Looking for new gpu...

[iNeedy]

I am upgrading my GTX 1660 Super soon so I can play more demanding games. My PSU only has an 8 pin connector, is there a good, 2 fan-small form-factor GPU out there that can run Starfield, 12 GB vram?  My ceiling for wattage is about 200 on the GPU, hopefully I can find a GPU that is a little less than that.

I found this 3060 on amazon, I look on the picture and I see an 8 pin port on it, but I can't find a single documented 3060 on the internet anywhere that says it has a single 8 pin port. Can someone verify this?

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-RTX-3060-12G/dp/B08WPRMVWB/ref=sr_1_3?crid=OW372BFKTR9I&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ZfUrwbLQlTjCdY2LUP-Qj-W-6aNwQ2P0CYFGfqoUsheh8R35zUm9X_rWm39vdMqRkziCpTmk6hh7gUIWRPAEkgczleH2t9Qx-EHoFkMD3ndJw-mlswtUjZIALKhKLF4a71JSxAm1H7JqKFo2udFqUFJC3d_55SpJ_cl-W9I7Nt61W3-xH-j1kOza4MkXYVJScNvB4DFkFGk7WBTvQXermhPFCTqi8V_aSG61v2zgg4TlDCYngnib9HWiiwfbHPuiZ8H_B5nFEz49sIG_i2OFJ08lY9dBhcho3JAlllnu2Xo.7JN55-fCuw0eU73yzmDAliF7C6N9NpJWo3tPPgfE6iA&dib_tag=se&keywords=gpu+12+gb&qid=1711030006&s=electronics&sprefix=gpu+12+%2Celectronics%2C434&sr=1-3

[TatamiMatt]

5 minutes ago, iNeedy said:

I am upgrading my GTX 1660 Super soon so I can play more demanding games. My PSU only has an 8 pin connector, is there a good, 2 fan-small form-factor GPU out there that can run Starfield, 12 GB vram?  My ceiling for wattage is about 200 on the GPU, hopefully I can find a GPU that is a little less than that.

I found this 3060 on amazon, I look on the picture and I see an 8 pin port on it, but I can't find a single documented 3060 on the internet anywhere that says it has a single 8 pin port. Can someone verify this?

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-RTX-3060-12G/dp/B08WPRMVWB/ref=sr_1_3?crid=OW372BFKTR9I&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ZfUrwbLQlTjCdY2LUP-Qj-W-6aNwQ2P0CYFGfqoUsheh8R35zUm9X_rWm39vdMqRkziCpTmk6hh7gUIWRPAEkgczleH2t9Qx-EHoFkMD3ndJw-mlswtUjZIALKhKLF4a71JSxAm1H7JqKFo2udFqUFJC3d_55SpJ_cl-W9I7Nt61W3-xH-j1kOza4MkXYVJScNvB4DFkFGk7WBTvQXermhPFCTqi8V_aSG61v2zgg4TlDCYngnib9HWiiwfbHPuiZ8H_B5nFEz49sIG_i2OFJ08lY9dBhcho3JAlllnu2Xo.7JN55-fCuw0eU73yzmDAliF7C6N9NpJWo3tPPgfE6iA&dib_tag=se&keywords=gpu+12+gb&qid=1711030006&s=electronics&sprefix=gpu+12+%2Celectronics%2C434&sr=1-3

Yes its only got 1 single 8 pin PCIe power port

[iNeedy]

1 minute ago, TatamiMatt said:

Yes its only got 1 single 8 pin PCIe power port

Is that the only 3060 available that has that? I think this GPU would be the best choice because I dont have the most space in my PC, and i need room for my cable-mismanaged SSD assortment. If you need a reference, I am putting it in a HP Victus 15L. The case's length  is about 11 inches, and the width is about 7 or 6. Would this fit? I really want the length to be about 7 inches, so I will have room for my cables, not to mention breathing space.

[Tetras]

3060 does have a single 8 pin (except the FE), but I wouldn't upgrade to a 3060 from a 1660 Super. TPU's database has it as 44% faster and in HUB's Starfield results it only achieved 34 FPS average at 1080p native (medium settings). I think you have to use DLSS to achieve decent FPS.

 

If the card needs to be short, take a look at Zotac's twin edge.

[TatamiMatt]

4 minutes ago, iNeedy said:

Is that the only 3060 available that has that? I think this GPU would be the best choice because I dont have the most space in my PC, and i need room for my cable-mismanaged SSD assortment. If you need a reference, I am putting it in a HP Victus 15L. The case's length  is about 11 inches, and the width is about 7 or 6. Would this fit? I really want the length to be about 7 inches, so I will have room for my cables, not to mention breathing space.

I think all 3060s only use 1 8pin power, my gigabyte 12gb gaming oc only had one too

[TatamiMatt]

1 minute ago, Tetras said:

3060 does have a single 8 pin (except the FE), but I wouldn't upgrade to a 3060 from a 1660 Super. TPU's database has it as 44% faster and in HUB's Starfield results it only achieved 34 FPS average at 1080p native (medium settings). I think you have to use DLSS to achieve decent FPS.

 

If the card needs to be short, take a look at Zotac's twin edge.

quality DLSS i think puts it around an average of like 65ish fps

[iNeedy]

7 minutes ago, Tetras said:

3060 does have a single 8 pin (except the FE), but I wouldn't upgrade to a 3060 from a 1660 Super. TPU's database has it as 44% faster and in HUB's Starfield results it only achieved 34 FPS average at 1080p native (medium settings). I think you have to use DLSS to achieve decent FPS.

 

If the card needs to be short, take a look at Zotac's twin edge.

Yes, but the super only has 6 GB vram, and it appears Starfield will struggle to run on it, however, it struggles to run on anything, to be honest.

I want to play an advanced space game, like SC or Starfield, but im not totally sure anymore that this isn't an endless money pit. Im just gonna be chasing the pot of gold at the end of the Lucky Charms rainbow, if you feel me. Bethesda cant make a solid, stable game. I can play WoT on everything cranked up, and with 8 gb ram. If a bunch of dumb russians in Belarus can do that, Bethesda can

[TatamiMatt]

4 minutes ago, iNeedy said:

Yes, but the super only has 6 GB vram, and it appears Starfield will struggle to run on it, however, it struggles to run on anything, to be honest.

What about this?

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CH1R789W?psc=1&th=1&linkCode=gs2&tag=pcp0f-21

[iNeedy]

9 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

What about this?

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CH1R789W?psc=1&th=1&linkCode=gs2&tag=pcp0f-21

I cant trust that, seems like a random brand. Looking sub 300 dollars. Like i said, this might be a useless endeavor cause starfield might run like dogshit anyways

[TatamiMatt]

12 minutes ago, iNeedy said:

I cant trust that, seems like a random brand. Looking sub 300 dollars. Like i said, this might be a useless endeavor cause starfield might run like dogshit anyways

powercolour is one of the biggest AMD AIB brands, that one (6750XT) is a decently significant upgrade over the 3060 but for a hard limit of under 300 for new idk if you can get much better than the 3060

[Tetras]

11 minutes ago, iNeedy said:

I cant trust that, seems like a random brand. Looking sub 300 dollars. Like i said, this might be a useless endeavor cause starfield might run like dogshit anyways

They're a huge manufacturer of AMD cards, no less reliable than MSI and in that benchmark on HUB where I quoted the 3060 12GB hitting 34 FPS average, the 6750 XT TatamiMatt linked gets 61 FPS. That was near release though, when Starfield favoured AMD cards and there's been optimisation for/by nvidia since then, so the gap is probably not as large, but the 67x0 XT is and always will be a tier up from the 3060.

[TatamiMatt]

17 minutes ago, Tetras said:

They're a huge manufacturer of AMD cards, no less reliable than MSI and in that benchmark on HUB where I quoted the 3060 12GB hitting 34 FPS average, the 6750 XT TatamiMatt linked gets 61 FPS. That was near release though, when Starfield favoured AMD cards and there's been optimisation for/by nvidia since then, so the gap is probably not as large, but the 67x0 XT is and always will be a tier up from the 3060.

I believe its about 50 for 3060, 65ish now 6700 XT now and i assume higher for the 6750XT, possibly 70/75ish but only 1 benchmark i dont put all my faith in, slight increase with optimisations for AMD but further increase to 3060 again

 

(EDIT: All with FSR 2 on btw)

[venomtail]

43 minutes ago, iNeedy said:

I cant trust that, seems like a random brand. Looking sub 300 dollars. Like i said, this might be a useless endeavor cause starfield might run like dogshit anyways

I'd pick powercolor over MSI any day. No nonsense, doesn't overly rely on ads and flashy branding so sell a card unlike MSI.

[Tetras]

1 hour ago, iNeedy said:

Is that the only 3060 available that has that? I think this GPU would be the best choice because I dont have the most space in my PC, and i need room for my cable-mismanaged SSD assortment. If you need a reference, I am putting it in a HP Victus 15L. The case's length  is about 11 inches, and the width is about 7 or 6. Would this fit? I really want the length to be about 7 inches, so I will have room for my cables, not to mention breathing space.

All 3060 and 4060 cards except for the FE use 8 pins, but you can check on the manufacturer's website.

 

The average length of a 3060 is around 250mm (10 inches). For 7 inches, you're likely to be limited to ITX cards like Palit's StormX or MSI's Aero ITX.

 

If you scroll down on TPU's spec page, it gives you a length of the cards, but do verify these lengths before you buy, as they're not all correct:

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb.c3682

 

The width is probably not an issue, but I'm assuming the case has support for a full height bracket rather than low profile.

[iNeedy]

1 hour ago, Tetras said:

They're a huge manufacturer of AMD cards, no less reliable than MSI and in that benchmark on HUB where I quoted the 3060 12GB hitting 34 FPS average, the 6750 XT TatamiMatt linked gets 61 FPS. That was near release though, when Starfield favoured AMD cards and there's been optimisation for/by nvidia since then, so the gap is probably not as large, but the 67x0 XT is and always will be a tier up from the 3060.

On that note...

It might be worth the price. I think its a Euro brand. I am east coast US. Also looks no larger than my 1660 Super, Ill go for it

Edit: Wait a minute, it has an 8 Pin +6 pin port- my PSU strictly only has an 8 pin, is there an adapter I can get for an 8-pin only PSU that would split to 8+6? 

[TatamiMatt]

2 minutes ago, iNeedy said:

On that note...

It might be worth the price. I think its a Euro brand. I am east coast US. Also looks no larger than my 1660 Super, Ill go for it

Taiwanese brand, are some of the best gpus for temps iirc

[Salted Spinach]

2 hours ago, iNeedy said:

...My ceiling for wattage is about 200 on the GPU...

Like this? Peak draw 172W at 04:43

PSU 8 pin to double 6+2 pin. If the card has the new 12 pin connector, it will come with a 12 pin to double 6+2 pin adapter

 

Motherboard can deliver 75W over the PCIE slot. Do you think 100W is too much for an 8 pin?

[iNeedy]

5 minutes ago, Salted Spinach said:

 

PSU 8 pin to double 6+2 pin. If the card has the new 12 pin connector, it will come with a 12 pin to double 6+2 pin adapter

 

Motherboard can deliver 75W over the PCIE slot. Do you think 100W is too much for an 8 pin?

Not sure what you're getting at here- On the powercolor GPU I see 8 pin + 6 pin, that doesn't add up to 12 pin?

[iNeedy]

1 hour ago, TatamiMatt said:

I believe its about 50 for 3060, 65ish now 6700 XT now and i assume higher for the 6750XT, possibly 70/75ish but only 1 benchmark i dont put all my faith in, slight increase with optimisations for AMD but further increase to 3060 again

 

(EDIT: All with FSR 2 on btw)

Will this work with my PSU cable, if i were to use the 6750 XT? I have a 8 pin coming from the PSU, and the GPU takes 6 pin and an 8 pin.

https://www.amazon.com/COMeap-Express-Adapter-Braided-Y-Splitter/dp/B072JR4H3N/ref=sr_1_7_sspa?crid=3DSW7I22NM39A&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.T35gKEUIn42okWM91SCPYgnN44NJWJEKkUhY1jeBp0gK6FEMXRsFXieYMgDbV_368gEG8stnNCaIliJWh6IBrFcq2rh6haGQ83qQgtOcLRWdd_gnIj5xJYwsZBmeYwa1_ht3N7mb7qAMS6g2sB2W58GzGFK7p0ECZYhdbgKbrcKlDaM1TxR1fBN4VPxHS3GWdidbCynpRb0nrn-SMj_Hipujde23fmDfp2-wBKEFRfCiEl2zKvqpqh-Q46dmeGPOupj2zzNZwrh6U1WxKZ1USSLMTLZMr-Xg76BR7BP-EGs.rrtXislj-BoZ9lq3-_VZZcLS0wIhVVSV1t66KYsSjUc&dib_tag=se&keywords=8+pin+to+dual+14+(8%2B6)&qid=1711039137&s=electronics&sprefix=8+pin+to+dual+14+8%2B6+%2Celectronics%2C121&sr=1-7-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&psc=1

[Tetras]

3 hours ago, iNeedy said:

Edit: Wait a minute, it has an 8 Pin +6 pin port- my PSU strictly only has an 8 pin, is there an adapter I can get for an 8-pin only PSU that would split to 8+6? 

A lot of PSUs come with 2x 8-pin on one cable, so it is certainly possible, but I'd be reluctant to use one on a PSU that wasn't designed for it, because your cable and connector would have been intended for the load of one 8 pin, not two.

 

If your PSU is borderline, I'd consider the 4060 instead. I wouldn't normally recommend this card, but the power consumption is the best thing about it. Don't know how it does in Starfield.

[iNeedy]

19 minutes ago, Tetras said:

A lot of PSUs come with 2x 8-pin on one cable, so it is certainly possible, but I'd be reluctant to use one on a PSU that wasn't designed for it, because your cable and connector would have been intended for the load of one 8 pin, not two.

 

If your PSU is borderline, I'd consider the 4060 instead. I wouldn't normally recommend this card, but the power consumption is the best thing about it. Don't know how it does in Starfield.

Room for wattage and physical room inside the PC is paramount to other aspects. I found this, which I thought would be better since its only 8 pin, but its a little more expensive than the 6750 XT.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CS8Z9YBB/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

 

Unless somebody says this is a bad choice, I will stick to it and save my money.

[Tetras]

30 minutes ago, iNeedy said:

Unless somebody says this is a bad choice, I will stick to it and save my money.

They're alright cards. The performance and power consumption in games is a bit lower than a 67x0 XT and modestly higher than the 7600 non-XT.

[Salted Spinach]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/review-radeon-7600-xt-offers-peace-of-mind-via-lots-of-ram-remains-a-midrange-gpu/

[TatamiMatt]

12 hours ago, iNeedy said:

Room for wattage and physical room inside the PC is paramount to other aspects. I found this, which I thought would be better since its only 8 pin, but its a little more expensive than the 6750 XT.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CS8Z9YBB/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

 

Unless somebody says this is a bad choice, I will stick to it and save my money.

The reason for the 67x0 XT onwards was it having a minimum 12gb VRAM, 8gb is pushing the minimum going forward a little

 

However the 6700XT cards are 250W so unless you want to undervolt and powerlimit it might not be the best bet, though a 4060 is only 8gb, with a low budget and low power consumption requirement, it could be the sweet spot.

15 hours ago, iNeedy said:

Not sure what you're getting at here- On the powercolor GPU I see 8 pin + 6 pin, that doesn't add up to 12 pin?

Also the 8+6 pin is different from a 12pin, NVidia brought out a whole new 12VHPWR or an update to that one that i can never remember the name of thats solely for their 4000series onwards cards that have 12pin. I think Spinach was talking about this

[iNeedy]

4 hours ago, TatamiMatt said:

 

However the 6700XT cards are 250W so unless you want to undervolt and powerlimit it might not be the best bet, though a 4060 is only 8gb, with a low budget and low power consumption requirement, it could be the sweet spot.

 

Yeah, even before you posted this I had figured out that the 4060 was going to be my best bet, because it was comparable to a 7600 or 6750 and it had a pretty low power requirement, which is great for me. Although, on a picture of a 4060 on Amazon, it appears like it has a 8 pin, but on technical.city it has a 8 pin + 6 pin. Just in case, will the 4060 come with an adapter?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CHC2LQF5/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1