GPU on a budget system.

[dobby240240]

Hey everyone, I'm trying to help a buddy get a GPU for his system that he bought from a friend. 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/smzxZ8

Everything in that list is what i believe he has. The mobo is a littel questionable as the Service Management list shows it as "To be filled in by BIOS" Which means is an OEM board of some kind.

Anyways the GPU has been added to the list as a "is this gonna work" kinda thing and even though the site says it compatibility is fine and its under the PSU's limits. Is the CPU going to bottleneck it and is there an alternative if so. The budget doesn't want to be more than 120, ideally under 100 as it's a first time system that he's going to learn from and game on. 

 

Thanks for all the friendly help as you usually provide. I'll stay active as long as I can while im still looking for other options. 

[dobby240240]

Im unsure if this is in the right section of the forum. let me know and i ll move it. apologies in advance

[MegaLukey]

can you just say what parts he needs and how much he has to spend on those parts? The computer you have listed really isnt going to do much more then CSGO, and even that im not sure how great it will run.

 

Whats the budget and what parts does he need, and realistically what is he trying to use the computer for

[CDHoward]

I'd at least get an AMD A10 apu (any of the A10 apu's) rather than the one you've chosen 

 

The rest looks good (for an extremely budget system).

[dobby240240]

 

21 minutes ago, MegaLukey said:

27 minutes ago, dobby240240 said:

Everything in that list is what i believe he has. The mobo is a littel questionable as the Service Management list shows it as "To be filled in by BIOS" Which means is an OEM board of some kind.

 

can you just say what parts he needs and how much he has to spend on those parts? The computer you have listed really isnt going to do much more then CSGO, and even that im not sure how great it will run.

 

Whats the budget and what parts does he need, and realistically what is he trying to use the computer for

Its all stated. Everything on the list is bought. The GPU is not

[dobby240240]

11 minutes ago, CDHoward said:

I'd at least get an AMD A10 apu (any of the A10 apu's) rather than the one you've chosen 

 

The rest looks good (for an extremely budget system).

Thanks for the reply, If im being totally honest iv never heard of APU's but it gives me something new to look in to. Thanks 

[CDHoward]

6 minutes ago, dobby240240 said:

Thanks for the reply, If im being totally honest iv never heard of APU's but it gives me something new to look in to. Thanks 

The A4 you've chosen is also an AMD apu, but it's only a dual core one.

 

An apu is simply a CPU with integrated graphics.

 

The A10 apu's are quad cores. And you need a quad core at least. The lowest A10 is the A10 5700, then there's the A10 5800 and so on. In my first pc, I had the A10 5800, and it was decent, relatively speaking. It also overclocked beautifully.

 

The A10 is also an FM2 chip, so it is compatible with the motherboard.

[MegaLukey]

9 minutes ago, dobby240240 said:

 

Its all stated. Everything on the list is bought. The GPU is not

I asked for his budget because it wasn't stated.

[dobby240240]

1 minute ago, CDHoward said:

The A4 you've chosen is also an AMD apu, but it's only a dual core one.

 

An apu is simply a CPU with integrated graphics.

 

The A10 apu's are quad cores. And you need a quad core at least. The lowest A10 is the A10 5700, then there's the A10 5800 and so on. In my first pc, I had the A10 5800, and it was decent, relatively speaking. It also overclocked beautifully.

Am i right in thinking that if i were to go for a GPU in future after getting this then we could maybe put a bit more money towards it or is saving for a better system in the mean time a more worth while cause?

[dobby240240]

39 minutes ago, dobby240240 said:

The budget doesn't want to be more than 120, ideally under 100 as it's a first time system that he's going to learn from and game on. 

 

1 minute ago, MegaLukey said:

I asked for his budget because it wasn't stated.

Maybe my writings not as good, The GPU alone doesnt want to be more than this.

 

[CDHoward]

9 minutes ago, dobby240240 said:

Am i right in thinking that if i were to go for a GPU in future after getting this then we could maybe put a bit more money towards it or is saving for a better system in the mean time a more worth while cause?

You would be much, much better off saving a little more and building an AMD Ryzen system, mate.

 

You could get a quad core Ryzen at first, and then a more powerful one later without having to buy a new motherboard. It would be infinitely more future proof, and much more powerful.

 

If that would be too expensive, then at least get an AM3 motherboard and at least a six core (the 8350 would be the best though) AMD FX chip.

 

At the end of the day, the apu system you're proposing above would not be good for much, man.

[MegaLukey]

12 minutes ago, dobby240240 said:

Maybe my writings not as good, The GPU alone doesnt want to be more than this.

 

Im an idiot, I read that like 3 times and didnt see a number.

 

The 1030 really isnt gonna do much, regardless of how you put it, you arent going to play any games on this except CSGO,  and thats probably gonna run pretty crappy.

The only way up from there is a 1050, and thats 136 usd.

 

Here are some bench marks on some newer titles on a 1030, i3 6100, which is leaps and bounds better then a A4 5300, which barely gets 30 fps on low settings.

 

 

You need to just put this build on hold. You are not going to be able to put together a enjoyable experience at this price point.  If anything you are going to turn the person away. This wont be a playable system. Save more, get a 1050, and a Ryzen quad core, or a nice AMD FX 6300, on a AM3+ board, and go from there. 

 

Im sure this isnt the answer you want, but its the truth, this system will not do any good for you or whoever is going to use it

[CDHoward]

Another very much budget suggestion would be to build a system with the latest AMD Athlon CPU. An Athlon is a true quad core, as opposed to the A10's.

[CDHoward]

If this system is a very first pc for someone, and if it has be very cheap, then go with my initial suggestion: Use all those parts you've already chosen, but get one of the A10 chips instead of that useless dual core A4 chip.

 

An A10 5800 would do, and should be very cheap 

[dobby240240]

7 minutes ago, CDHoward said:

At the end of the day, the apu system you're proposing above would not be good for much, man.

Thanks for the honest reply, He's already bought the computer and i told him the same thing last night which kinda shot him down a bit  Im trying my best to see what his options are short of getting a new PC but at least I know i wasn't being harsh. because this system is severely under powered. 

 

3 minutes ago, MegaLukey said:

Im sure this isnt the answer you want, but its the truth, this system will load windows and thats about it. Save up and get some better parts my friend

It's not quite what i was looking no for but at the same time thanks for the honesty. Ty for the video clip I will keep it in mind and see what I can build for him on Part picker over the next few days. Also i had the same feelings for it and ty for same reasons as the previous reply ^

[MegaLukey]

1 minute ago, CDHoward said:

If this system is a very first pc for someone, and if it has be very cheap, then go with my initial suggestion: Use all those parts you've already chosen, but get one of the A10 chips instead of that useless dual core A4 chip.

I second this. If this is a system that needs to be built, because you are really just itching to use something, This would be your best bet.

[dobby240240]

4 minutes ago, CDHoward said:

Another very much budget suggestion would be to build a system with the latest AMD Athlon CPU. An Athlon is a true quad core, as opposed to the A10's.

Yeah i was gonna say, I imagine there are no integrated graphics on a true CPU? where as an APU is trying to do all of it. 

 

As a side question, what are both you guy's thoughts on buying any component second hand?

obviously over clocking things can shorten life cycles but what about the other bits? 

[MegaLukey]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/dPjQ3F

 

If you could find this CPU, I think it would put some more life into this rig.

 

As for buying second hand, I think that if you verify that it works before purchase, you should be good to go

[CDHoward]

Yeah, the chip that MegaLukey has chosen is the best possible option for this system.

 

As far as buying second hand: I personally only buy brand new, because I don't trust second hand hardware. But also because I don't want scratches on my stuff etc. Personally, I just have to buy brand new 

[dobby240240]

Good mix of answers. Thanks for sticking around and answering my queries. i think i have enough to go by for a few days. tyvm both of you