AMD Intel sockets

[Guest]

im just wondering why does intel have like 10000 sockets and 10000 chipsets and amd has only has something like 3 sockets and about 8 chipsets

either intel has 1000000 chipsets and sockets or no one talks about amd's chipsets and sockets

 

any1 know because i find it very intresting

[needmorewood]

cause every time a new set of CPU's come out on intel it comes with a new socket and a new chipset with major features that are ahead of AMD ussually.
amd releases new Cpu's that are backwards compatible and tend to be slightly behind the intel ones. but it ussually doesnt really make a difference in terms of performance.plus high end is ussually what peoplem talk about the most and intel kinda dominates that . 

[SMURG]

cause every time a new set of CPU's come out on intel it comes with a new socket and a new chipset with major features that are ahead of AMD ussually.

amd releases new Cpu's that are backwards compatible and tend to be slightly behind the intel ones. but it ussually doesnt really make a difference in terms of performance.plus high end is ussually what peoplem talk about the most and intel kinda dominates that . 

This. Intel introduces a lot more features with every new generation of products, whereas AMD tend to keep everything but the CPU the same for a few generations. Socket changes on AMD platforms are uncommon because they rarely add new features or improve on the design, and even when they do the changes are normally small enough to allow backwards compatibility. The upshot is that there is backwards compatibility, but inevitably this opens the door for Intel to release a superior product. Regarding chipsets, Intel usually have a few chipsets for their mainstream line (i.e. Zxx, Hxx, Bxx etc.) in an attempt to ensure there is a product and price-point which is attractive to most buyers. AMD takes a more "one-size fits all" approach, with fewer chipsets and less variation between them.

Intel also appears to have a greater number of sockets available because, as you said, they dominate the high-end with LGA 1366 and LGA 2011. AMD is essentially absent from this space, so really all they have to offer is AM3+ to compete with mid-high end LGA 115x and FM2 to compete with low-end LGA 115x. Atm it generally seems to be because Intel have a lot more time and money to throw at the CPU space, whereas AMD is juggling between GPU and CPU development - hence the existence of the APU line-up which, imo, will soon become AMD's sole consumer offering.

[needmorewood]

This. Intel introduces a lot more features with every new generation of products, whereas AMD tend to keep everything but the CPU the same for a few generations. Socket changes on AMD platforms are uncommon because they rarely add new features or improve on the design, and even when they do the changes are normally small enough to allow backwards compatibility. The upshot is that there is backwards compatibility, but inevitably this opens the door for Intel to release a superior product. Regarding chipsets, Intel usually have a few chipsets for their mainstream line (i.e. Zxx, Hxx, Bxx etc.) in an attempt to ensure there is a product and price-point which is attractive to most buyers. AMD takes a more "one-size fits all" approach, with fewer chipsets and less variation between them.

Intel also appears to have a greater number of sockets available because, as you said, they dominate the high-end with LGA 1366 and LGA 2011. AMD is essentially absent from this space, so really all they have to offer is AM3+ to compete with mid-high end LGA 115x and FM2 to compete with low-end LGA 115x. Atm it generally seems to be because Intel have a lot more time and money to throw at the CPU space, whereas AMD is juggling between GPU and CPU development - hence the existence of the APU line-up which, imo, will soon become AMD's sole consumer offering.

yea but also intel likes to add 5 pins for no reason 1150 vs 1155 i believe. shit like that doesnt need to happen. they just drive motherboard sales. 

i think AMD is doing quite well in the GPU space as well. yea their CPU's aint that great but i will take an 8350 over a 4670k anyday though. imo it performs close enough to a 4770k for my use.

just to be clear i love both companies for different reasons im not a fanboy of either

[SMURG]

yea but also intel likes to add 5 pins for no reason 1150 vs 1155 i believe. shit like that doesnt need to happen. they just drive motherboard sales. 

i think AMD is doing quite well in the GPU space as well. yea their CPU's aint that great but i will take an 8350 over a 4670k anyday though. imo it performs close enough to a 4770k for my use.

just to be clear i love both companies for different reasons im not a fanboy of either

1150 > 1155 (1150 is newer anyway even if performance is similar), and they don't do it for no reason. In that example  they reduced the pins to reduce the power consumption (among other things) if anything they removed 5 pins from 1155 to get 1150 and still managed to keep performance the same as if not slightly faster (clock for clock) over 1155. It does drive motherboard sales but remember, Intel doesn't make a lot off of that. The lion's share of the money is in the CPU sales.

I'm not a fanboy either, but Intel suits my needs better so that's what I go with. They certainly piss me off in a lot of ways though (like omitting features from LGA 2011 and keeping it a generation behind so they can charge more for less). AMD definitely have a place in the market, and as I said before I think APUs are gonna be where they end up making their biggest impact. Their GPUs aren't bad either.

[AndyCapets]

yea but also intel likes to add 5 pins for no reason 1150 vs 1155 i believe. shit like that doesnt need to happen.

What in the world are you talking about...

[Samdb]

In that example they reduced the pins to reduce the power consumption.

 

They were just ground pins, no power consumption is reduced due to the pins on the motherboard.

[SMURG]

They were just ground pins, no power consumption is reduced due to the pins on the motherboard.

I was under the impression it had a small effect (one which I assumed they felt like leveraging after having reduced power consumption by moving to 20nm), but I'll bow to superior knowledge. It doesn't change the fact that it happened in reverse to what Needmorewood was saying, since if anything they removed 5 'pointless' pins from 1155 to get 1150.

[Ertman]

Amd has been upgrading their sockets more frequently for their APUs.

im just wondering why does intel have like 10000 sockets and 10000 chipsets... ...

Because they can.

[TimGOAT]

intel releases a new socket with a new cpu set, amd doesn't