreed, I would be incredibly annoyed by the problem as well. I am however, out of ideas at the moment. Sorry.

2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

The Gen 2.0 lanes run from the chipset, the top slot is the only one that uses lanes from the CPU, and as a result runs at x16, though only with my GTX 650ti plugged in.

Gen 2.0 lanes are through the chipset, but, there are other peripherals that use pci-e 3.0 lanes. I'm assuming by your comment that that implies you have no other devices using pcie 3.0 lanes.

HOWEVER, regardless of whether the card is operating at 16x or 8x

with PCI-E 3.0... it will NOT affect GPU performance

remember, in SLI or X-fire the GPU's operate at 8x with NO reduction in performance. PCI-e 3.0 at 8x simply has more bandwidth than a GPU needs to communicate with the CPU.

2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

It was running at x8 on that, just like all of my other PCIe motherboards (and I'm not using that motherboard as it needs a sound card since the onboard audio died).

He's saying to NOT use gpu-z to detect the pci-e lanes, but instead checking the pci-e setup in the BIOS.

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

Run the gpu with the Z97 Mark 2. In the bios there should be this gpu detect option and it should tell you what speed the gpu is running at.

This... is a good idea!

3 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

The fans on it at load actually sound good, while those used by Gigabyte on all Windforce coolers (at the very least from the 600 series and onward) whine.

I'm using the H87M Pro at the moment, its got 1x PCIe 3.0 x16, 2x PCIe 2.0 x1, and 1x PCIe 2.0 x16 @ x2 (x4 with the x1 slots disabled).

the number of pci-e slots is not what the concern was, the processor and the chipset are limited to only 16 useable pci-e lanes of communication. so the 16x slot will only work at 16x if there are no other pci-e cards/peripherals/M.2 drives/ect in the system, otherwise it will operate at 8x.

47 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

^Title^, and this is another problem that's popped up with my GTX 970. (Other problems are; hitting 77^oC at stock, only overclocking to 130MHz fully stable-low ASIC score, loud fans under load). The motherboards that have been tested are:

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H87MPRO/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_Deluxe/

https://www.asus.com/au/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z97_MARK_2/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_Turbo/

My GTX 650ti OC 2GB runs at x16 on all of them, so its not the motherboard.

My apologies, I completely missed(not sure how) that you had tried it on multiple Motherboards already.

One other thing that pops into my head, you're not running any other peripherals on the PC that would use any PCI-E lanes? Because even Z97 is limited to only 16 PCI-E lanes and any device that takes even one of those lanes will force the Graphics card to drop to 8x.

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Doesn't prove anything. My MSI GTX 970 100ME Limited Edition went 1530mhz core/ 8005mhz memory without adding any voltage at all and barely passed 70 degrees while being barely audible. The fact that a G1 970 isn't "the best" 970 is pretty obvious though, you can't argue with that.

Exactly! One bad card does not prove that every G1 sucks. I would argue that ANY GTX970 from ANY major manufacturer has the potential to be the BEST GTX970 it is the silicon lottery after all... anyone anywhere could potentially end up with the best GTX970 simply due to luck.

6 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Welcome to Gigabyte G1 Gaming... "The best GTX 970" according to some people on the forum when I keep saying it's not.

I had 2 GTX 970 G1's, both overclocked to more than 1500 mhz with only a few mv of core voltage. Both were quiet and stayed cool(less than 70c for the bottom card and less than 80c for the top card).

Don't judge an entire lineup of cards sold by the thousands because of a small batch of bad experiences, some of which may not even be the card's fault.

35 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

^Title^, and this is another problem that's popped up with my GTX 970. (Other problems are; hitting 77^oC at stock, only overclocking to 130MHz fully stable-low ASIC score, loud fans under load). The motherboards that have been tested are:

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H87MPRO/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_Deluxe/

https://www.asus.com/au/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z97_MARK_2/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_Turbo/

My GTX 650ti OC 2GB runs at x16 on all of them, so its not the motherboard.

Have you tried putting the card in another motherboard? or using a different pci-e 16x slot?

Wow, some really intense animosity just got poured out there. He likes his headphones...

If you're an audio engineer and can KINDLY give some advice and recommendations instead of just ripping him a new hole for his choice of headphone and attacking his product choices.

Such hubris, try some humility on for size.

12 minutes ago, Darkseth said:

Congratulations. You payed 350 Bucks for something, that gets Destroyed by an 150€ stereo headphone.

 

Gaming headsets are a plain Joke, even more if they are Wireless  80% Marketing, 20% product.

 

Believe me, i know what i'm talking about here...

Well, i'm going to side with Linus here. The Asus x99 ws(workstation) boards may be a real sweet spot for x99 performance and durability.

Higher amounts of vram are always preferable but not always an issue. Some games will take advantage of more vram while others will not. The 380 should be powerful enough to take advantage of 3-4gb of vram.

43 minutes ago, JHyunS06 said:

Ok. I am going to try to mount 3 drive cage on the top and remove the 5 drive cage one. 

 

And possibly flip the PSU as well. I will update this thread on how it turned out!

 

Thanks a lot for the help. 

Nice to know

 

Is your card OCed at the moment?

 

What what fan did you get?

Actually.. I would leave the 3 drive cage in that spot and just remove the 5 drive cage since your fan is mounted behind the 5 drive cage at the moment.

Also, fyi there are 2 2.5inch drive mounts behind the motherboard if you want to move the ssd back there for more 3.5inch drive space.

The best place to add a fan for more graphics card air flow would be on the bottom of the case in front of the psu.

 I replaced the stock evga fan with fractal dynamic GP-12 ---here--- my personal favorite fans.

Mine is overclocked at the moment with a custom bios to allow for higher voltages and power limit. Currently running over 1500mhz and under 70 deg C at full load.

34 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

son, you have absolutely ZERO air intake on that...no fans pushing air to your graphic card...no wonder it run hot...remove the middle HDD rack and instal fans there instead! Install another fan on the floor of your case right next to your psu pusing air into the card...this will help a lot too.

Actually, it's a fractal design r5. There is at least 1 140mm fan in the front that comes factory and space for 2 140mm fans The fans mount from the front and are behind the front case door. If you look closely you can see it peaking out behind the middle drive cage.

27 minutes ago, xHexPC said:

So I wonder if adding an 80mm radiator to my system could cool a GTX 750 Ti from Zotac(Slight overclocking) Also if yes can you guys suggest me a gpu block? And other components to make the idea come true? I would like to have my two fans(Yes, two) in a push pull configuration if this is possible. Thanks

 

The 750Ti is a very power efficient card and seeing as it's not considered to be a high end card and has very low cooling requirements... a radiator and block would be technically possible but... kinda silly.

10 minutes ago, StuckOnDetail said:

Well would it be safe to do that voltage and what not on my air cooled version? I guess so as long as the temps are good but I do not have a modded bios. I have gpuz but I couldn't find where it showed the ASIC rating 

When it comes to increasing voltage, the primary concern you'll have is temperatures, so you can safely increase clocks and voltages so long as your temperatures stay reasonable. EVGA has a quality cooler so you should have some headroom to work with.

To find your asic value with gpu-z, after you open the program, right click on the top bar of the gpu-z program window, inside the drop down menu you'll see "Read ASIC quality" towards the bottom of the list.

The asic quality can be gotten with GPU-Z, the basic meaning behind asic quality is that the higher the asic generally the higher overclock can be had with lower extra voltage, while a lower asic will tend to need more voltage to achieve the same clocks

However, in some cases a lower asic chips(also sometimes called "leaky chips") will respond better to higher voltages than a lower asic value and can thus be overclocked more so long as a cooler is used that can handle WAY more than stock heat generation.

I would recommend maxing out the power limit(which you did) and then turning up the voltage(I'm running 1.274v currently HOWEVER i'm using a modded bios and liquid cooling to keep temperatures down) and trying to use extra voltage to achieve higher clockspeeds.

Watch your temperatures though, you'll want to keep them reasonable when under full GPU load(IMO under 80 degrees C)

have you bumped the core voltage at all? higher frequencies do require higher voltages to maintain stability.

and remember, any card is only guaranteed to get the clocks it comes with from the factory, anything over that is more icing on the cake.

Graphics score of 19700 is about right I would say.

I'm currently hitting about 21900 with a bit more GPU horsepower on my main system.

With that number being pretty good it sounds like your CPU might be scoring a bit low.

That score seems a bit low

My second PC: i5-2500k @4.5ghz and a GTX980 overclocked to 1400Mhz

currently scores 12,176

Remember, your firestrike score is a combination of CPU and GPU scores so it is not solely GPU benchmark

Also witcher 3 is also a pretty heavily CPU intensive title, in some games an i7 can free up more GPU legroom.

the Z170 board uses the Z170 chipset, which is the best/highest featured/most options/highest performance chipset for the current 6th gen Intel CPU's.

sooo... Z170 is the best choice if possible.

It's a speaker, and it uses speaker wire. Its a simple pair of wires that runs from the speaker to the home theatre setup. To use the speakers with speaker wire you would also need a device that outputs through speaker wire.(figured I'd say it, seems kinda obvious I know)