Budget build for 3D rendering

[memewarrior]

Hello, I've recently started learning 3D (maya/vray for interior modelling and visualisation so far), and my 2007 system is in a dire need of an upgrade. My budget is 750-900$, but I'm living in eastern Europe (Belarus), so shipping will be very expensive and I plan on getting everything from local retailers: http://sli.by, http://socket.by.

 

I already have a Fractal Design Define R4 case, 1TB HDD, Noctua NH-U12P cooler and so far I decided the rest of the build to be:

FX-8350 or 8370

GeForce GTX 650 OC 4GB (?)

MSI 970A-G43 (?)

Crucial 8GB PC3-12800 x2

Crucial MX100 128GB

Cooler Master Thunder M 620W (is this a bit of an overkill? I've heared having a lot of unused power isn't that good of a thing; power consumption or whatever it may be)

 

Motherboards are confusing me, I don't really see a point in getting a more expensive one for my needs, even though I'm planing on looking into overclocking possibilities. Also, I'm sadly not very experienced with 3D software and the mechanics of rendering, so I may have underestimated how important a graphics card can be, especially for opening bigger projects in viewport (maybe someone has that sort of experience here). Any help or suggestions are welcome.

[LemonSpice]

Hello, I've recently started learning 3D (maya/vray modelling and visualisation), and my 2007 system is in a dire need of an upgrade. My budget is 750-900$

I already have Fractal Design Define R4 case, 1TB HDD, Noctua NH-U12P cooler and so far I decided the rest of the build to be:

 

FX-8350 or 8370

GeForce GTX 650 OC 4GB (?)

MSI 970A-G43 (?)

Crucial 8GB PC3-12800 x2

Crucial MX100 128GB

Cooler Master Thunder M 620W (is this a bit of an overkill? I've heared having a lot of unused power isn't that good of a thing; power consumption or whatever it may be)

 

Motherboards are confusing me, I don't really see a point in getting a more expensive one for my needs, even though I'm planing on looking into overclocking possibilities. Also, I'm sadly not very experienced with 3D software and the mechanics of rendering, so I may have underestimated how important a graphics card can be, especially for opening bigger projects in viewport (maybe someone has that sort of experience here). Any help or suggestions are welcome.

i would do a fx 8320 a coolermaster psu a decent mobo 16gb of 1866 ram a hdd and a ssd could you put this in pcpartpicker

[MeepLikesToBuildPc's]

why a 650 and no 750/Ti

[LemonSpice]

why a 650 and no 750/Ti

i dont htink he is doing cuda

[Joshua Ondangan]

i would do a fx 8320 a coolermaster psu a decent mobo 16gb of 1866 ram a hdd and a ssd could you put this in pcpartpicker

I up for the 8320 (or maybe the eco version if that matters for ts).

 

@TS

can get a 1866 cl9 ram 16gb or 8gb but if it's not in the price range then a normal 8gb (2x4gb) 1600mhz cl9 ram should be fine.

[memewarrior]

why a 650 and no 750/Ti

I decided on the card while trying to fit a tighter budget, but I am also concidering something like 750 Ti or R9 270X. Again, sadly, I'm a complete beginner and in a need of help on this question, which is really hard to get with most of CG forums having very little activity on them.

I probably will be using CUDA, as it is supported by rendrers such as vray.

i would do a fx 8320 a coolermaster psu a decent mobo 16gb of 1866 ram a hdd and a ssd could you put this in pcpartpicker

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CkXMmG

 

I up for the 8320 (or maybe the eco version if that matters for ts).

 

@TS

can get a 1866 cl9 ram 16gb or 8gb but if it's not in the price range then a normal 8gb (2x4gb) 1600mhz cl9 ram should be fine.

so why the 8320? To fit the budget, while getting a better RAM? What will be a better sacrifice, a worse video card or ram frequency?

[LemonSpice]

I decided on the card while trying to fit a tighter budget, but I am also concidering something like 750 Ti or R9 270X. Again, sadly, I'm a complete beginner and in a need of help on this question, which is really hard to get with most of CG forums having very little activity on them.

I probably will be using CUDA, as it is supported by rendrers such as vray.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CkXMmG

 

so why the 8320? To fit the budget, while getting a better RAM? What will be a better sacrifice, a worse video card or ram frequency?

Better ram and a extra hdd

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($126.00 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Shadow Rock 2 87.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler  ($49.90 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($78.99 @ Mwave) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.93 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.49 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ NCIX US) 

Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($90.98 @ Newegg) 

Total: $849.26

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-10 12:16 EST-0500

[STiJtu]

I didn't get it right, you can spend that budget without minding the parts you already have or you want those parts to be included in the price?

[LemonSpice]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($126.00 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Shadow Rock 2 87.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler  ($49.90 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($78.99 @ Mwave) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Sandisk Extreme II 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($81.49 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.49 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card  ($119.50 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ NCIX US) 

Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($90.98 @ Newegg) 

Total: $860.33

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-10 12:26 EST-0500

[memewarrior]

 

Better ram and a extra hdd

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($126.00 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Shadow Rock 2 87.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler  ($49.90 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($78.99 @ Mwave) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.93 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.49 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ NCIX US) 

Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($90.98 @ Newegg) 

Total: $849.26

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-10 12:16 EST-0500

 

 

I didn't get it right, you can spend that budget without minding the parts you already have or you want those parts to be included in the price?

I already own those 3 items and the budget is for everything else. I'm really bad at this and fell stupid right now, sorry.

 

Here are item categories I need and what I currently plan on getting with the changed RAM. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/364P99

I can afford 8350 and Vengeance Pro 2400, but I don't completely understand why do I need better frequency RAM for rendering, so if anyone has a minute for this.

I've seen diffrent rendering rigs for seemngly equal needs, but with considerably different focuses, some people go for high end i7s or xeons, some go for GTX Titans and 350$ CPUs. I'm kind of lost here, but I guess it's not such a big deal.

[LemonSpice]

the faster ram tends in this case to be better quality and will gve you siome preformance advantages the 8350 is just a higher clocked 8320 and why 128gb if you are rendering video that will be gone almost instanty

 

 

 

 

[memewarrior]

the faster ram tends in this case to be better quality and will gve you siome preformance advantages the 8350 is just a higher clocked 8320 and why 128gb if you are rendering video that will be gone almost instanty

I already have a 1TB drive and I'll consider getting another one. So, uhm, is it reasonable to get a 8320 and overclock it?

[Joshua Ondangan]

I already have a 1TB drive and I'll consider getting another one. So, uhm, is it reasonable to get a 8320 and overclock it?

yes the 8350 is just a higher clocked 8320. it's better to put saved case to other parts.

 

if can splash get a 240/250/258gb ssd .

if not then although you have 1tb hdd. might as well buy a 2nd hdd which has 2tb as storage so no need for caviar blacks and stuff. blue/red/green/ barracuda should do you fine.

 

extra storage is there for emergency cases on times you need them where you don't have extra cash to splash.

 

although it's not really needed and I don't know how heavy the stuff you make but if you're doing it like I do then a single 1tb hdd would be filled up in less than a month. which you probably won't but hey your cash.

[memewarrior]

the faster ram tends in this case to be better quality and will gve you siome preformance advantages the 8350 is just a higher clocked 8320 and why 128gb if you are rendering video that will be gone almost instanty

yes the 8350 is just a higher clocked 8320. it's better to put saved case to other parts.

 

if can splash get a 240/250/258gb ssd  .

if not then although you have 1tb hdd. might as well buy a 2nd hdd which has 2tb as storage so no need for caviar blacks and stuff. blue/red/green/ barracuda should do you fine.

 

extra storage is there for emergency cases on times you need them where you don't have extra cash to splash.

 

although it's not really needed and I don't know how heavy the stuff you make but if you're doing it like I do then a single 1tb hdd would be filled up in less than a month. which you probably won't but hey your cash.

 

 

So, the last thing is, you guys told me to get Corsair 2400 RAM, but all of the motehboards in my price range support only up to 2133 (at least that's what they tell you in the specs). What should I do? From what I've learned motherboards don't scale very well in terms of usefull stuff you get for the amounts you pay.

 

It's also hard to get Corsair here. HyperX Savage will be just as good, right?

[LemonSpice]

 

 

 

So, the last thing is, you guys told me to get Corsair 2400 RAM, but all of the motehboards in my price range support only up to 2133 (at least that's what they tell you in the specs). What should I do? From what I've learned motherboards don't scale very well in terms of usefull stuff you get for the amounts you pay.

 

It's also hard to get Corsair here. HyperX Savage will be just as good, right?

 

if your mobo on.y supports 2133 then it normally can hit at leat 2666 but 2133-2400 is the sweet spot

[brob]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($249.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus H97-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($100.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.93 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($0.00)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($0.00)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $870.12
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-11 09:19 EST-0500

[memewarrior]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($249.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Asus H97-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($100.24 @ Amazon)

Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.93 @ Amazon)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($0.00)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($329.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($0.00)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $870.12

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-11 09:19 EST-0500

Thanks, but that's stretching the budget even without the shipping costs, and EVGA video isn't available in my country, but it'd be overpriced if it was (as everything else is). Also, it seems like too little memory for rendering, which is low frequency as well.

[brob]

Thanks, but that's stretching the budget even without the shipping costs, and EVGA video isn't available in my country, but it'd be overpriced if it was (as everything else is). Also, it seems like too little memory for rendering, which is low frequency as well.

 

While memory speed does make a difference in rendering the difference is not that great. In fact, unless one is doing large projects the performance difference would not be noticeable.

 

Vray can use gpu to accelerate its work. It seems to me then that the most powerful gpu that fits the budget would be desirable.

 

As far as the amount of memory is concerned, 16GB would be nice but unless one is working on fairly large projects I don't think it necessary. After all with virtual memory and the speed of an ssd performance will be quite good with 8GB. It really is a matter of where to allocate the resources. A more powerful gpu I believe will contribute more to performance than an additional 8GB of memory.

 

It would be helpful if the OP was update to reflect the fact that parts are not being purchased in the US and/or shipping costs, and presumably taxes, must be included in the budget. If you have a link or two for local merchants, providing those would be quite helpful as availability and prices can then be determined.

[memewarrior]

While memory speed does make a difference in rendering the difference is not that great. In fact, unless one is doing large projects the performance difference would not be noticeable.

 

Vray can use gpu to accelerate its work. It seems to me then that the most powerful gpu that fits the budget would be desirable.

 

As far as the amount of memory is concerned, 16GB would be nice but unless one is working on fairly large projects I don't think it necessary. After all with virtual memory and the speed of an ssd performance will be quite good with 8GB. It really is a matter of where to allocate the resources. A more powerful gpu I believe will contribute more to performance than an additional 8GB of memory.

 

It would be helpful if the OP was update to reflect the fact that parts are not being purchased in the US and/or shipping costs, and presumably taxes, must be included in the budget. If you have a link or two for local merchants, providing those would be quite helpful as availability and prices can then be determined.

 

Everything you've wrote makes a lot of sense. I'm not planing on dealing with relatively large scenes in the near future (which single room interiors even with a few high poly objects aren't, I presume), and memory options seem to be very flexible for upgrade planning (with the only thing concerning me if 4x4GB solutions work well on mid to low grade boards). I updated the OP, but those sites are in russian, so all that help will take a big altruistic effort lol.

[brob]

Everything you've wrote makes a lot of sense. I'm not planing on dealing with relatively large scenes in the near future (which single room interiors even with a few high poly objects aren't, I presume), and memory options seem to be very flexible for upgrade planning (with the only thing concerning me if 4x4GB solutions work well on mid to low grade boards). I updated the OP, but those sites are in russian, so all that help will take a big altruistic effort lol.

 

4x4GB works fine. But you may have to fiddle a bit with memory settings if it is made up of two 2x4GB kits. You can also run 2x4GB + 2x8GB  for a total of 24GB. Same caution on having to adjust memory settings to achieve optimal speed and timings. I would not have any worries with mid-range boards.

 

I am having a little trouble understanding pricing at the two web sites. On http://www.sli.by/MSI-GeForce-GTX-970-Gaming-4GB-GDDR5--GTX-970-GAMING-4G-.html I presume the $418 is if paid in US$ while 4 556 200руб (4.556.200,00) is the price in Rubles. But currency converters tell me that many rubles is just under $98,000. So I am obviously reading the price incorrectly.

[memewarrior]

4x4GB works fine. But you may have to fiddle a bit with memory settings if it is made up of two 2x4GB kits. You can also run 2x4GB + 2x8GB  for a total of 24GB. Same caution on having to adjust memory settings to achieve optimal speed and timings. I would not have any worries with mid-range boards.

 

I am having a little trouble understanding pricing at the two web sites. On http://www.sli.by/MSI-GeForce-GTX-970-Gaming-4GB-GDDR5--GTX-970-GAMING-4G-.html I presume the $418 is if paid in US$ while 4 556 200руб (4.556.200,00) is the price in Rubles. But currency converters tell me that many rubles is just under $98,000. So I am obviously reading the price incorrectly.

 

These prices are in belarusian rubles. It should be quite hard to navigate on the sites and use them, as chrome doesn't seem to be translating into english anything on them.

[brob]

These prices are in belarusian rubles. It should be quite hard to navigate on the sites and use them, as chrome doesn't seem to be translating into english anything on them.

 

Silly me, that explains things.

 

It actually is not that hard navigating foreign language web sites. I have found that brand and model names tend to be consistent so searching for known brands or even model numbers works most of the time.

[memewarrior]

Silly me, that explains things.

 

It actually is not that hard navigating foreign language web sites. I have found that brand and model names tend to be consistent so searching for known brands or even model numbers works most of the time.

 

Some of them are out of stock, like the card you've linked. With details like that it can get pretty confusing.

[memewarrior]

So, trying to work with what all of you guys here suggested I've came up with this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vfCtrH

You've already been a lot of help, but does anyone has anything to say? Should I get 1 8GB high frequency plank with uogrades in mind; is this video on overkill as this mobo/the rest of the config concidered?

[brob]

So, trying to work with what all of you guys here suggested I've came up with this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vfCtrH

You've already been a lot of help, but does anyone has anything to say? Should I get 1 8GB high frequency plank with uogrades in mind; is this video on overkill as this mobo/the rest of the config concidered?

 

I would spend less on the memory - getting a 2x4GB DDR3-1600 CL9 kit. And more on the motherboard - getting a 990X or 990FX board for better overclocking.

 

Definitely get a 2x memory kit to take advantage of dual channel operation. It still allows for a memory upgrade to 16GB or 24GB.

 

The gpu is fine.