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I bought a used Precision 3560 and immediately booted into its BIOS to change some options upon receiving it. Now, the system is boot looping / power cycling and I cannot even get back into the BIOS before it reboots again.

Its power and battery lights aren't flashing in any way that resembles an error code listed on Dell's site, what happens is the system turns on, the screen backlight comes on, and in under a second it reboots.

What I changed in BIOS:

-disabled wake on LAN and any network boot option

-disabled "pause on warnings/errors" or something like that

 

I believe Secure Boot and UEFI BIOS are enabled, and the TPM 2.0 is also enabled.

 

What I think happens is the laptop throws a "no bootable devices" error, but because I disabled the setting to pause on POST errors, it reboots and tries to boot from that same SSD (which has no OS).

I've plugged in some USB drives with Windows installers but I suppose since secure boot is on, the laptop won't boot from them? (They aren't UEFI versions, they're BIOS/CSM versions of the installer.)

 

The system doesn't have a CMOS battery I can pull, should I just disconnect the battery for a few minutes and come back....? or is there something else I need to do

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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1. CMOS/BIOS reset: On many Dell Precisions there isn’t a separate coin cell CMOS battery, but disconnecting the main battery and holding the power button 30–60s will usually clear NVRAM/BIOS settings. Some models also have a tiny pinhole reset button or pads on the motherboard labeled RTC reset  worth checking the service manual.

2. Boot media: The USB installers you mentioned need to be UEFI compatible if Secure Boot is on. Either (a) recreate your Windows installer with the Microsoft Media Creation Tool that will make a UEFI bootable USB, or (b) disable Secure Boot temporarily once you can get back into BIOS. Legacy CSM installers won’t boot with Secure Boot enabled.

Once you reset BIOS to defaults and have a proper UEFI installer, you should be able to boot and install Windows normally.

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3 minutes ago, FilipposTechGR said:

1. CMOS/BIOS reset: On many Dell Precisions there isn’t a separate coin cell CMOS battery, but disconnecting the main battery and holding the power button 30–60s will usually clear NVRAM/BIOS settings. Some models also have a tiny pinhole reset button or pads on the motherboard labeled RTC reset  worth checking the service manual.

2. Boot media: The USB installers you mentioned need to be UEFI compatible if Secure Boot is on. Either (a) recreate your Windows installer with the Microsoft Media Creation Tool that will make a UEFI bootable USB, or (b) disable Secure Boot temporarily once you can get back into BIOS. Legacy CSM installers won’t boot with Secure Boot enabled.

Once you reset BIOS to defaults and have a proper UEFI installer, you should be able to boot and install Windows normally.

I have tried both methods for resetting.

I cannot get back into the BIOS unfortunately, thanks for the tip. I've made a UEFI drive to use if I can ever get back into the boot menu

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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4 minutes ago, danalog said:

I have tried both methods for resetting.

I cannot get back into the BIOS unfortunately, thanks for the tip. I've made a UEFI drive to use if I can ever get back into the boot menu

disconnect the main battery and AC adapter, hold the power button for 30–60s, then reconnect and try booting again while repeatedly tapping F2 or F12 for the one time boot menu on Dells.

If that fails, some Precisions have a small BIOS recovery mode you can trigger by holding Ctrl+Esc while plugging in AC power  it should bring up a BIOS recovery screen. Check the service manual for your exact model.

Since you already have a proper UEFI installer, once you regain BIOS/boot menu access it should detect your USB.

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@FilipposTechGR Bold + Italic is barely readable when using the dark theme.
Also, you do know what bold, and italic are used for?
Putting either (or worse: both) on your whole post defeats their purpose.
 

3 hours ago, danalog said:

I bought a used Precision 3560 and immediately booted into its BIOS to change some options upon receiving it. Now, the system is boot looping / power cycling and I cannot even get back into the BIOS before it reboots again.

Its power and battery lights aren't flashing in any way that resembles an error code listed on Dell's site, what happens is the system turns on, the screen backlight comes on, and in under a second it reboots.

What I changed in BIOS:

-disabled wake on LAN and any network boot option

-disabled "pause on warnings/errors" or something like that

...

What I think happens is the laptop throws a "no bootable devices" error, but because I disabled the setting to pause on POST errors, it reboots and tries to boot from that same SSD (which has no OS).

Even so, it should allow you to enter BIOS, try spamming the F2 key faster. (also, try with an external USB KB)

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Just now, Biohazard777 said:

@FilipposTechGR Bold + Italic is barely readable when using a dark theme.
Also, you do know what bold, and italic are used for?
Putting either (or worse: both) on your whole post defeats their purpose.
 

Even so, it should allow you to enter BIOS, try spamming the F2 key faster. (also, try with an external USB KB)

i've tried hitting it very, very fast. Unfortunately no luck. 

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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