performance High-End Intel Build

[tom_w141]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

For $300, the 7820X is definitely worth it! It costs as much as a 1700 and performs quite a bit better in everything

Yes arguably when you get the employee discount but don't forget his discount wont apply to motherboard which is likely 3x the cost of a B350 even for the entry models

[aki99]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

I know what the discount is but for your described use case you need beyond a quad core so your choices are X299 or ryzen. The 7700k is a bad buy for your usage even at £1

Just to clarify I'd only be doing one of the things at a time, maybe the Plex server in the background sometimes - is the 7700k really a bad buy even so? Also would a similarly performing Ryzen system be much cheaper? Thanks

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

Yes arguably when you get the employee discount but don't forget his discount wont apply to motherboard which is likely 3x the cost of a B350 even for the entry models

B350 board: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dWL7YJ/asrock-ab350m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m-pro4

"Low end" X99 board: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8gYXsY/asrock-motherboard-x99extreme3

[tom_w141]

Just now, Mr_Voorakkara said:

Just to clarify I'd only be doing one of the things at a time, maybe the Plex server in the background sometimes - is the 7700k really a bad buy even so? Also would a similarly performing Ryzen system be much cheaper? Thanks

Ok i'll generalise

 

The 7700k is great for gaming and gaming only. It could also do the plex server easily but why would you want a server only available some of the time? With an 8 core it could be 24/7.

 

Your work station use however is where the 7700k is going to fall down. The obvious answer to a gaming/workstation build is Ryzen 1700 because it will be vastly cheaper and perform both tasks well.

 

HOWEVER considering your discount the X299 does become more realistic because a lot of the Intel tax is chopped off. The Ryzen will be cheaper anyway because of the motherboards but only £100-200 because the CPUs will be similarly priced. The only thing to bear in mind is that Intel have decided not to solder the X299 line up so they are expected to run hot. You may have to prepare yourself to do a delid on the X299 cpu that you wouldn't need to on the R7 1700 because AMD solder it. Lastly you are going to have to wait a little while longer to get the X299 build as its not available yet. You need to weigh all this up and make your decision. 

[BluJay614]

1 minute ago, Mr_Voorakkara said:

Just to clarify I'd only be doing one of the things at a time, maybe the Plex server in the background sometimes - is the 7700k really a bad buy even so? Also would a similarly performing Ryzen system be much cheaper? Thanks

No one is saying that the 7700K is a bad buy. The Kabylake-X and Skylake-X line ups are a bit of a hot mess that looks like a desperate response to Ryzen and ThreadRipper, not to mention a cash grab. Right now, Ryzen 7 would be the way to go with what you are wanting to do. Yes, your framerates may not be as high as with Intel, and you won't be getting your Dad's discount. However, an immense amount of progress has been made to the Ryzen platform since it was launched, and further progress is still being made. Yes, the 7700K is AMAZING for gaming, but with everything else you are wanting to do, you may want the extra threads from Ryzen.

[tom_w141]

4 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

B350 board: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dWL7YJ/asrock-ab350m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m-pro4

"Low end" X99 board: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8gYXsY/asrock-motherboard-x99extreme3

Yes but how long has X99 been around? At launch boards weren't that cheap and they won't be this time.

[aki99]

11 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Get a 7820X you should be able to get it for $300

That would be pretty great but want to try stick to the 1300-1400 range I'm in right now

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

Yes but how long has X99 been around? At launch boards weren't that cheap and they won't be this time.

The X99 Extreme3 always cost less than $200 AFAIK

[tom_w141]

Just now, Mr_Voorakkara said:

That would be pretty great but want to try stick to the 1300-1400 range I'm in right now

I personally think you should get the R7 as others have said because the 7700k isn't entirely appropriate and X299 has some deep flaws and feels cash grabby/rushed, but it does become more affordable with the discount.

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

The X99 Extreme3 always cost less than $200 AFAIK

btw 200/78 is about 2.5x so i wasn't far off  

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

btw 200/78 is about 2.5x so i wasn't far off  

But you also have to take into account that even the cheapest X99 board is high end (when compared to Z270/Z170/B350/X370 boards), so if you compare it to a board with similar features it's not too overpriced

[aki99]

@BluJay614 @tom_w141 @PCGuy_5960 Thanks for the informative answers and help guys, really appreciate it. I made this list - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yFxMYr using ryzen and it is about 140 more than my current list (about 70 over my desired budget but I could stretch if it really was worth it). I think at that price I could probably get a 7820x assuming the mobo is 200ish - which would be better in that case? And if the 7800x brings my total price to around 1360-1400 (assuming mobo is 200ish) would that be better value for money? Thanks again

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, Mr_Voorakkara said:

@BluJay614 @tom_w141 @PCGuy_5960 Thanks for the informative answers and help guys, really appreciate it. I made this list - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yFxMYr using ryzen and it is about 140 more than my current list (about 70 over my desired budget but I could stretch if it really was worth it). I think at that price I could probably get a 7820x assuming the mobo is 200ish - which would be better in that case? And if the 7800x brings my total price to around 1360-1400 (assuming mobo is 200ish) would that be better value for money? Thanks again

That CPU cooler looks nasty, i'd rather use the R7 1700 stock cooler than that one.

 

Why go for a taichi or X370 at all? You only need it if you intend on SLI. B350 is far better value for money.

 

That 1080Ti is a blower style card so not ideal.

 

I'll edit for you now.

[tom_w141]

7 minutes ago, Mr_Voorakkara said:

@BluJay614 @tom_w141 @PCGuy_5960 Thanks for the informative answers and help guys, really appreciate it. I made this list - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yFxMYr using ryzen and it is about 140 more than my current list (about 70 over my desired budget but I could stretch if it really was worth it). I think at that price I could probably get a 7820x assuming the mobo is 200ish - which would be better in that case? And if the 7800x brings my total price to around 1360-1400 (assuming mobo is 200ish) would that be better value for money? Thanks again

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£275.94 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£77.86 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: *ADATA - XPG Z1 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  (£89.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Intel - 600p Series 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£65.00) 
Storage: *Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£37.99 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Xtreme Edition 11G Video Card  (£667.98 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: *Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£55.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£68.80 @ Alza) 
Total: £1339.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-06 20:38 BST+0100

 

Add about £200-300 (motherboard and a decent AIO as it will run hot). If you are ok with those increases + waiting go for the X299. Otherwise thats a good R7 1700 build.

[aki99]

3 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

That CPU cooler looks nasty, i'd rather use the R7 1700 stock cooler than that one.

 

Why go for a taichi or X370 at all? You only need it if you intend on SLI. B350 is far better value for money.

 

That 1080Ti is a blower style card so not ideal.

 

I'll edit for you now.

Thanks, just put in stuff from parametric filters so... ?

 

I do know I'd like liquid cooling for better overclocking and I wanted an enthusiast grade board (assume the x370 is like z270) for so I'd have access all the features and pci lanes etc. for future expansion and Sli is a future possibility for me (maybe in like 1-2 years) so I'd like to keep that open.

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, Mr_Voorakkara said:

Thanks, just put in stuff from parametric filters so... ?

 

I do know I'd like liquid cooling for better overclocking and I wanted an enthusiast grade board (assume the x370 is like z270) for so I'd have access all the features and pci lanes etc. for future expansion and Sli is a future possibility for me (maybe in like 1-2 years) so I'd like to keep that open.

Change back to X370 if you want then I was just showing you  multi gpu is never worth it anyway. Some games don't support it at all and when it is supported its not like 2x GPU, its more like 1.5x

 

Be aware about pcie lane locking on X299 go and watch Linus & Jayz videos.

 

Overclocking the X299 cpus is gonna get hot, look at X99 temps and add 15-20 degrees due to X99 being soldered and X299 not being soldered.

 

Also for overclocking X299 be aware a delid will almost certainly be required so make sure you are comfortable doing this to an expensive CPU. Ryzen is soldered so a delid won't be required for overclocking.