Need help for a build

[ArashiNoOuji]

Hi.

 

So I'm trying to build a gtx 1080 build, I'm going with gigabyte g1 gaming tho I'm not sure on either going for ryzen 5 2600 or intel i5 8400, also I need some help with picking the rest of the part the one that I have in mind right now are, this PC is mainly used for gaming and some editing, I'm using a 24" monitor, I have a budget of around $1000

 

Intel

Core i5-8400

MSI – B360 Gaming Plus 

EVGA 750W 80+Gold

SSD Sandisk 240gb

HDD Seagate 2tb    

RAM Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2x4GB 2666MHz

 

AMD

Ryzen 5 2600

GIGABYTE GA-AB350M-DS3H

and the rest are the same

 

if there's any suggestion on how to make this better or more budget friendly please give me an input on that since honestly I don't know which one to get, thanks.

[Herman Mcpootis]

are you just gaming or also streaming/editing/rendering?

[Queen Chrysalis]

The 2600 is better in every way.  It matches the 8400 in single threaded workloads and eviscerates it in multithreaded ones.  That AB350 is garbo though.  Get and ASRock Pro4, proven reliability and guaranteed zen+ ready.  I'd go with the Ripjaws V 3200 RAM personally.

[ArashiNoOuji]

Just now, Herman Mcpootis said:

are you just gaming or also streaming/editing/rendering?

sorry just edited the post, I mainly use it for gaming and editing

[Herman Mcpootis]

Just now, ArashiNoOuji said:

sorry just edited the post, I mainly use it for gaming and editing

if you're using adobe for editing, then the i5 8400 will be better.

[ArashiNoOuji]

Just now, Queen Chrysalis said:

The 2600 is better in every way.  It matches the 8400 in single threaded workloads and eviscerates it in multithreaded ones.  That AB350 is garbo though.  Get and ASRock PRo4, proven reliability and guaranteed zen+ ready.  I'd go with the Ripjaws V 3200 RAM personally.

I'll look into it, thank you 

[ArashiNoOuji]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

if you're using adobe for editing, then the i5 8400 will be better.

It's just some light editing, it's mainly for gaming 

[Herman Mcpootis]

Just now, ArashiNoOuji said:

It's just some light editing, it's mainly for gaming 

the 8400 also performs slightly better for gaming, so it's still the 8400.

[Queen Chrysalis]

2 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the 8400 also performs slightly better for gaming, so it's still the 8400.

I mean, I've opwned boath and the 8400 is only better in gaming if you have a 1080ti and are playing at 1080p (and even then were talking about 1-4% higher framerate).  You won't run into a CPU speed bottleneck with any GPu other than the 1080ti, and the extra threads being available CAN improve performance.  Not to mention the 2600 has a decent cooler and can OC on a 50 dollar board vs the 8400 being locked and having a small cooler.

[ArashiNoOuji]

3 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

I mean, I've opwned boath and the 8400 is only better in gaming if you have a 1080ti and are playing at 1080p (and even then were talking about 1-4% higher framerate).  You won't run into a CPU speed bottleneck with any GPu other than the 1080ti, and the extra threads being available CAN improve performance.  Not to mention the 2600 has a decent cooler and can OC on a 50 dollar board vs the 8400 being locked and having a small cooler.

for the motherboard should I go for the A320m pro4 or ab350 pro4?,
also other than the ram is the rest of the component good enough or does it need to be improved

[ArashiNoOuji]

7 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the 8400 also performs slightly better for gaming, so it's still the 8400.

I think I'll go for the ryzen 2600 since I can get it for cheaper than then i5 8400

[Herman Mcpootis]

4 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

I mean, I've opwned boath and the 8400 is only better in gaming if you have a 1080ti and are playing at 1080p (and even then were talking about 1-4% higher framerate). 

a CPU can last more than just one GPU upgrade. what if he upgrades to a 1080ti-tier GPU or more? suddenly the performance difference starts to show.

[Queen Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

a CPU can last more than just one GPU upgrade. what if he upgrades to a 1080ti-tier GPU or more? suddenly the performance difference starts to show.

Except AMD cpus have traditionally gotten better performance over time due to increased adaptation of multithreading.  My fx 8150 was better the day I retired it than the day I bought it.  Newer games will begin to use more and more threads.  Why not get an 8100?  Surely no one could ever need more than 4 threads.  The 2600 is far more future proof if you want to go that route.

[DocSwag]

6 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Except AMD cpus have traditionally gotten better performance over time due to increased adaptation of multithreading.  My fx 8150 was better the day I retired it than the day I bought it.  Newer games will begin to use more and more threads.  Why not get an 8100?  Surely no one could ever need more than 4 threads.  The 2600 is far more future proof if you want to go that route.

There are more to games than single threaded speed. Otherwise an 8400 wouldn't be ahead of a stock 2600x. Ryzen has significantly higher core to core latency which I believe is one of the main reasons why it's behind in gaming performance. It's also why coffee lake is still ahead of skylake x for gaming most of the time.

[Queen Chrysalis]

7 hours ago, DocSwag said:

There are more to games than single threaded speed. Otherwise an 8400 wouldn't be ahead of a stock 2600x. Ryzen has significantly higher core to core latency which I believe is one of the main reasons why it's behind in gaming performance. It's also why coffee lake is still ahead of skylake x for gaming most of the time.

Stock is the key qualifying phrase though.  And it won't  be for long as multicore scaling is becoming more common in AA and AAA titles.

[DocSwag]

15 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

Stock is the key qualifying phrase though.  And it won't  be for long as multicore scaling is becoming more common in AA and AAA titles.

Overclocking it would require a better mobo and cooler which costs more tho. By which point you're getting into 8600k territory.

 

The latency is the exact reason WHY I don't see Ryzen ever beating coffee lake in its current state without games being SUPER heavily multi threaded. And even then I can't see it winning by much. Just look at Ashes, a game notoriously capable of using many threads. Even an OCed 2600x is only 5-7% ahead of a stock 8600k, and once you OC the 8600k it pulls ahead.

Or look at Watch Dogs 2, another notoriously multi threaded game. A stock 8600k actually beats even an OCed 2600x, nevermind an OCed 8600k.

If you're willing to use the stock cooler and get a decent deal on an X470 board, then I could see a 2600/x being worth it even if it's mainly for gaming. You won't hit 4.2 most likely but you could probably get a solid 3.9-4 GHz out of them. But most of the time an i5 8400 + B360 board will be quite a bit cheaper, and offer gaming performance that is currently a little bit better and that I can't see getting much worse in the future.

[Queen Chrysalis]

6 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Overclocking it would require a better mobo and cooler which costs more tho. By which point you're getting into 8600k territory.

 

The latency is the exact reason WHY I don't see Ryzen ever beating coffee lake in its current state without games being SUPER heavily multi threaded. And even then I can't see it winning by much. Just look at Ashes, a game notoriously capable of using many threads. Even an OCed 2600x is only 5-7% ahead of a stock 8600k, and once you OC the 8600k it pulls ahead.

Or look at Watch Dogs 2, another notoriously multi threaded game. A stock 8600k actually beats even an OCed 2600x, nevermind an OCed 8600k.

If you're willing to use the stock cooler and get a decent deal on an X470 board, then I could see a 2600/x being worth it even if it's mainly for gaming. You won't hit 4.2 most likely but you could probably get a solid 3.9-4 GHz out of them. But most of the time an i5 8400 + B360 board will be quite a bit cheaper, and offer gaming performance that is currently a little bit better and that I can't see getting much worse in the future.

Ryzen overclocks on b350.  The Pro4 is a great b350 board and its only 50 bucks.  Also, the 8600k is $250 while the 2600 is $169, same as an 8400 while being hyperthreaded and unlocked for overclocking.  

 

[ArashiNoOuji]

Okay so I changed my mind on what I got, I already bough a ryzen 7 2700x and a rog strix b450-f gaming (I decided to get this because I don't wanna deal with the bios update) and getting a EVGA G2 750w and a gtx 1080ti I wanna ask are those components compatible or not and I wanna ask what ddr4 8x2 3200mhz should I get

[DocSwag]

On 7/29/2018 at 8:45 PM, Queen Chrysalis said:

Ryzen overclocks on b350.  The Pro4 is a great b350 board and its only 50 bucks.  Also, the 8600k is $250 while the 2600 is $169, same as an 8400 while being hyperthreaded and unlocked for overclocking.  

 

b350 vrms are iffy for ryzen 2 IMO