New mITX-build

[schectoo]

Budget (including currency): ~30 000 SEK

Country: Sweden

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

• Witcher 3
• Hogwarts Legacy
• Resident Evil
• Cubase 12
• Guitar Pro 8
• FreeCad

Other details

Looking to build a smaller PC, unlike my current build with a Fractal Design Define R5.

 

My concern is my chosen case. I was thinking about using a Cooler Master NR200P Max with an integrated PSU and AIO CPU-cooler. The PSU is at 850W (V850 SFX Gold 850W), do you think that is enough? I have tried different online PSU calculators and get a lot of different answers. Some say that 850W is enough, some say it isn't.

What do you think?

 

What is your general take on the chosen parts below? Good/bad?

 

My monitor is a Samsung 49" Ultrawide, 5120x1440p. Resolution and image quality is more important than FPS in games.

 

I appreciate all suggestions.

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

CPU-COOLER: -

GPU: Sapphire PULSE RX 7900 XTX 24GB

CASE: Cooler Master NR200P MAX

MOBO: Gigabyte B650I Aorus Ultra

RAM: Kingston Fury Beast Black 32GB (2x16GB)

STORAGE: Kingston KC3000 M.2 2TB (x2)

PSU: -

OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Swedish 64-bit OEM

Total: 30 650 SEK

(Price for reference)

[Agall]

2 minutes ago, schectoo said:

Budget (including currency): ~30 000 SEK

Country: Sweden

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

• Witcher 3
• Hogwarts Legacy
• Resident Evil
• Cubase 12
• Guitar Pro 8
• FreeCad

Other details

Looking to build a smaller PC, unlike my current build with a Fractal Design Define R5.

 

My concern is my chosen case. I was thinking about using a Cooler Master NR200P Max with an integrated PSU and AIO CPU-cooler. The PSU is at 850W (V850 SFX Gold 850W), do you think that is enough? I have tried different online PSU calculators and get a lot of different answers. Some say that 850W is enough, some say it isn't.

What do you think?

 

What is your general take on the chosen parts below? Good/bad?

 

My monitor is a Samsung 49" Ultrawide, 5120x1440p. Resolution and image quality is more important than FPS in games.

 

I appreciate all suggestions.

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

CPU-COOLER: -

GPU: Sapphire PULSE RX 7900 XTX 24GB

CASE: Cooler Master NR200P MAX

MOBO: Gigabyte B650I Aorus Ultra

RAM: Kingston Fury Beast Black 32GB (2x16GB)

STORAGE: Kingston KC3000 M.2 2TB (x2)

PSU: -

OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Swedish 64-bit OEM

Total: 30 650 SEK

(Price for reference)

Suggested for a 7900 XTX is 750W, so a decent 850W should be fine. I just wouldn't go HAM on overclocking it.

 

Solid setup, I personally don't like the Aorus Ultra (I have one), the strange front I/O daughter board is a bit flakey, and it uses mini fan headers with adapters to full 4 pins.

 

If it was available at the time, I would've gone with the Asrock B650i Lightning instead, which doesn't appear to have a chipset fan and strange daughter boards/adapters.

[GuiltySpark_]

58 minutes ago, schectoo said:

do you think that is enough?

Yes. If you can find the Max at a good price, it makes most of building SFF as a first timer quite easy. 

[schectoo]

16 hours ago, Agall said:

Suggested for a 7900 XTX is 750W, so a decent 850W should be fine. I just wouldn't go HAM on overclocking it.

 

Solid setup, I personally don't like the Aorus Ultra (I have one), the strange front I/O daughter board is a bit flakey, and it uses mini fan headers with adapters to full 4 pins.

 

If it was available at the time, I would've gone with the Asrock B650i Lightning instead, which doesn't appear to have a chipset fan and strange daughter boards/adapters.

 

Thanks! I think I will try the included 850W PSU then.

 

Appreciate the input regarding the Aorus Ultra. I will look see if there is any better alternatives when it comes down to ordering the parts.

[Jeppes]

Nr200 is a bit large for mitx. You can get a cheaper matx one that is 5cm taller and without the need for an overpriced itx board.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (kr4390.00 @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (kr449.00 @ Webhallen)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M PG Lightning Wifi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (kr1852.00 @ Proshop)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (kr1459.00 @ Proshop)
Storage: Lexar NM790 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (kr2753.00 @ Computersalg)
Video Card: Palit JetStream GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  (kr14268.00 @ Amazon Sweden)
Case: Inter-Tech IM-1 POCKET MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (kr858.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: Lian Li SP850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  (kr1752.00 @ Proshop)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack  (kr316.00 @ Proshop)
Total: kr28097.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-07 13:19 CET+0100

[Agall]

2 hours ago, Jeppes said:

Nr200 is a bit large for mitx. You can get a cheaper matx one that is 5cm taller and without the need for an overpriced itx board.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (kr4390.00 @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (kr449.00 @ Webhallen)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M PG Lightning Wifi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (kr1852.00 @ Proshop)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (kr1459.00 @ Proshop)
Storage: Lexar NM790 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (kr2753.00 @ Computersalg)
Video Card: Palit JetStream GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  (kr14268.00 @ Amazon Sweden)
Case: Inter-Tech IM-1 POCKET MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (kr858.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: Lian Li SP850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply  (kr1752.00 @ Proshop)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack  (kr316.00 @ Proshop)
Total: kr28097.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-07 13:19 CET+0100

NR200P falls into a suite spot for mITX, as someone who has owned dozens of various mITX cases since 2014 (including an NR200P, SG13x6, Ridge, Ncase M1, Raven, various no name super SFF cases, and a lot I don't remember). Its slightly bigger than the Ncase M1 but that affords it a lot more versatility.

 

Yes, its on the larger side of mITX, but its a sweet spot that isn't compromising like the Ncase M1 did without top mountable fans. The NR200P Max solving one major limitation, being that interaction between the PSU and GPU that's corrected by a vertical mount and AIO.

 

I haven't bought one yet, but I've researched quite deeply into it. There's a cult following behind min-maxing this case:

ASUS AP201 Type-C Airflow-focused Micro-ATX,Mini-ITX Computer Case, Support 360/280 Liquid Cooling - Black - Newegg.com

Its also on the larger side, but falls into another sweet spot for SFF that doesn't compromise. NR200P Max being a direct competitor and great value if you're able to benefit from the 280mm AIO and 850W PSU.

[Jeppes]

2 hours ago, Agall said:

NR200P falls into a suite spot for mITX, as someone who has owned dozens of various mITX cases since 2014 (including an NR200P, SG13x6, Ridge, Ncase M1, Raven, various no name super SFF cases, and a lot I don't remember). Its slightly bigger than the Ncase M1 but that affords it a lot more versatility.

 

Yes, its on the larger side of mITX, but its a sweet spot that isn't compromising like the Ncase M1 did without top mountable fans. The NR200P Max solving one major limitation, being that interaction between the PSU and GPU that's corrected by a vertical mount and AIO.

 

I haven't bought one yet, but I've researched quite deeply into it. There's a cult following behind min-maxing this case:

ASUS AP201 Type-C Airflow-focused Micro-ATX,Mini-ITX Computer Case, Support 360/280 Liquid Cooling - Black - Newegg.com

Its also on the larger side, but falls into another sweet spot for SFF that doesn't compromise. NR200P Max being a direct competitor and great value if you're able to benefit from the 280mm AIO and 850W PSU.

Its not a sweet spot as its pretty much on matx territory. You pay the premium and get nothing. There are great small cases out there like Fractal Ridge that works great with nvidia fe gpu:s thanks to its flow through gpu compartment. 7800x3d is also a perfect choice for small gaming pc:s as its pretty much a 50-70W cpu in games.

[Agall]

1 hour ago, Jeppes said:

Its not a sweet spot as its pretty much on matx territory. You pay the premium and get nothing. There are great small cases out there like Fractal Ridge that works great with nvidia fe gpu:s thanks to its flow through gpu compartment. 7800x3d is also a perfect choice for small gaming pc:s as its pretty much a 50-70W cpu in games.

7800x3D is about a 40-45W part under gaming load in my testing, maybe higher for very CPU intensive games like some recent AAA. NR200P Max's 280mm is well designed to force a negative pressure air channel through the case, so its sufficient knowing the GPUs wattage is also going through it on a 7800x3D since 3D v-cache will cause the CPU to run hotter. A lot of the time, throwing more thermal mass and minimizing the coolant's temperature will greatly aid in reducing that, which can be accomplished by a large radiator like a 280mm (I've tested a 280mm AIO on my 7950x3D in various configurations, including an 8+0 '7800x3D' one). You're still forced to use negative pressure on SFF, especially in high wattage systems, and the NR200P does a great job in doing so.

 

The Ridge does have limitations though, specifically with CPU and PSU airflow (I recently built a FD Ridge built that I tested both the R5 7600 and i5 13500, Corsair SF750, and RX 6750 XT in) and it has its limitations. Its making compromises to reach that form factor. Its far better than the 1st generation designs like the Silverstone Raven but is just the min-maxed version of that design (that has its own inherent limitations mentioned above).

 

I point out the NR200P as a sweet spot because its not forcing any major compromises other than having to use an SFX/SFX-L PSU, which is less of a problem in 2023 than it was in 2014 when I bought my first SFX PSU. NR200P coming with a good 850W PSU baseline only eliminates overclocked systems using a 14900k and 4090, so only the most extreme scenario would someone have to upgrade the included PSU.