New rig for gaming

[pgetsos]

Hi everyone!

 

I'm trying to build for 1st time a rig for gaming and developing. My budget is 900-1000€ which means 950-1050$ (since everything in Greece converts from 1$ to around 1€). So, right now i have in my mind:

 

CPU: i5-4670K (210€)

GPU: 770 (probably the GigaByte Windforce  3X one, or the Asus one) (295€)

RAM: 8GB HyperX Fury clocked at 1866MHz (and 8GB more next year...) (70€)

Storage: 1TB Caviar Blue - 128GB SSD (probably Samsung Evo 840, suggestions accepted!) (50+70=120€)

 

And i need PSU, Case & M/B...

 

First of all, should i give 5$ more for the 4690K? Or is it just an overclocked version? I wanted the 4770 but it's 55 euros more, is it worth it THAT much?

 

Secondly, a MotherBoard... I know i need a Z87 m/b and... that's all i know about motherboards...   Any suggestions at the 100-160$ range? I don't need WiFi card or more than 1 HDMI ports, but i am thinking about a 2-SLI configuration in a couple of years...

 

As for the PSU, i am considering a 650-watt one, would it be enough for 2 770's? My choices so far are CoolerMaster G650M(75€)/V650(110), Thermaltake Smart M650W(90€), Thermaltake Smart SE 730W(75€)(in case i need more power or being future-proof )

 

Now, for the case, i'd love a windowed one... CM HAF X is my love but 160 euros are just too much! Corsair C70 and Obsidian 450D are nice (both 110€) or the 230T(75) and also the Thermaltake A31(75)...

TT Commander MS-I/II look good at 50euros but i have read kinda bad things for the quality... Last choices the Fractal Define R4(110) and CM Storm Scouter 2(80)...

 

Since it's my first building, i need good cable management and nice SSD(and HDD) management too (like in the 450D)... Which do you suggest?

 

 

 

Sorry for my chaotic post :unsure: I have added the price at everything so you know what to suggest   Thanks in advance

[das affe]

You don't need an i7 for those threads. you can have the same as the i7 just without onboard graphics but clocked a little lower.
http://www.amazon.de/Intel-BX80646E31230V3-Quad-Core-Prozessor-Sockel/dp/B00D69PY1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402952527&sr=8-1&keywords=intel+xeon+e3-1230+v3
I would take a 700w psu if i was you
and for mainboards. i've never had any bad experiences with gigabyte. my friends haven't had bad experiences either.
for cases: go for the looks but remember, you my want to keep it for a while and its propably the only thing you will always see. you may want something elegant. 

[Megazero]

Hi everyone!

 

I'm trying to build for 1st time a rig for gaming and developing. My budget is 900-1000€ which means 950-1050$ (since everything in Greece converts from 1$ to around 1€). So, right now i have in my mind:

 

CPU: i5-4670K (210€)

GPU: 770 (probably the GigaByte Windforce  3X one, or the Asus one) (295€)

RAM: 8GB HyperX Fury clocked at 1866MHz (and 8GB more next year...) (70€)

Storage: 1TB Caviar Blue - 128GB SSD (probably Samsung Evo 840, suggestions accepted!) (50+70=120€)

 

And i need PSU, Case & M/B...

 

First of all, should i give 5$ more for the 4690K? Or is it just an overclocked version? I wanted the 4770 but it's 55 euros more, is it worth it THAT much?

 

Secondly, a MotherBoard... I know i need a Z87 m/b and... that's all i know about motherboards...   Any suggestions at the 100-160$ range? I don't need WiFi card or more than 1 HDMI ports, but i am thinking about a 2-SLI configuration in a couple of years...

 

As for the PSU, i am considering a 650-watt one, would it be enough for 2 770's? My choices so far are CoolerMaster G650M(75€)/V650(110), Thermaltake Smart M650W(90€), Thermaltake Smart SE 730W(75€)(in case i need more power or being future-proof )

 

Now, for the case, i'd love a windowed one... CM HAF X is my love but 160 euros are just too much! Corsair C70 and Obsidian 450D are nice (both 110€) or the 230T(75) and also the Thermaltake A31(75)...

TT Commander MS-I/II look good at 50euros but i have read kinda bad things for the quality... Last choices the Fractal Define R4(110) and CM Storm Scouter 2(80)...

 

Since it's my first building, i need good cable management and nice SSD(and HDD) management too (like in the 450D)... Which do you suggest?

 

 

 

Sorry for my chaotic post :unsure: I have added the price at everything so you know what to suggest   Thanks in advance

What's your total budget? and can you give me the link to the website you are buying from?

[napster007]

For mobo, go with the MSI gaming or M power, X power series.

And yes, go ahead with the Haswell refresh.

[pgetsos]

Well, Z97 M-Power is a bit expensive, i think(and Z87 MP is more expensive...). For 15€ i can buy Asus Z87-Pro... Is it worse?

 

What's your total budget? and can you give me the link to the website you are buying from?

I'm saying at the beginning, max 1000-1050$

 

All prices are taken from this site which has prices from almost every Greek shop: https://www.skroutz.gr/

[Megazero]

Well, Z97 M-Power is a bit expensive, i think(and Z87 MP is more expensive...). For 15€ i can buy Asus Z87-Pro... Is it worse?

 

I'm saying at the beginning, max 1000-1050$

 

All prices are taken from this site which has prices from almost every Greek shop: https://www.skroutz.gr/

Do you mean 1000 EUR instead?

Anyway, let's get something similar to this, since I have no idea how to use that site

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($239.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($84.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($84.98 @ OutletPC) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($52.92 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($319.99 @ Amazon) 

Case: Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $1042.82

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-16 18:06 EDT-0400

The case depend on your, whichever one you like

[pgetsos]

Well, 1$=1€ for most products :rolleyes:
Just type what you are searching for and press enter, after that it's easy    Thanks for your time btw

 

Why this M/B? I mean, why is it better than the Asus Z87-Pro? (Other than the much sexier looks :wub: )

 

As for the card, i think i will go with the Gigabytes 3X since it supports 4K res. (not for gaming, obviously)

[Megazero]

Well, 1$=1€ for most products :rolleyes:

Just type what you are searching for and press enter, after that it's easy    Thanks for your time btw

 

Why this M/B? I mean, why is it better than the Asus Z87-Pro? (Other than the much sexier looks :wub: )

 

As for the card, i think i will go with the Gigabytes 3X since it supports 4K res. (not for gaming, obviously)

I choose the MSI Z97 G45 for the look + it's Z97 so you can run the i5 4690k + it have all the function you will ever need from a Mobo: good sound quality, 6 Stata 6GB/s ports, Killer 2220 Ethernet etc while still being cheap.

the MSI GTX 770 should be ok for it as well. Plus with the MSI Mobo when it detected that it run a MSI GPU it will give the GPU a slight boost.

[pgetsos]

Doesn't Z87 support Haswell Refresh as well? You are convicing me, i have to admit... The MSI one is clocked lower and supports up to 2560x1600 This "boost" works for other companies as well?

 

As for the PSU, which of the ones i wrote above do you suggest? The Corsair CX 600W is 66€ so i'd prefer a 650W option at least I'm thinking of the 730 one for the future SLI i want to have (even though from PSU calculators i believe 650 would be enough)... Is Thermaltake reliable?

[pgetsos]

One addition to the above questions: Should i wait for DDR4/Broadwell/8xx? Would any of these be a really big leap forward from DDR3/HR/7xx ?

[Megazero]

Doesn't Z87 support Haswell Refresh as well? You are convicing me, i have to admit... The MSI one is clocked lower and supports up to 2560x1600 This "boost" works for other companies as well?

 

As for the PSU, which of the ones i wrote above do you suggest? The Corsair CX 600W is 66€ so i'd prefer a 650W option at least I'm thinking of the 730 one for the future SLI i want to have (even though from PSU calculators i believe 650 would be enough)... Is Thermaltake reliable?

Please quote me next time or  I wont notice it

As far as I can remember that only EVGA clarifies that their Z87 will support Haswell Refresh with a bios update on their mobo, IDK about other Mobo maker though. The boost wont work for other companies, it should not be a very significant boost anyway but then a boost is a boost I choose MSI one because of that boost + color scheme + the very facts that it's one of the cheapese 770 with a decent custom cooler that work well enough for OC :3

IDK where you found that it only support up to 1600p, since it said in their site + Nvidia site that it support up to 4096x2160@24Hz, it wont really be a matter anyway though since you wont be able to run games at higher than 1440p very well on a 770, even 780 might have problems with that, and for normal use (movie etc) it do support up to 4096x2160 at 24Hz = movies refresh rate so it's all good :3 But remember that not every port support 4096x2160, read this disclaimer on Nvidia site about the 770: "3840x2160 at 30Hz or 4096x2160 at 24Hz supported over HDMI. 4096x2160 (including 3840x2160) at 60Hz supported over Displayport. Support for 4k tiled MST displays requires 326.19 driver or later."

For PSU, I choose the CX 600 because its price is cheaper in US, so... and if you want to take future SLI in to consideration then you will probably need something around 750W. Thermaltake... their PSUs review is sort of bad, so I'd suggest sticking with Corsair/Seasonic/CoolerMaster

For the addtional question, should you wait or not... totally up to you if you can wait and your current rig can stand until that day then wait, if not then there's no point waiting. New technology come out all the time so by the time DDR4/boardwell/870 880 is out there's probably already DDR5/some evil stuff/9xx on the plan already so... :3

[pgetsos]

Please quote me next time or I wont notice it

As far as I can remember that only EVGA clarifies that their Z87 will support Haswell Refresh with a bios update on their mobo, IDK about other Mobo maker though. The boost wont work for other companies, it should not be a very significant boost anyway but then a boost is a boost I choose MSI one because of that boost + color scheme + the very facts that it's one of the cheapese 770 with a decent custom cooler that work well enough for OC :3

IDK where you found that it only support up to 1600p, since it said in their site + Nvidia site that it support up to 4096x2160@24Hz, it wont really be a matter anyway though since you wont be able to run games at higher than 1440p very well on a 770, even 780 might have problems with that, and for normal use (movie etc) it do support up to 4096x2160 at 24Hz = movies refresh rate so it's all good :3 But remember that not every port support 4096x2160, read this disclaimer on Nvidia site about the 770: "3840x2160 at 30Hz or 4096x2160 at 24Hz supported over HDMI. 4096x2160 (including 3840x2160) at 60Hz supported over Displayport. Support for 4k tiled MST displays requires 326.19 driver or later."

For PSU, I choose the CX 600 because its price is cheaper in US, so... and if you want to take future SLI in to consideration then you will probably need something around 750W. Thermaltake... their PSUs review is sort of bad, so I'd suggest sticking with Corsair/Seasonic/CoolerMaster

For the addtional question, should you wait or not... totally up to you if you can wait and your current rig can stand until that day then wait, if not then there's no point waiting. New technology come out all the time so by the time DDR4/boardwell/870 880 is out there's probably already DDR5/some evil stuff/9xx on the plan already so... :3

Oh, didn't know that, thanks

I saw the info on a couple of shops' pages, so considered it true... I want 4K mainly for movies, as I am thinking buying a 4k monitor in a couple of years... And also here all 770s are at 290-300€ range

I thought Thermaltake is a reliable company... Will search it

I'm asking mainly because I read 8xx will be a huge step forward... When are they supposed to come out?

[Megazero]

Oh, didn't know that, thanks

I saw the info on a couple of shops' pages, so considered it true... I want 4K mainly for movies, as I am thinking buying a 4k monitor in a couple of years... And also here all 770s are at 290-300€ range

I thought Thermaltake is a reliable company... Will search it

I'm asking mainly because I read 8xx will be a huge step forward... When are they supposed to come out?

Question though, why would you want 4k monitor for your PC to watch movie? Cause if you are sitting so close to the monitor 4k is only a bit sharper compare to 1080p or alike movie anyway isnt it ? Why not a 21:9 monitor instead? the one Linus review a while ago with Ultra HD, that will giave you a very good gaming experience as well as movie experience, not to mention working

Currently no one know what so ever about the 8xx series so... I cant really say. judging from how 600 to 700 series turn out to be, I suppose the 800 is about the same compare to 700, so something along the line of 770 = 860 OCed and the 800 series with get more attentions on driver update from Nvidia ?

 

[pgetsos]

Question though, why would you want 4k monitor for your PC to watch movie? Cause if you are sitting so close to the monitor 4k is only a bit sharper compare to 1080p or alike movie anyway isnt it ? Why not a 21:9 monitor instead? the one Linus review a while ago with Ultra HD, that will giave you a very good gaming experience as well as movie experience, not to mention working

Currently no one know what so ever about the 8xx series so... I cant really say. judging from how 600 to 700 series turn out to be, I suppose the 800 is about the same compare to 700, so something along the line of 770 = 860 OCed and the 800 series with get more attentions on driver update from Nvidia ?

Right now I have a 1080i tv used as a monitor (even this is too much for my 8600gt....) which is 32".. Now that I am used to that big screen I can't use anything smaller than 27"... At 32 inches I believe the 4K resolution is quite a big difference Right now, the 768p I am using is quite disturbing...

just like Linus, I hate 21:9 ratio, I prefer the 16:10 one

[Megazero]

Right now I have a 1080i tv used as a monitor (even this is too much for my 8600gt....) which is 32".. Now that I am used to that big screen I can't use anything smaller than 27"... At 32 inches I believe the 4K resolution is quite a big difference Right now, the 768p I am using is quite disturbing...

just like Linus, I hate 21:9 ratio, I prefer the 16:10 one

Linus actually like that 21:9 over 4k as he said in that video :3

if you have a 32" 1080p... I really dont see why you need a 4k but well, up to you

[pgetsos]

Linus actually like that 21:9 over 4k as he said in that video :3

if you have a 32" 1080p... I really dont see why you need a 4k but well, up to you

I'm talking about the ratio, I remember he said he wasn't fan of the ratio

It's 1080i with many small problems like really slow response time, if anything is static for more than 10 seconds burns in for almost a minute etc... Only 200$ in 2009-2010 so can't have many complains, to be honest...

[napster007]

One addition to the above questions: Should i wait for DDR4/Broadwell/8xx? Would any of these be a really big leap forward from DDR3/HR/7xx ?

DDR4 will be too expensive. Also you'll have to go with the X99 platform...which ofcourse will cost you 2000$+.

 

You can also go with MSI Z97 gaming 3, same price as G45. Why not use the latest hardware when it's available at the same price?

[napster007]

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[napster007]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($83.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card  ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $993.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 02:18 EDT-0400

 

I saved you some money, you can use it to buy something else...

[pgetsos]

DDR4 will be too expensive. Also you'll have to go with the X99 platform...which ofcourse will cost you 2000$+.

You can also go with MSI Z97 gaming 3, same price as G45. Why not use the latest hardware when it's available at the same price?

what's the difference between gaming 3 and g45?

Thanks for the answer,I think I have made up my mind and the only thing left is the case...

Thanks everyone for answering

[napster007]

what's the difference between gaming 3 and g45?

Thanks for the answer,I think I have made up my mind and the only thing left is the case...

Thanks everyone for answering

 

Please check the attached pdf file.

 

The case is fine, go ahead.

MSI Global - Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Motherboard, Graphics and more.pdf

[pgetsos]

Please check the attached pdf file.

 

The case is fine, go ahead.

From what i see, it doesn't support SLI, right?

[napster007]

From what i see, it doesn't support SLI, right?

 

Yeah.

[pgetsos]

Yeah.

 

 

I choose the MSI Z97 G45 for the look

 

One last(i hope) question!

 

G45 vs Gigabyte Z97X-SOC vs Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 7?

 

99% my 770 will be the Gigabyte's one, if it matters...

 

Thanks guys

[Megazero]

One last(i hope) question!

 

G45 vs Gigabyte Z97X-SOC vs Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 7?

 

99% my 770 will be the Gigabyte's one, if it matters...

 

Thanks guys

They are pretty much the same with the Gaming 7 having M2 Sata while the other 2 dont, but that's not popular right now anyway. The SOC support uo to 4 ways Crossfire while the other 2 support up to 3 ways Crossfire, but they all only support 2 ways SLI (which is all I ever recommend, more than 2 ways is a waste of money).