mobo for 13600k

[Amir F. Rad]

i was thinking to change the motherboard i bought this mobo for 12400 core i5 andused it with that cpu until i got a deal and gave 12400 and got 13600k for cheap i am now thinking maybe get a z790 motherboard with high ram and an entery level cpu and put 13600k on new mobo and an entery level cpu on msi b660 mobo with ram and make anotrher pc for home anf getrid of my other older pc does it worth upgrading the motherboard or i should just upgrade ram what should i do thanks for your advices in advance

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Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: catia solid works altium design corel draw xflr5 afsys fluent and many other cad and simulation softwares with some games time to time 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

mobo msi pro b660m-e ddr4

cpu intel 13600k 

cpu cooler noctua d14

ram ddr4 ripjaws 16gb ripjaws 3600 cl18

gpu palit gamepro 3090 24gb 

ssd samsung 970 evo plus 500gb 

psu green 750w platinum fully modular

5 fans cooler master with controler and rgb controler 

 

[Haswellx86]

Really depends on if you can and want to afford the upgrade. An expensive motherboard not only has better and more features such as better sound, higher speed ethernet, Wi-Fi, more M.2 slots if you need them, more PCIe expansion (only if you need them), Dual BIOS; but also more and powerful VRMs, better BIOS options for performance, and higher RAM speed. Oh yeah, the ram speed one is actual very important for you. Please dear good no if you are pairing a 13600k, a high end board, and a 3090 with DDR4 ram. So if you are getting a 13600k, then you definitely need some DDR5 for optimal performance, and so in turn you need to have a board that supports DDR5. Your b660m doesn't support DDR5, so time for an upgrade! ugh, uhk, an expensive upgrade...

[Amir F. Rad]

14 minutes ago, Hensen Juang said:

Really depends on if you can and want to afford the upgrade. An expensive motherboard not only has better and more features such as better sound, higher speed ethernet, Wi-Fi, more M.2 slots if you need them, more PCIe expansion (only if you need them), Dual BIOS; but also more and powerful VRMs, better BIOS options for performance, and higher RAM speed. Oh yeah, the ram speed one is actual very important for you. Please dear good no if you are pairing a 13600k, a high end board, and a 3090 with DDR4 ram. So if you are getting a 13600k, then you definitely need some DDR5 for optimal performance, and so in turn you need to have a board that supports DDR5. Your b660m doesn't support DDR5, so time for an upgrade! ugh, uhk, an expensive upgrade...

but i really didnt see any diffrence between 2133 to 3600 in performance at all this mobo meets all my needs and it is hard for me to justify to spend 500 $ on mobo and ram but someone told me this cpu is too much powerful for this motherboard and can destroy motherboard and cpu itself is this correct? this is my main reason to go down this road to make another pc 

[Haswellx86]

Nope, put a 13900k in a b660 or a 7950X in a a320 board and it should still run fine. But yes, it is too much load for the motherboard's power management and perhaps cooling management as well. 13600k has really high TDP, which will put some strain on the low quality VRMs, but it still fine though. Your CPU might turbo a bit less, perhaps not. VRM temps will be high though, but it again is one of things where it is good to have the correct thing, but it will run just fine without it. VRMs can run at high loads and high temperatures, but you don't want it to... unless you want it too. 

 

Idk about that 2133 to 3600 comparison. All I know that in synthetic benchmarks, and in games, performance increase is noticeable from DDR4 to DDR5. But perhaps the difference is only noticeable at very high fps, and not in 60s where it is most GPU bound.

 

But who is asking you to buy a $500 motherboard? Z790 boards start under $200 I believe, and you can get them even cheaper from other places. You can also use Z690 boards with 13th gen just fine, which might be more cost effective. Also remember that motherboards, their used version aren't quite bad at all. So, price can me reduced even further.

 

And then I guess you don't care about the additional features such as better sound, faster ethernet, more M.2 and PCIe expansion, right? Well then aside the memory, which if you can't see much difference, then just live with your b660. It should run fine .

[Haswellx86]

Can you get a VRM heatsink? Do they exist independently? But I forgot to ask, do you have heatskin on VRMs on that b660?

[Amir F. Rad]

6 hours ago, Hensen Juang said:

Can you get a VRM heatsink? Do they exist independently? But I forgot to ask, do you have heatskin on VRMs on that b660?

no my motherboard doesnt have vrm heatsinks and i managed to attach some heatsinks to the motherboard and ssd it may helps a little i am gonna try to concentrate some fans to the heatsinks to see if the benchmarks change at all or not to see if vrms are on their limit or still has some headroom left for them by the way i cant thanking you enough for your help 

[Haswellx86]

Yes, heatsinks and fans will improve the VRM power management. But still, who is asking to buy a $500 mobo? Z790 starts way cheaper as I mentioned. Why not get those? Z690? Used? But if you really can't afford the "good to have but not critically needed", you can stick to the b660.

[TeraSeraph]

18 hours ago, Hensen Juang said:

You can also use Z690 boards with 13th gen just fine,

Not unless they've had the BIOS reflashed since they were put on the shelf. I had to return a Gigabyte Z690 board because it wouldn't run with my 13600K and refused to update the BIOS. 

[Haswellx86]

But then why not buy a $200 Z790 board?? Also, Z690s should run 13th gen after a BIOS update. You have to make sure that the manufacturer has already updated the BIOS. If not, and you don't have a spare 12th Celeron, many high end boards can update their BIOS without even needing CPU or Ram installed.

[Amir F. Rad]

22 hours ago, Hensen Juang said:

But then why not buy a $200 Z790 board?? Also, Z690s should run 13th gen after a BIOS update. You have to make sure that the manufacturer has already updated the BIOS. If not, and you don't have a spare 12th Celeron, many high end boards can update their BIOS without even needing CPU or Ram installed.

understood maybe i go buy a z790 motherboard and a core i3 13100 and some ram so i have two computers at the end this seems the best option for me now 

[Haswellx86]

@Amir F. Rad why need to buy a 13100?

[filpo]

On 7/24/2023 at 11:57 AM, Hensen Juang said:

Why not get those? Z690? Used? But if you really can't afford the "good to have but not critically needed"

better not to get a motherboard used since mobos have a shorter lifespan than cpus, gpus and other components. They're also more fragile

On 7/23/2023 at 7:57 PM, Hensen Juang said:

7950X in a a320

not true. a 7950x in a b650 board will be fine but not an a620

 

45 minutes ago, Amir F. Rad said:

maybe i go buy a z790 motherboard and a core i3 13100

do NOT do this. If you're going for a budget build then you should get the 5500 and a b550/b450 

Also why would you downgrade yourself to a 13100?

I say just get this b760 and a 13600k Asus TUF GAMING B760-PLUS WIFI D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (TUF GAMING B760-PLUS WIFI D4) - PCPartPicker

[Amir F. Rad]

On 7/25/2023 at 7:06 PM, filpo said:

better not to get a motherboard used since mobos have a shorter lifespan than cpus, gpus and other components. They're also more fragile

not true. a 7950x in a b650 board will be fine but not an a620

 

do NOT do this. If you're going for a budget build then you should get the 5500 and a b550/b450 

Also why would you downgrade yourself to a 13100?

I say just get this b760 and a 13600k Asus TUF GAMING B760-PLUS WIFI D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (TUF GAMING B760-PLUS WIFI D4) - PCPartPicker

sorry it took so long to answer i am not downgrading my self i am gonna have two pcs then 13100 withb660 mobo i have and 13600k with z790 mobo i am gonna get, i live in iran and ratio between our currency and dollar changes rapidly i am waitingfor it to get stable so i can buy mobo and cpu andram

[Amir F. Rad]

On 7/25/2023 at 7:03 PM, Hensen Juang said:

@Amir F. Rad why need to buy a 13100?

to have two pc instead of one , one pc with 13100 and n660 motherboard, other one with z790 mobo and 13600k