Are 4gb 770's reference?

[martinrox1568]

The title says it all basically. I want to buy a 770 and i want to have it watercooled eventually. I know the 4gb's have extra vram, but does that really matter? I remember at first, a lot of titan waterblocks worked on 780's and they had half the vram. Or is it that nvidia doesn't have any 4gb 770 designs, so manufacturer use a custom pcb for all the 4gb cards?

 

I don't really want to a non-reference design because when I eventually want to sell the card and the block, I'd wanna be able to sell it to a wider audience on ebay. 

[M-ursu]

Yes it is possible, but i am not sure, how about CoolBeans

[JORDANonPC]

Yes some of them, but CoolBeans

He can't mention 9000 series anymore 

[M-ursu]

He can't mention 9000 series anymore 

why?

[Bluejay0]

Not worth it. The memory bus is too slow for that much vram and multi monitor setup. If you want an 4GB 770 go for a 780

[ComputerNoob]

The title says it all basically. I want to buy a 770 and i want to have it watercooled eventually. I know the 4gb's have extra vram, but does that really matter? I remember at first, a lot of titan waterblocks worked on 780's and they had half the vram. Or is it that nvidia doesn't have any 4gb 770 designs, so manufacturer use a custom pcb for all the 4gb cards?

 

I don't really want to a non-reference design because when I eventually want to sell the card and the block, I'd wanna be able to sell it to a wider audience on ebay. 

Are you going to be gaming in nvidia sorround? otherwise it is kind of waste of money to get the 4gig version.

[JORDANonPC]

why?

it got marked as spam because he said it so much, I didn't see it as spam personally but I guess some did 

[M-ursu]

Not worth it. The memory bus is too slow for that much vram and multi monitor setup. If you want an 4GB 770 go for a 780

780 have only 3GB

 

[Bluejay0]

it got marked as spam because he said it so much, I didn't see it as spam personally but I guess some did 

 

I't started to become spam. Though helpful in many situations, it was repetative.

[M-ursu]

it got marked as spam because he said it so much, I didn't see it as spam personally but I guess some did 

Really?!

CoolBeans 

[Bluejay0]

780 have only 3GB

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3GB is alot in my eyes. Though might not be enough... The buss does make it worth it!

[M-ursu]

3GB is alot in my eyes. Though might not be enough... The buss does make it worth it!

yes, 3gb is enough for almost everything.

[CoolBeans]

Really?!

CoolBeans

Yeap, I think I told you before, but you can keep saying it.

[M-ursu]

Yeap, I think I told you before, but you can keep saying it.

did you got warning point?

[testiclemachine]

Yeap, I think I told you before, but you can keep saying it.

We all WUV you!

[CoolBeans]

did you got warning point?

No, not exactly one of the mods told me to refrain from saying it and then I didn't get a warning point.

[Vitalius]

The title says it all basically. I want to buy a 770 and i want to have it watercooled eventually. I know the 4gb's have extra vram, but does that really matter? I remember at first, a lot of titan waterblocks worked on 780's and they had half the vram. Or is it that nvidia doesn't have any 4gb 770 designs, so manufacturer use a custom pcb for all the 4gb cards?

 

I don't really want to a non-reference design because when I eventually want to sell the card and the block, I'd wanna be able to sell it to a wider audience on ebay. 

Do not get a 770 until the 9XXX series comes out in October if you can wait that long (hint: You can). 

Do not get a 4GB version of the GTX 770 as the memory bus is not big enough to actually use all 4GB of RAM. It can use about 2.5 at most, thus wasting your money over buying a 2GB version of the card (the extra 0.5GB is not worth it and will not make much of a difference). 

 

[olneydesign]

To the OP, I have been looking into this as well and from what I can find is that they are not reference.

 

However if you want to jump right into water cooling with a 4GB 770, there is always the EVGA 04G-P4-3779-KR (Classified Hydro)

 

Do not get a 770 until the 9XXX series comes out in October if you can wait that long (hint: You can). 

Do not get a 4GB version of the GTX 770 as the memory bus is not big enough to actually use all 4GB of RAM. It can use about 2.5 at most, thus wasting your money over buying a 2GB version of the card (the extra 0.5GB is not worth it and will not make much of a difference). 

 

 

 

I am interested in getting the MSI GTX 770 4GB for GPU rendering with VRay RT.  Do you have a source for this information?  I want more ram so the rendering can handle bigger scenes. but if the card cannot even use it what is the point of spending extra money?  Would love to see a source for your max 2.5GB quote on the 770 4GB.

[Vitalius]

I am interested in getting the MSI GTX 770 4GB for GPU rendering with VRay RT.  Do you have a source for this information?  I want more ram so the rendering can handle bigger scenes. but if the card cannot even use it what is the point of spending extra money?  Would love to see a source for your max 2.5GB quote on the 770 4GB.

Here. Though I suppose that is not technically a "source" as it is an explanation of what it is and why it matters.

 

This post explains why the GTX 770 cannot use all of it's VRAM alone, but can in SLI with another GTX 770 (the memory bus doubles). That post also links to a Guru3d GTX 770 SLI review showing this.

The GTX 770 is just a rebranded, slightly overclocked version of the GTX 680, which could not utilize 4GB of VRAM alone as well. 

Generally, versions of GPUs that have double RAM (like 2GB to 4GB with the 680/770) are for SLI setups since in SLI, GPUs mirror each other's RAM to work on the same frames, effectively running RAID 1 meaning that their total VRAM is the same as a single GPU (2 GTX 770's with 4GB each in SLI will have a total of 4GB VRAM available rather than 8GB).

Here is some testing done to show how VRAM affects FPS in games/benchmarks. They go to 5760x1080 to fully stress the GPUs and fill the VRAM. If you notice, even on the highest settings, the only program that more VRAM helped was Unigine Heaven. Why? No idea, but Unigine along with any benchmarking tool is weird, so I would not trust it.

[ViperGTX88]

Having a ton of VRAM is only beneficial if you are running massive resolutions. 

[martinrox1568]

I believe they all are non reference design. 4GB is only necessary if you are running multiple monitors and crazy MSSAA. 

 

Yeah that was what I was afraid of. And I think I need atleast 3gb's just for the future. I don't really want to sell this card when the 800 series comes. Looking to sli in a year or two maybe.

Not worth it. The memory bus is too slow for that much vram and multi monitor setup. If you want an 4GB 770 go for a 780

 

Yeah, but I'd be spending another $100 for a wb on top of $650 for the 780

Are you going to be gaming in nvidia sorround? otherwise it is kind of waste of money to get the 4gig version.

I am going to use a 1440p monitor

 

yes, 3gb is enough for almost everything.

 

 

Do not get a 770 until the 9XXX series comes out in October if you can wait that long (hint: You can). 

Do not get a 4GB version of the GTX 770 as the memory bus is not big enough to actually use all 4GB of RAM. It can use about 2.5 at most, thus wasting your money over buying a 2GB version of the card (the extra 0.5GB is not worth it and will not make much of a difference). 

 

Don't really want an amd card right now. They are great cards, but I kinda like the features I'd get from the green team lol . But maybe I could wait for price drops.

 

To the OP, I have been looking into this as well and from what I can find is that they are not reference.

 

However if you want to jump right into water cooling with a 4GB 770, there is always the EVGA 04G-P4-3779-KR (Classified Hydro)

 

 

 

I am interested in getting the MSI GTX 770 4GB for GPU rendering with VRay RT.  Do you have a source for this information?  I want more ram so the rendering can handle bigger scenes. but if the card cannot even use it what is the point of spending extra money?  Would love to see a source for your max 2.5GB quote on the 770 4GB.

thanks for the suggestion, but if I was going to spend that much I'd just as well get a 780

 

Having a ton of VRAM is only beneficial if you are running massive resolutions. 

Thanks for all of the replies guys! Anyway, I am going to be running 2560x1440p. And right now I have a asus matrix 7970. Before you guys go jumping at me telling me that i won't see much improvement,  I know. I am almost 100% happy with the fps I'm getting. That part doesn't concern me. What I care about is features mostly. And right now, no matter what you say, it seems as if the green team is winning that battle right now. They just seem much more dedicated to creating a better experience. From gpuboost 2.0 to the geforce experience to shield, it seems that they have a lot more budget to spend for nice additions. 

 

Back to the main point. Like I said I am running 1440p. And I am aware of the small bus, but looking at benchmarks, the 770 still seems to be winning. So does anyone have a sure answer if the 770 4gb will work with reference waterblocks?

 

Also does anyone think any price drops are coming to combat the 9970/9950?

[Shindo]

I believe they all are non reference design. 4GB is only necessary if you are running multiple monitors and crazy MSSAA. 

3 gigs is plenty for 3 monitors, unless he's going to run >3monitors. 

[ComputerNoob]

Yeah that was what I was afraid of. And I think I need atleast 3gb's just for the future. I don't really want to sell this card when the 800 series comes. Looking to sli in a year or two maybe.

 

Yeah, but I'd be spending another $100 for a wb on top of $650 for the 780

I am going to use a 1440p monitor

 

 

 

Don't really want an amd card right now. They are great cards, but I kinda like the features I'd get from the green team lol . But maybe I could wait for price drops.

 

thanks for the suggestion, but if I was going to spend that much I'd just as well get a 780

 

Thanks for all of the replies guys! Anyway, I am going to be running 2560x1440p. And right now I have a asus matrix 7970. Before you guys go jumping at me telling me that i won't see much improvement,  I know. I am almost 100% happy with the fps I'm getting. That part doesn't concern me. What I care about is features mostly. And right now, no matter what you say, it seems as if the green team is winning that battle right now. They just seem much more dedicated to creating a better experience. From gpuboost 2.0 to the geforce experience to shield, it seems that they have a lot more budget to spend for nice additions. 

 

Back to the main point. Like I said I am running 1440p. And I am aware of the small bus, but looking at benchmarks, the 770 still seems to be winning. So does anyone have a sure answer if the 770 4gb will work with reference waterblocks?

 

Also does anyone think any price drops are coming to combat the 9970/9950?

I disagree with the green team winning the team. The 770  is rougly as powerful as the 7970. I think the 9970 will be perfect for your needs.And some people think that you are much more futureproof with 4 gigs of ram. There is a reason why a card like a 770 "only" has 2 gigs of ram. I mean the vram will probably not be the bottleneck in a few years, it will most likely be the card. 

To sum it up, i think that you should wait for the 9970 or the 9950. If you really need features like the nvidia shield support, then i would probably still wait till amd releases their new cards, since you might see a price cut on the nvidia cards.

[AMD_Nemesis]

Even if the bus on the 770 is smaller it still uses more Vram than a 780 around 3.5 gbs and get sli and boom 4gb and faster than every single card on the face of the earth.

[martinrox1568]

I disagree with the green team winning the team. The 770  is rougly as powerful as the 7970. I think the 9970 will be perfect for your needs.And some people think that you are much more futureproof with 4 gigs of ram. There is a reason why a card like a 770 "only" has 2 gigs of ram. I mean the vram will probably not be the bottleneck in a few years, it will most likely be the card. 

To sum it up, i think that you should wait for the 9970 or the 9950. If you really need features like the nvidia shield support, then i would probably still wait till amd releases their new cards, since you might see a price cut on the nvidia cards.

Actually, I totally agree with you. I can totally see the 9970 destroy the 780/ titan. I can see never settle forever be amazing. And I know that the 780 is the same speed as the 7970. But I already have a 7970 and the performance I get out of it is amazing. I can run crysis 3 on max settings no problem, and I don't see a more demanding game coming out any time soon.  And I already own all the games from never settle. But, there are something I don't like about the 7970. First of all, Asus has set the volatge at 1257mv. That means that the card runs at 83 degrees(I know its not that hot, but it still feels wierd to have a card at that temp) . And yes I can lower the voltage, but almost the second I do I get it unstable. Then there's the fact that it is a triple slot. And don't even get me started on gputweak. But then nvidia seems to have some cool features that are coming, like shadow play and shield and physx (lol just kidding about that last one)