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Some miscellaneous benches (£,Rx460,1050ti,iGPU)
MerkBertmern replied to MerkBertmern's topic in Graphics Cards
Just incase someone else ever decides to check this; replies seem to be missing the main crux of the matter, maybe because I didn't explain it or they didn't check the first intro page on the spreadsheet. These are not intense benchmarks. This is about relative performance on casual/older games on the low end. the notion that these are trying to be "impressive" in a vacuum is a bit silly. They are (very rough) use cases for a cheaper or lower power machine. I didn't have enough to do more benchmarks, hence I only ran about 4 games. Using a higher power card not only defeats the point of lower power, it was not physically possible (on the spreadsheet, you can see I'm on a 160W psu with no external power connectors). Finally, this wasn't meant to be a recommended build. It was "given 3 GPUs that are all considered lower end or lower power consumption, what is the relative performance and cost". That was it. No other questions being asked or answered. I came to the conclusion that the iGpu was brilliant value for money (0 extra cost? great!) but just isn't even slightly appropriate for medium settings and above, and taking full system cost into account it loses that big advantage. the 1050ti was a pretty clear winner in power and performance, but has actually gone up in price Vs the 460's lowering in price. if I am to draw a conclusion...for the price difference, I would personally get a 460 if I ever plan on upgrading down the line; the money saved Vs frames lost is more important in that case. If you're willing to play lower settings, the loss of frames isn't colossal, but saving £40 or so is nice. These might be useful if you are considering whether to buy a better CPU and live gaming on the processor until you can afford an upgrade, or if you want to compare it to the top 2 "no extra power" GPUs for a low-wattage machine. -
So a while back, i did some misc. benchmarks in less than a handful of games, with the intention of firstly choosing a replacement for my 160W mini PC, and secondly the helpfully give some kind of reference to other builders. With life "stuff" and studying causing my plans to neatly compile results fall through, I thought I would share what I do have. It has benches from CS:GO, L4D2 and Bioshock Infinite (older, less demanding games). I do have results for metro 2033 that need a write up. The GPUs compared are the Sapphire RX460, Zotac 1050ti and the Intel HD 530 using an i5 6400 with a 160W psu. Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yPQegTgDMz_B4BXmZprRMT5YKje8fVn7FpfvFNEIVu4/edit?usp=sharing Hopefully someone out there finds a use for these numbers on a screen. edit: tl;dr- Given 3 GPUs that are all considered lower end or lower power consumption, what is the relative performance and cost of each in casual/older games (eg those found in alot of steam sales)
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Benchmarking low-end gpu. what do you care about?
MerkBertmern replied to MerkBertmern's topic in Graphics Cards
Aye, as is the plan. likely will touch 1 or maybe 2 synthetics that are likely to affect casual users (maybe some freeware 3D software or movie editors?) I will have a go at Folding at home, as a casual user might be aware of this. If I was going for a more hardcore use case I would do more aimed toward powerusers and miners. I do want to focus on gaming machines, but I'm not discounting non-gaming workloads Aye aye, so I'll aim for medium on "new AAA"s and maxed out/highest fps for competitive multiplayer. noise I don't feel will be a fair test; while it is INCREDIBLY important to me, but I wil be testing outside of a case so I don't feel it's really representative of a real-world test (and who knows what case a budget user may end up with, and while thermal throttling will be an issue in some cases I don't have the time to be able to account for each possibility, sadly ). I will still have noise levels recorded, but will play a short video which has the noise in the background, to give someone an idea of relative noise levels. I don't have nice, accurate equipment to measure it, unfortunately... Thanks all for the above, I will endeavor to cover as many good points as I can. If you've just seen the thread, don't hesitate to add more suggestions or queries about this. -
So, I'm currently in possession of multiple "no extra power connector" GPUs (integrated, gtx750ti, 1050, 1050ti and Rx460; no one here has the damn gtx950 75W varient, so it's hardly worth going for) for testing purposes. I wanted to be able to evaluate and recommend which GPU for value or performance in both low-power and low-cost machines. Since I'm in the UK, I'm primarily trying to appeal to other UK PC builders or gamers (the "value for money" on every american review kinda goes out the window when prices are out of wack over here). I'm using an i5 6500, 16Gb of cheap ram (accidental overkill), a 160W Pico Psu and my ol' reliable 1680x1050 60fps monitor (assuming our target audience is going to have, at most, a 1080 display). I do have a 1980x1200 display, but don't really think a "dip toes in the water" builder is going to want to push that many pixels. Currently, I'm recording FPS statistics from 2 Source "2" engine games (l4d2 and cs:go), Metro 2033 and Batman Arkham Asylum. I'm also doing what I call "playability tests" on games that don't have a consistent benchmark, which I am yet to decide (I will likely use fraps for this to check frame variance etc). I'm mainly testing for those who are getting a PC to join friends who want to play various cheap "party" games, so likely no high fidelity single player or full price brand-new games. I've noticed the number of people in this position come to me asking about which hardware to get, and I couldn't honestly say which I felt was best. So the reason I'm posting here (aside from floating the idea past other PC users) is to ask what data and how. I planned to show average frames w/variance on a "standard deviation" style graph and planned to show frames per £ in a simple bar graph. I was also going to show Wattage per FPS, since that's proven incredibly interesting through testing so far... What other information would you want to see, and how would you want to see it visualised? What do you think would be really interesting to see? Are there games that alot of your non-pc gaming friends are interested in? Please let me know if you can, or any other suggestions you might have. Please help me try and not waste precious University hours for a boring, uninformative guide!
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Welp the rapid few responses mean I'm inclined to post here when I stream. I think It's worth it, alot of online parts guides work according to new US prices, rather than include euro/UK pricing at the least. Also I can't find a buildlog in this case, so that'll do. Maybe I should've posted in another section....
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Wow those were fast responses. I don't have all the parts next to me, but it's an AMD 6300, gtx 770 and a 256GB sandisk SSD for the basic description. I bought some secondhand and some with sales The main point of it would be that I enjoyed the process of finding and selecting parts, and changing when opportunities came up, but feel anyone new to pc stuff might not understand how to budget shop beyond choosing low end parts. EDIT: I spent about £380 i think, also another reason being UK builds aren't quite as prevalent as US priced ones.
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So, Just about to build my second PC; trying to build a PC for a friend, for as little budget as possible without simply cheaping out, which i now have the parts for. I planned at first to stream just so he could see how to build a PC, but I thought it might be interesting for other people to see how to build a relatively cheap PC, and the logic for part selection which was a big deal on this build. Basic point I'm putting forth; does anyone want to see this? would anyone here tune in to watch a fool on a webcam build a pc as fast as possible while explaining the parts? I thought it was different enough to any build log I ever watch on a big channel, obviously scrapyard wars covered the old and cheap secondhand and many, many people cover cookie-cutter style builds, but I just needed "pretty decent, can do work and game well but not amazingly".
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According to the only source I can find, It's twice the size of the FSP one, so doesn't really fill the same niche Also, as I said if you'd read, the mockup is not mine, and doesn't account for cables etc; it would technically be a possible placement, only cooling would be somewhat restricted with a fan likely facing the motherboard.
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I'm not sure how much interest there will be here, so I'm not too optimistic about responses. I'm a massive fan of small form factors PCs and, having build my first full PC with a picoPSU I'm now hoping to cram more power in a small case. Looking around, I saw a few mentions of the FSP "FSP500-50FSPT", a flex-atx PSU that supplies 500w at an impressive 80+ PLATINUM efficiency. I've seen this particular PSU being thrown around occasionally online, and was wondering if anyone could help find a way to get hold of them; the only reasonable attempt I've seen is a group buy, as FSP have asked for a minimum number of order before production (300, I think). Why should anyone care about this power supply? Like I said, it's very efficient; that should speak for itself. Along with that comes a slight reduction in noise from cooling fans, especially if you run at a lower wattage than 500W. Finally, the size. It's small. How small? Well, on one forum this PSU is being discussed on someone mocked up different designs that could be made thanks to the form factor (MASSIVE props to KSliger at smallformfactor.net, and mentions to EdZ further down on the same page for their nice mockups + measurement estimates) Yep. with a card roughly the size of an r9 Nano, you can make an absolutely tiny powerhouse of a build (LAN box anyone?). Based on the above estimates, that means you could fit an x99 chip, an r9 Nano/A SFF GTX970 in a roughly 4.25 L case. Obviously, the above doesn't take into full account the need to route cables, put in mounts and adapters etc, but it does give a nice idea of how this could be used! I can see a few ways going about this; Firstly is simply having people show more support at the link I provided above, as well as at Overclock.net where they are also looking at the PSU group buy. The second is by asking Massdrop if they would be willing to set up a drop, which I'll contact them about shortly (I welcome anyone else to contact them as well!). I'm also going to get in touch with FSP, though I'm not sure entirely how successful that will be. Thoughts? Are there many of you interested in this kind of form factor? I'm afraid I only pop into the forum once or twice a month, I don't know if this is a common sight! (product page with specs and documentation)
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I'll give it a look-see, i'm sure I could get used to a different feel, as long as touch typing isn't impossible (I'll admit the apple keyboard is easier for that than I expected). Any names, or should I just look for generic ones? I'd like something that'll last decently, and I thought the type you mentioned had flat-style keys like the apple keyboard below the rubber...?
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So I recently got a new quiet mouse for work and home, which works brilliantly, barely any sound out of me at work at all!....until you reach my keyboard. Currently at home I've got a wireless logitech keyboard+mouse (K260), and I've been looking at 60% and "65%" keyboards (love those tiny things). However, looking around I'm struggling to find a UK ISO keyboard (or any euro iso, since I can swap keys) that's compact and quiet. I'm temporarily using a Mac keyboard, and it's nice, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of the keys and while thin, it's pretty long.... Anyone out there got a quiet, compact ISO keyboard they would recommend? There's got to be a decent one out there!...right?
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I've been replacing my setup pretty bit by bit, from my old Pentium with its 4GB of ddr2 and gts 250, my 24 inch 1600x900 30Hz monitor. I've even been able to swap my way to a better desk! the only thing that's looking sad is my mouse. a cheap £4 porta-mouse and old Logitech wireless keyboard (that's missing the partner mouse) don't really fit me playing on high 1920x1080 75fps, or editing videos across 2 monitors in premiere. It's sad. It's like the old mouse is crying as it flicks back and forth with dodgy tracking on the movie timeline; why do you want me here?. It barely moves the cursor as I cross half of my desk, helpless as I get headshot by someone I couldn't turn to see as if to say: No, it is not meant to be like this. you mouse believe me when I say, me and a new mouse would just...click? the old one's taking up alot of my peripheral vision. I'm really keybored with this one, even though i'm usually not that type of person. I have more of these if they'll win you over. I'm rarely punderstocked. Also final mouse. It's something I've seen from a distance, but a student budget puts even further away. It's like watching people drive by in supercars while you pootle along in a 15 year old 1.2 litr- oh that is what I do. But I come to pc to escape from the negatives, not re-imagine them!
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the whole point is that there is no same source for both of these Most of that you've said is fair nuff. and nah, I'm not aware of any good UK hardware magazines, I gave up on physical magazines here since they either talk down like you're totally clueless or are just dry to read. even if I did read them, I doubt i would find a magazine that reviewed these, again it would likely be different sources. all in all, the experience has told me I may as well just flip a coin or go for the cheaper one. oh well.
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Which settings should i run at? (ocing 290x)
MerkBertmern replied to xnoobftw's topic in Graphics Cards
hey man, pacman is a classic. -
I feel a bit bad for just doing a bump, but does anyone online now (seemed semi dead when I posted) have any good advice for comparing reviews from different sources beyond "common sense"?
