$2000 Build Brainstorming [Revised]

[DallenRex]

Looking to upgrade from my 970 and i5-4670k. My revised idea is something along these lines: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V2MHq4

ASRock Fatal1ty x470 Gaming K4 ATX AM4

Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core (Changed from i7-8000 series for occasional streaming performance)

MEVGA GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Hybrid (Changed from 1080ti air cooled because I can, and it's simple enough)

G.Skill Trident Z 2x8GB DDR4 3200

Noctua NH D15 SE AM4 (Might buy black fans at some point cuz bleh)

ADATA Ultimate SU650 960GB 2.5" SSD ( + a 250GB SSD and 1TB HDD from my current pc)

EVGA Supernova 750W 80+ Gold Full-Mod ATX

Acer XG270HU 27" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor (Open to other suggestions, but this seems adequate)

Corsair Carbide 400C ATX Mid Tower

 

That comes out at about 2100 with monitor.

This is a revised build based on some one on one time with someone much more experienced than myself, as well as input from you guys.

 

New Question: I'm not really bothered about the price difference between the 2700x and the 8700k. I was told that I should get the 2700x because I'm interested in casually streaming. However, I'm having second thoughts about the downgrade in single core performance. Would an 8700k really struggle with streaming enough to warrant the for loss from 8700k to 2700x when not streaming? I'm not trying to have the world's most beautiful stream.

[Motifator]

You might want to wait and see how the 9900K fares instead of picking up a 8086K, it'll probably do much better than it.

[ILiketoMobit]

yeah the 9th gen refreshes are releasing soon... also a rtx 2080 would outperform a 1080ti but be similar in price?

[DallenRex]

1 minute ago, Motifator said:

You might want to wait and see how the 9900K fares instead of picking up a 8086K, it'll probably do much better than it.

I haven't heard much about intel 9000 series dates or gtx 2000 series dates, which is why I'm hesitant to commit to waiting.

[Motifator]

Intel 9000 series chips are due out in 3 days, so yeah, I'd certainly do that.

[DallenRex]

1 minute ago, Motifator said:

Intel 9000 series chips are due out in 3 days, so yeah, I'd certainly do that.

lmfao, okay. Point taken. I'll check those out. Not sure if gtx 2000 series are going to be superior for the price given I'm not trying to run the new technologies.

 

[Wh0_Am_1]

I would also switch the Hyper 212 for a Noctua NH-D15. Because even though that 8086k is within spec, that chip is going to run hot.

[DallenRex]

2 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

I would also switch the Hyper 212 for a Noctua NH-D15. Because even though that 8086k is within spec, that chip is going to run hot.

CPU cooler was one place I expected input because I sort of tossed that evo 212 in there because it's super common. I don't have much experience with the higher end components and what they need to stay cool. I'll toss that into the op.

[jiyeon]

11 minutes ago, DallenRex said:

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo

A $2000 build and you're choosing a Hyper 212 Evo? Please, if you're going to change anything in the build, it has to be the cooler. Pick up another alternative such as an Arctic Freezer 33 eSports One, Cryorig H7, or Noctua NH coolers, just don't choose a Hyper 212, that thing is garbage and will ironically fail at cooling an 8086K.

[DallenRex]

1 minute ago, seoz said:

A $2000 build and you're choosing a Hyper 212 Evo? Please, if you're going to change anything in the build, it has to be the cooler. Pick up another alternative such as an Arctic Freezer 33 eSports One, Cryorig H7, or Noctua NH coolers, just don't choose a Hyper 212, that thing is garbage and will ironically fail at cooling an 8086K.

Yes, I changed it while you were writing that message, but not to that cooler.

[Wh0_Am_1]

2 minutes ago, DallenRex said:

CPU cooler was one place I expected input because I sort of tossed that evo 212 in there because it's super common. I don't have much experience with the higher end components and what they need to stay cool. I'll toss that into the op.

Yeah, while technically the 212 evo supports upto a 150 watt TDP, and the 8086 is rated for 95 Watts do you really want to deal with it getting that hot? Because a cooler processor lasts longer, also the components are much higher quality, and will therefore be more reliable, also a larger cooler will be quieter. One thing to not the NH-D15 can cool better than most 280mm AIO coolers, and will last much longer, though, it will not look as good as an AIO. 

[_Aontaigh_]

PCPartPicker Part List / Price Breakdown By Merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8086K 4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($399.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($83.65 @ Newegg Business) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG MAXIMUS X HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($264.36 @ PCM) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($329.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($123.50 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.59 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB GAMING X Video Card  ($694.00 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($80.54 @ B&H) 
Total: $2034.63

 

I would highly recommend you wait for the RTX 2080 and i7-9700K.

 

[DallenRex]

What is availability like on newly released CPUs and GPUs? Should I expect to have to wait a significant amount of time to get one after launch?

[forregacc02]

If you want something that has a good price to performance ratio, then have a look at this build.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($54.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($137.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Inland - Professional 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($629.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($32.48 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1180.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-29 03:09 EDT-0400

[DallenRex]

1 hour ago, forregacc02 said:

If you want something that has a good price to performance ratio, then have a look at this build.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($54.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($137.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Inland - Professional 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($629.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($32.48 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1180.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-29 03:09 EDT-0400

Certainly a more conservative build, but taking a hit on cooling, case size, ram, cpu clock, SSD size, psu, and Mobo aren't really worth the lower price to me, given there's also no OS there. I'd also prefer to furture proof more in the mobo, ram, PSU, and CPU because those are more annoying to replace in two-three years than a gpu

[forregacc02]

28 minutes ago, DallenRex said:

Certainly a more conservative build, but taking a hit on cooling, case size, ram, cpu clock, SSD size, psu, and Mobo aren't really worth the lower price to me, given there's also no OS there. I'd also prefer to furture proof more in the mobo, ram, PSU, and CPU because those are more annoying to replace in two-three years than a gpu

 I see. Given your requirements, this is what I'd suggest.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8086K 4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($399.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370 AORUS GAMING WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($139.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($310.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Intel - 660p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($659.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit  ($125.89 @ Trusted Tech Team) 
Total: $2069.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-29 05:21 EDT-0400

[Guest]

What is the pc going to be used for ?

 

Also what monitor are you going to be using ?

[DallenRex]

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

What is the pc going to be used for ?

 

Also what monitor are you going to be using ?

Gaming occasional streaming on a 1440p 144hz monitor I have yet to decide on. Maybe VR eventually if I decide to buy it at some point.

[DallenRex]

2 hours ago, forregacc02 said:

 I see. Given your requirements, this is what I'd suggest.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8086K 4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($399.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370 AORUS GAMING WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($139.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($310.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Intel - 660p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($659.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit  ($125.89 @ Trusted Tech Team) 
Total: $2069.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-29 05:21 EDT-0400

That cooler is much better looking, regardless of it it's quieter than the D15. The lower CFM isn't a huge deal to me because I usually don't oc my cpu, so as long as it would cool it base, that's fine. I don't know the specifics of the performance between the 2.5inch ssds vs the m.2 slot ssds. That one you listed is cheaper anyway, and from what I remember m.2 is a bit faster, so I tossed it in there. 

As far as I'm aware, 4x8 vs 2x16 performs basically identically when it comes to RAM sticks. The question becomes does going above 3000mhz matter for games. Specific ram and you brand will probably come down to proceed at the time of purchase and aesthetics. Still haven't picked a case. 

Thanks for the build.

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 hours ago, DallenRex said:

Gaming occasional streaming on a 1440p 144hz monitor I have yet to decide on. Maybe VR eventually if I decide to buy it at some point.

since you're doing some streaming, you might as well get a ryzen 7 cpu instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($239.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright - Le Grand Macho RT 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler  ($79.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($163.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 32gb is unnecessary for just gaming.
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Toshiba - Product Series:DT01ACA 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($51.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($659.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($94.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1690.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-29 09:26 EDT-0400

[DallenRex]

2 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

since you're doing some streaming, you might as well get a ryzen 7 cpu instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($239.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright - Le Grand Macho RT 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler  ($79.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($163.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 32gb is unnecessary for just gaming.
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Toshiba - Product Series:DT01ACA 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($51.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($659.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($94.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1690.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-29 09:26 EDT-0400

What's the reasoning behind the statement regarding streaming and ryzen? 32GB of RAM could very well be overkill, given it's also ddr4, which I've never used. Also same price/capacity, who wins between 2.5" SSD and m.2 slot storage?

[Herman Mcpootis]

15 minutes ago, DallenRex said:

What's the reasoning behind the statement regarding streaming and ryzen? 32GB of RAM could very well be overkill, given it's also ddr4, which I've never used. Also same price/capacity, who wins between 2.5" SSD and m.2 slot storage?

the extra cores allow it to perform better for streaming. just get whichever of the two is cheaper.

[DallenRex]

5 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the extra cores allow it to perform better for streaming. just get whichever of the two is cheaper.

Given how few cores are still being utilized for games, I think 6 faster cores will be totally fine for streaming and better for games. Maybe I'm wrong tho. 8086 is more expensive, but I don't mind it at the moment since I've had my current cpu for 5 years. I'd rather beef it up a little now than want to replace it a gen early.

[forregacc02]

15 hours ago, DallenRex said:

That cooler is much better looking, regardless of it it's quieter than the D15. The lower CFM isn't a huge deal to me because I usually don't oc my cpu, so as long as it would cool it base, that's fine. I don't know the specifics of the performance between the 2.5inch ssds vs the m.2 slot ssds. That one you listed is cheaper anyway, and from what I remember m.2 is a bit faster, so I tossed it in there. 

As far as I'm aware, 4x8 vs 2x16 performs basically identically when it comes to RAM sticks. The question becomes does going above 3000mhz matter for games. Specific ram and you brand will probably come down to proceed at the time of purchase and aesthetics. Still haven't picked a case. 

Thanks for the build.

1.) The be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 is around 5% worse than the D15. I just selected it cause it looks good.

 

2.) There is actually 2 common interface variants of an M.2 SSD. A SATA Based and a PCIe Based (Usually called NVME SSD). A SATA Based M.2 SSD performs on the same ballpark as a 2.5" SSD since both SSDs are speed limited by their SATA interfaces. While a PCIe Based (NVME SSD) performs significantly faster. Do note that not all M.2 Slots in a motherboard are PCIe capable. Some are SATA only. In this scenario, the Intel 660p is a budget PCIe SSD that performs around 2x faster than any SATA SSD.

 

3.) The 4x8 and 2x16 argument would depend on the platform. For a Z370 platform such as yours, a 2x16 would actually perform a bit better since it's a dual channel platform. Using more than 2 sticks on a dual channel platform would actually cause a bit higher latency. I only chose the 4x8 due to aesthetics. It just looks better having all 4 DIMMs filled.

 

4.) As for RAM Speed, for Intel 7th Gen and below, it doesn't really affect games. But for Ryzen and 8th Gen Intel, it does. It's a small percentage still, but as a rule of thumb, at least 2666mhz is good for Intel, while at least 3000mhz is good for Ryzen.

[DallenRex]

18 minutes ago, forregacc02 said:

1.) The be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 is around 5% worse than the D15. I just selected it cause it looks good.

 

2.) There is actually 2 common interface variants of an M.2 SSD. A SATA Based and a PCIe Based (Usually called NVME SSD). A SATA Based M.2 SSD performs on the same ballpark as a 2.5" SSD since both SSDs are speed limited by their SATA interfaces. While a PCIe Based (NVME SSD) performs significantly faster. Do note that not all M.2 Slots in a motherboard are PCIe capable. Some are SATA only. In this scenario, the Intel 660p is a budget PCIe SSD that performs around 2x faster than any SATA SSD.

 

3.) The 4x8 and 2x16 argument would depend on the platform. For a Z370 platform such as yours, a 2x16 would actually perform a bit better since it's a dual channel platform. Using more than 2 sticks on a dual channel platform would actually cause a bit higher latency. I only chose the 4x8 due to aesthetics. It just looks better having all 4 DIMMs filled.

 

4.) As for RAM Speed, for Intel 7th Gen and below, it doesn't really affect games. But for Ryzen and 8th Gen Intel, it does. It's a small percentage still, but as a rule of thumb, at least 2666mhz is good for Intel, while at least 3000mhz is good for Ryzen.

I've updated the build in the original post to https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V2MHq4

 

I learned about that distinction between m.2 SSDs earlier today, thanks for clarifying. I'm not too bothered about the 2x faster than SATA, for gaming, normal SSD performance should be totally fine.

 

Also learned about that ram channel situation earlier today in my digging, wishing I'd just saved some time and waited for your comment.

 

I decided to go with the D15, and I might changed the fans out for black fans at a later date, if I care enough. Why do people make top of the line components and make them look so bad?