Need tips with new build

[micolingo]

Hi, making a new build, just need some suggestions, does it fit overall thx.

 

Processor: i3 8100 (coffe lake),  might be i5 8400 if I find one affordable. https://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80684I58600K-Core-i5-8600K-Processor/dp/B0759FTRZL/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1514991101&sr=1-3&keywords=i5&th=1

 

Graphics card: gigabyte geforce gtx 1060 6gb g1 gaming https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0P24HI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

OR  

https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Dual-fan-Gaming-Graphics-DUAL-GTX1060-O6G/dp/B01JHQT1SE/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1514997690&sr=1-2&keywords=asus+1060  I'm thinking about going the gigabyte one, let me know what you think. Going to OC it, keep it moderate. since the gigaybte one has 8 pins, thats a +

 

Motherboard: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Z370-GAMING-PLUS-Motherboard/dp/B075GSVHGP/ref=pd_sim_147_4?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=DY1GZPMBZG1YAAFGFS0T&th=1 found the most cheapest z370 lol.

 

RAM: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0123ZBPDA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 (yes I know 8gb is not good enough, but im on budget rn and will upgrade), Is 3000 enough with the build or do you prefer 3200? Don't have enough $ for 3200.

 

PSU: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B72W0A2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

 

Case: (I want to know if all that will fit in the case) http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/cm-690/ , yes i know it's old, but I don't really care about aesthetics, just performance mostly.

 

Just let me know what you think, I'm not a super crazy expert in computers, but I have some knowledge. Will the gpu fit in the case?

If you have anything in mind, you think that'll be better or something let me know what you think.

Keep in mind im on a budget! Maybe around 720$, I can add a bit more for the i5.

Going to use the PC JUST for gaming, don't care about the PC looks, aesthetics, if it's rgb or things like that, don't care about the color scheme, just straight performance.

Should I switch to 7th gen processors? (Because it's cheaper).

Let me know!  

Thanks!

 

((Also, I know it's off topic but I need to ask, I'm worried about amazon VAT or how do you call it, will I have to pay 20% more off the whole build (so like 144$) because of the VAT? First time ordering from amazon don't know how it works lol. You know what I mean, sorry if i didn't explain myself very well.))

 

[SliceT]

Probably you will be better of with Ryzen...

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FwNDr7
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FwNDr7/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($109.49 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - A320M-DGS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($198.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Hitachi - 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($76.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($269.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H21 Window ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($53.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $783.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 11:58 EST-0500

[Nocte]

Use pcpartpicker.com next time, checks best prices for you as well.

What's your budget though? So we can see how to give advices.

You forgot storage as well.

 

I would do something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($163.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-E Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($77.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($95.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.50 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.68 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($269.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - CM 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($63.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $787.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 11:59 EST-0500

[MaktimS]

First of all, try to use https://pcpartpicker.com/ it will help you stay organised. Intel CPUs are mostly faster in gaming, but I wouldn't recommend the 8100, Ryzen 1200 would be better imo. 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tzThsJ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tzThsJ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($109.49 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($65.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($87.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.68 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($304.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($36.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($53.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $706.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 12:03 EST-0500

[micolingo]

but isn't intel better for gaming?

I can go for ryzen 5 1600 its (200$ on amazon), but isn't intel better for gaming?

Should I just go for the 7th generation, skylake or whatever?

I've seen some tests and intel proves to be better. Like i3 8100 is almost the same as r5 1600 in gaming tests.

So really confused rn.

As already said, budget around 720$, but I can squeeze it to 760$.

 

For the storage, I have it so no need for that.

[MaktimS]

4 minutes ago, micolingo said:

but isn't intel better for gaming?

Depends on wich ones you compare. 1600 is definitely a better choice than 8100. It has more cores and threads than the i3 and you can overclock it.

 

On the other hand, if you can afford an i5 then buy it I'd say. But if you want to save a bit more money and don't want to overclock, wait until mainstream Intel chipsets come out

[micolingo]

1 minute ago, MaktimS said:

Depends on wich ones you compare. 1600 is definitely a better choice than 8100. It has more cores and threads than the i3 and you can overclock it.

Yeah but more cores and threads don't really mean a lot to me since it's mostly for gaming, and I don't mean to OC so..

And overall combined with the expensive mobo's, the intel i3 choice is around 30-40$ cheaper

i3 8100 - 130$, motherboard - 120$ = 250$

 

r5 1600 - 200$ (it's actually 220$ but now on sale), motherboard - 90$ = 290$

 

Same performance in gaming.

[micolingo]

31 minutes ago, Eibe said:

Use pcpartpicker.com next time, checks best prices for you as well.

What's your budget though? So we can see how to give advices.

You forgot storage as well.

 

I would do something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($163.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-E Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($77.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($95.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.50 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.68 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card  ($269.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - CM 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($63.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $787.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 11:59 EST-0500

But intel is better for gaming, i've seen tests, the i3 8100 8th gen is the same as i5 7500 7th gen, so It seems like a better choice for the i3?

Or just pick the i5 7500? I could even go for the i5 8400, if it's worth it.

Idk, from what i've seen, picking the i5 7500 is the same as picking the i3 8100, but the i3 is cheaper, but the mobo isnt, but overall the price is cheaper.

 

I mean, take a look at the video, (yea its 7400 not 7500 but theyre really almost the same) the i3 comes a bit better actually, so I think it's quite good actually.

 

[MaktimS]

5 minutes ago, micolingo said:

Same performance in gaming.

Yes, but Ryzen is more futureproof. So if you really want to go with Intel, then just wait for the mainstream chipsets to come out as I said, you will save a few bucks there

[MaktimS]

Don't go with Skylake or Kaby lake those are now dead platforms

[micolingo]

Just now, MaktimS said:

Yes, but Ryzen is more futureproof. So if you really want to go with Intel, then just wait for the mainstream chipsets to come out as I said, you will save a few bucks there

Okay, when are the new mobos coming out?

thanks

[MaktimS]

In March I think

[micolingo]

Just now, MaktimS said:

In March I think

Yeah but It's not worth waiting 2 more months to save 15$, think i'll buy it soon as possible.

Thanks for the help

[micolingo]

Yeah and one important thing, Newegg doesn't ship to Croatia (where I'm at), but amazon does, so I'm only picking components from Amazon.

[MaktimS]

I am not really sure, but I think that you will have to pay Croatian VAT plus import duty. And that could make things more expensive.

[Nocte]

19 minutes ago, MaktimS said:

I am not really sure, but I think that you will have to pay Croatian VAT plus import duty. And that could make things more expensive.

This.

Just buy from amazon.de.

41 minutes ago, micolingo said:

But intel is better for gaming, i've seen tests, the i3 8100 8th gen is the same as i5 7500 7th gen, so It seems like a better choice for the i3?

Absolute gaming performance yes, it is. But all around I believe AMD is better, and even for gaming it has better value for money (which is kind of the main thing for budget builds?).

 

Anyway, since you are from Europe you either have to increase your budget by 20% or reduce the performance of your system.

 

EDIT: Actually prices are kind of similar (mainly because Ryzen CPUs are more expensive in the US - supply shortage?)

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MB8BQV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MB8BQV/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€147.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-E Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€76.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€96.30 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€48.53 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB StormX Video Card  (€284.56 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Cooler Master - CM 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply  (€51.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €786.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 19:07 CET+0100

 

Or this Intel build...

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kgR3f8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kgR3f8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€107.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€100.82 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€96.30 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€48.53 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB StormX Video Card  (€284.56 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Cooler Master - CM 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply  (€51.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €770.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 19:12 CET+0100

[micolingo]

4 hours ago, Eibe said:

This.

Just buy from amazon.de.

Absolute gaming performance yes, it is. But all around I believe AMD is better, and even for gaming it has better value for money (which is kind of the main thing for budget builds?).

 

Anyway, since you are from Europe you either have to increase your budget by 20% or reduce the performance of your system.

 

EDIT: Actually prices are kind of similar (mainly because Ryzen CPUs are more expensive in the US - supply shortage?)

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MB8BQV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MB8BQV/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€147.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-E Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€76.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€96.30 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€48.53 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB StormX Video Card  (€284.56 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Cooler Master - CM 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply  (€51.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €786.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 19:07 CET+0100

 

Or this Intel build...

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kgR3f8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kgR3f8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€107.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€100.82 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€96.30 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€48.53 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB StormX Video Card  (€284.56 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Cooler Master - CM 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply  (€51.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €770.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 19:12 CET+0100

Didn't quite understand the VAT and 20% bonus paying?

I can even squeeze it a bit and make it a i5 8400, just problem is I can't find anywhere I can buy the i5 for 200-220$, which is a normal price.

[Nocte]

1 minute ago, micolingo said:

Didn't quite understand the VAT and 20% bonus paying?

I can even squeeze it a bit and make it a i5 8400, just problem is I can't find anywhere I can buy the i5 for 200-220$, which is a normal price.

In the US there is no VAT, meaning that stuff is usually 20% cheaper. If you import it from the US, Croatia is going to charge you the VAT of your country. This is done to safeguard national economy, otherwise everyone would just buy products from no tax countries. 

[micolingo]

10 minutes ago, Eibe said:

In the US there is no VAT, meaning that stuff is usually 20% cheaper. If you import it from the US, Croatia is going to charge you the VAT of your country. This is done to safeguard national economy, otherwise everyone would just buy products from no tax countries. 

Oh got it, thanks.

Is there any way I can avoid it?

[Nocte]

Just now, micolingo said:

Oh got it, thanks.

Is there any way I can avoid it?

By buying products from the EU. 

The part lists I made for you are from Germany...

An 8th Gen i5 is way out of your budget if you want a 1060 6GB. 

[micolingo]

1 minute ago, Eibe said:

By buying products from the EU. 

The part lists I made for you are from Germany...

An 8th Gen i5 is way out of your budget if you want a 1060 6GB. 

So just ordering from Amazon.de will have no extra charge?

How will it know where's my location and where to ship it then?

[Nocte]

1 minute ago, micolingo said:

So just ordering from Amazon.de will have no extra charge?

How will it know where's my location and where to ship it then?

Create an amazon account and set your shipping address to your house in croatia. If there are any shipping fees they will be shown. 

[micolingo]

4 hours ago, Eibe said:

This.

Just buy from amazon.de.

Absolute gaming performance yes, it is. But all around I believe AMD is better, and even for gaming it has better value for money (which is kind of the main thing for budget builds?).

 

Anyway, since you are from Europe you either have to increase your budget by 20% or reduce the performance of your system.

 

EDIT: Actually prices are kind of similar (mainly because Ryzen CPUs are more expensive in the US - supply shortage?)

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MB8BQV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MB8BQV/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€147.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-E Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€76.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€96.30 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€48.53 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB StormX Video Card  (€284.56 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Cooler Master - CM 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply  (€51.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €786.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 19:07 CET+0100

 

Or this Intel build...

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kgR3f8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kgR3f8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€107.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€100.82 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€96.30 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€48.53 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB StormX Video Card  (€284.56 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Cooler Master - CM 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply  (€51.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €770.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 19:12 CET+0100

Do you think the i3 8100 is a good choice? I mean it comes the same as an i5 7500 which makes it great.

And for ryzen, I don't multitask, render, and all that so I don't really need hyper threading. Let me know what you think overall is it a good choice with the budget and everything.

I mean I could squeeze 100$ more for the i5 8400 trust me.

[Nocte]

1 minute ago, micolingo said:

Do you think the i3 8100 is a good choice? I mean it comes the same as an i5 7500 which makes it great.

And for ryzen, I don't multitask, render, and all that so I don't really need hyper threading. Let me know what you think overall is it a good choice with the budget and everything.

I mean I could squeeze 100$ more for the i5 8400 trust me.

Then get the i5. 

If you want to upgrade CPU in less than 4 years I’d go with Ryzen, otherwise just go with Intel. 

[micolingo]

4 minutes ago, Eibe said:

Create an amazon account and set your shipping address to your house in croatia. If there are any shipping fees they will be shown. 

Do I have to create an amazon account just for germany or is an amazon account the same for everything? I'm really stupid let me know