Whole PC underperforming

[robotxbot]

I have a GTX 1660 SUPER and a Ryzen 5 2600 with 16gbs of ram at 3200mhz. The system is always underperforming, I play siege at 1080p Mediumish settings and maybe a few months ago, on average I was getting around 120-150 fps on my settings and now its dropping as low as 70-90 fps. It becomes a big change after playing on a much higher framerate and I play noticibly worse and its really bothering me. During these times, I have msi afterburner running, and I see what the computer is doing. Most of the times the GPU is at around 50-60 percent usage and the CPU is at 5-10 percent usage, which is quite low, and then I do a CPU cinnebench r23 run, and scored about 200 less then expected, and in GTA V, the system performs the exact same, 50-60 GPU usage and 5-10 percent CPU usage. I do not have any background apps which may affect the performance and I did not place any FPS limiters, and the fps is around 70-80. Temperture shouldn't be a problem because the GPU is always around 60c and the CPU is around 70c. (I am running windows 11 latest version and is updated to the latest nvidia drivers as well) 

[Hairless Monkey]

Check your power plan to make sure you aren't in a Power Saver mode:

 

Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Power Options

 

Check the temperatures of your GPU and CPU while gaming and performing other tasks. Also monitor the clock speeds of the CPU and GPU to make sure they align with expectations.

 

Try using DDU to wipe out and reinstall your display drivers, just be sure to follow all the recommended procedures.

[robotxbot]

5 minutes ago, Hairless Monkey Boy said:

Check your power plan to make sure you aren't in a Power Saver mode:

 

Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Power Options

 

Check the temperatures of your GPU and CPU while gaming and performing other tasks. Also monitor the clock speeds of the CPU and GPU to make sure they align with expectations.

 

Try using DDU to wipe out and reinstall your display drivers, just be sure to follow all the recommended procedures.

The performance is on Ultimate performance, and the clocks of the GPU a few months ago would almost be around 2000 mhz and now 1700, and sometimes 1900, and the CPU used to be at around 3.75 ghz while gaming and is now at 3.6 at gaming.

[Hairless Monkey]

4 minutes ago, robotxbot said:

a few months ago

A few months ago was spring/winter. With summer comes heat, and with heat comes lower clocks. You haven't mentioned your temperatures yet.

[robotxbot]

24 minutes ago, Hairless Monkey Boy said:

A few months ago was spring/winter. With summer comes heat, and with heat comes lower clocks. You haven't mentioned your temperatures yet.

The GPU temps are in the low 60s and the CPU temps during gaming are around the low 70s

[SamClan]

1. go check cpu-z 

Channel # Dual

DRAM Frequency 1600

 

47 minutes ago, robotxbot said:

GPU is always around 60c and the CPU is around 70c.

what cooler are you using for your CPU? 

[robotxbot]

11 minutes ago, SamClan said:

1. go check cpu-z 

Channel # Dual

DRAM Frequency 1600

 

what cooler are you using for your CPU? 

Stock AMD cooler

[SamClan]

your cpu-z looks ok 

 

 

19 minutes ago, robotxbot said:

The GPU temps are in the low 60s and the CPU temps during gaming are around the low 70s

that also sounds normal to me. 

 

 

 

have you changed something in your bios setting that limits your cpu boost?

 

 

btw don't belive windows on cpu and gpu usage. 

 

[robotxbot]

4 minutes ago, SamClan said:

your cpu-z looks ok 

 

 

that also sounds normal to me. 

 

 

 

have you changed something in your bios setting that limits your cpu boost?

 

 

btw don't belive windows on cpu and gpu usage. 

 

I have not, everything is on factory normal settings, with xmp and safeboot on

[SamClan]

so technically your system should be able to get way better FPS. 

1 hour ago, robotxbot said:

am running windows 11

wanna try w10? 

[robotxbot]

4 hours ago, SamClan said:

so technically your system should be able to get way better FPS. 

wanna try w10? 

like reinstall windows?

[robotxbot]

9 hours ago, SamClan said:

your cpu-z looks ok 

 

 

that also sounds normal to me. 

 

 

 

have you changed something in your bios setting that limits your cpu boost?

 

 

btw don't belive windows on cpu and gpu usage. 

 

Btw also I use Msi afterburner and nvidia overlay to look at temps and usage

[WhiteSnake91]

it could be the apparently widespread Ryzen fTPM issue. AMD acknowledged it a few months ago, venders finally released a fix in May. Unfortunately for myself and others it didn't fix our problem, and we actually noticed lower performance overall after the update. Horrible random stuttering, lagging and fps drops in games. My once mighty 3700x and 3070 pc is now being outperformed by the cheap xbox series S. I saw someone stream Fortnite for hours from the Series S at a constant 120fps, meanwhile mine stutters and lags. I feel your pain. I think my cpu is also dying. I've literally swapped out every other component, temps ok, drives checked out ok, old gpu doing the same, multiple new win10 installs. I threw in the towel on the build and ordered a new i5 12500 setup I'm going to put together shortly as everything arrived earlier. Should last me several years, the rest of this console gen at least. For what I play and do even a 5600x and b550 would have been fine, however, I didn't want to risk potentially being hit with another unsolvable fTPM issue. My pc didn't used to do this crap either, I noticed the worse performance and stuttering and lags months ago out of the blue. I went 12th gen intel without the E cores on purpose to avoid being required to use win11 with its problems, and, went intel since it's not affected by this ftpm crap.

 

I hope this solves my woes, I'm going to reuse my 3070 since it's confirmed working fine. No reason it shouldn't fix stuff for me, it'll literally be a whole new pc. I swear I was happier with my old pc with a ryzen 1700, 16gb ram, and rx 480 going into games just knowing and accepting I'd get about 60fps on high 1080p or ultra in older games, for SO many years I'd also run games exclusively off 7200rpm hdd's too, and stuff was very smooth for what it was worth.

 

I know your pain and truly wish you well fixing this. Have you checked drive health in hdd sentinel? I've never had a problem like this in 13 years of pc gaming and building I wasn't able to solve...I deduced it down to HAVING to be the cpu, there's no other explanation. I was so frustrated and depressed over this I was going to say screw it and buy some confirmed working older i7 office pc off ebay and just upgrade the psu and throw a decent gpu in it and be on my way....you can't put a price on peace of mine, nerve-wracking beyond belief dealing with this problem for months and nothing fixed it.

 

It's beyond absurd there's really no recourse for those of us that the ftpm fix didn't help, when it's mentioned around online, we pretty much get crickets and tumbleweeds and are left to fend for ourselves. I just got tired of the crap and built a whole new pc, it sucks spending a ton on a 1440p high end pc to have it stutter and lag even in old games. Friends with old 8700k's are playing stuff smooth while I'm having problems.

[SamClan]

8 hours ago, robotxbot said:

like reinstall windows?

Like going back a version of Windows from Windows 11 to windows 10 

[SamClan]

4 hours ago, WhiteSnake91 said:

ftpm fix didn't help

why don't you just disable the ftpm module in your bios/Uefi? and use dftpm ( I believe it is the name for it) or just fully disable it

[robotxbot]

12 hours ago, WhiteSnake91 said:

it could be the apparently widespread Ryzen fTPM issue. AMD acknowledged it a few months ago, venders finally released a fix in May. Unfortunately for myself and others it didn't fix our problem, and we actually noticed lower performance overall after the update. Horrible random stuttering, lagging and fps drops in games. My once mighty 3700x and 3070 pc is now being outperformed by the cheap xbox series S. I saw someone stream Fortnite for hours from the Series S at a constant 120fps, meanwhile mine stutters and lags. I feel your pain. I think my cpu is also dying. I've literally swapped out every other component, temps ok, drives checked out ok, old gpu doing the same, multiple new win10 installs. I threw in the towel on the build and ordered a new i5 12500 setup I'm going to put together shortly as everything arrived earlier. Should last me several years, the rest of this console gen at least. For what I play and do even a 5600x and b550 would have been fine, however, I didn't want to risk potentially being hit with another unsolvable fTPM issue. My pc didn't used to do this crap either, I noticed the worse performance and stuttering and lags months ago out of the blue. I went 12th gen intel without the E cores on purpose to avoid being required to use win11 with its problems, and, went intel since it's not affected by this ftpm crap.

 

I hope this solves my woes, I'm going to reuse my 3070 since it's confirmed working fine. No reason it shouldn't fix stuff for me, it'll literally be a whole new pc. I swear I was happier with my old pc with a ryzen 1700, 16gb ram, and rx 480 going into games just knowing and accepting I'd get about 60fps on high 1080p or ultra in older games, for SO many years I'd also run games exclusively off 7200rpm hdd's too, and stuff was very smooth for what it was worth.

 

I know your pain and truly wish you well fixing this. Have you checked drive health in hdd sentinel? I've never had a problem like this in 13 years of pc gaming and building I wasn't able to solve...I deduced it down to HAVING to be the cpu, there's no other explanation. I was so frustrated and depressed over this I was going to say screw it and buy some confirmed working older i7 office pc off ebay and just upgrade the psu and throw a decent gpu in it and be on my way....you can't put a price on peace of mine, nerve-wracking beyond belief dealing with this problem for months and nothing fixed it.

 

It's beyond absurd there's really no recourse for those of us that the ftpm fix didn't help, when it's mentioned around online, we pretty much get crickets and tumbleweeds and are left to fend for ourselves. I just got tired of the crap and built a whole new pc, it sucks spending a ton on a 1440p high end pc to have it stutter and lag even in old games. Friends with old 8700k's are playing stuff smooth while I'm having problems.

Okay, now I've then tried to disable FTM, it actually helped the performance a little bit, not much but you would be able to notice the difference, 1st being the GPU clocks were much higher, yesterday being 1900, even when overclocked in MSI afterburner, and now it actually reached those clocks, then the CPU usage went slightly up, from 5-10 to 10-15, not much but, it was a good 10-15fps lift, GPU usage used to be 50-60 and is now 60-70, not a huge uplift but it did help.

[robotxbot]

7 hours ago, SamClan said:

why don't you just disable the ftpm module in your bios/Uefi? and use dftpm ( I believe it is the name for it) or just fully disable it

Okay, now I've then tried to disable FTM, it actually helped the performance a little bit, not much but you would be able to notice the difference, 1st being the GPU clocks were much higher, yesterday being 1900, even when overclocked in MSI afterburner, and now it actually reached those clocks, then the CPU usage went slightly up, from 5-10 to 10-15, not much but, it was a good 10-15fps lift, GPU usage used to be 50-60 and is now 60-70, not a huge uplift but it did help. The clocks of the CPU have also gone up 100mhz too

[WhiteSnake91]

13 hours ago, SamClan said:

why don't you just disable the ftpm module in your bios/Uefi? and use dftpm ( I believe it is the name for it) or just fully disable it

I did, turning on dedicated tpm, as well as trying outright disabling it.... this is what lead me to also thinking it was a faulty dying cpu, or some weird hidden underlying ftpm gremlin since, disabling the ftpm stuff didn't help. Some others online said it didn't help them either. We were met with essentially crickets when we said we were still having the stuttering and lagging after the bios fix released in May, months after AMD acknowledged it. Even tried multiple mobo. Swapped every part out too besides the cpu, since....who really figures a cpu would be dying out of the blue when it was never OC'd or never had high temp either. Odd the issues popped up around the time ftpm was becoming mainstream news though. I did notice lower overall performance (others did too) after the May ftpm vender bios fix.

 

unless I just got hit by the horrible rng gods and got 3 bad mobos in a row o.O , after months/weeks of this though, I was just feeling done. Constant pc issues and troubleshooting not working really starts to take its toll and affect morale. I was genuinely wishing I had even a cheap Xbox Series S instead of a pc since it was outperforming my ailing pc. I was also willing to buy a cheap old i7 office pc on ebay that couldn't be affected by the ftpm crap, and upgrade the psu or throw a low wattage gpu in it. I would literally be happy as a clam with even a 6-7th gen i7(or cheap i3 10100 since it beat the 7700 a little in a comparison I saw), 16gb ram, an OS ssd, game big 7200rpm hdd, and a 1050ti as long as stuff worked smoothly. I legit don't care about graphics or performance as long as games don't stutter and lag due to hardware problems. Despite the push to "all ssd or nothing" storage by certain enthusiasts, I don't mind a little longer loading time and never had games be choppy on a 7200rpm hdd.

 

honestly the most mind boggling thing I've ever dealt with in 13 years of pc gaming and building.

 

What could make a cpu all of a sudden start dying when it was never OC'd or never even had high temps? If AMD won't give me too much hassle, I can try doing an RMA.

[SamClan]

1 hour ago, WhiteSnake91 said:

I did, turning on dedicated tpm

damn, 

 

 

you know the thing with finding the culprit is it could be anything. Like why not a bad power source? I mean the Ryzen cpus are right now manufactured in 7 nm vs 14 at intel or is it 10 nm right now? 

 

1 hour ago, WhiteSnake91 said:

What could make a cpu all of a sudden start dying when it was never OC'd or never even had high temps?

to be honest, I doubt the cpu was faulty. Just think about how often you had to update your bios for your cpu lately? I mean I never ever did that before, not for my pentium 4, E5200, Q6600, 6600k. well for my 6600k I had to because of that vulnerability. 

 

soo more like a micro code problem, bad power source, ghost in the machine. OR my favorite setting your ram voltage manual because who knows why the "normal" setting doesn't bring stability 

 

 

ohhh yeah remember now my 6600k and BF4 had tons of problem with micro stutters. can't remember what I did to stop it.  

 

1 hour ago, WhiteSnake91 said:

Constant pc issues and troubleshooting not working really starts to take its toll and affect morale.

I believe it took me 3 days to get my system as it is running stable with xmp enabled. couldn't figure it out. and at the end is was 1 bois setting I had to change. boooooom stable. 

 

 

 

I really really feel you! but if you still have your system you might wanna plug it into another room with an other fuse. 

[robotxbot]

20 hours ago, WhiteSnake91 said:

I did, turning on dedicated tpm, as well as trying outright disabling it.... this is what lead me to also thinking it was a faulty dying cpu, or some weird hidden underlying ftpm gremlin since, disabling the ftpm stuff didn't help. Some others online said it didn't help them either. We were met with essentially crickets when we said we were still having the stuttering and lagging after the bios fix released in May, months after AMD acknowledged it. Even tried multiple mobo. Swapped every part out too besides the cpu, since....who really figures a cpu would be dying out of the blue when it was never OC'd or never had high temp either. Odd the issues popped up around the time ftpm was becoming mainstream news though. I did notice lower overall performance (others did too) after the May ftpm vender bios fix.

 

unless I just got hit by the horrible rng gods and got 3 bad mobos in a row o.O , after months/weeks of this though, I was just feeling done. Constant pc issues and troubleshooting not working really starts to take its toll and affect morale. I was genuinely wishing I had even a cheap Xbox Series S instead of a pc since it was outperforming my ailing pc. I was also willing to buy a cheap old i7 office pc on ebay that couldn't be affected by the ftpm crap, and upgrade the psu or throw a low wattage gpu in it. I would literally be happy as a clam with even a 6-7th gen i7(or cheap i3 10100 since it beat the 7700 a little in a comparison I saw), 16gb ram, an OS ssd, game big 7200rpm hdd, and a 1050ti as long as stuff worked smoothly. I legit don't care about graphics or performance as long as games don't stutter and lag due to hardware problems. Despite the push to "all ssd or nothing" storage by certain enthusiasts, I don't mind a little longer loading time and never had games be choppy on a 7200rpm hdd.

 

honestly the most mind boggling thing I've ever dealt with in 13 years of pc gaming and building.

 

What could make a cpu all of a sudden start dying when it was never OC'd or never even had high temps? If AMD won't give me too much hassle, I can try doing an RMA.

Ok, this is really weird, I upgraded my CPU to 5600x, on my b450 MOB, and the fps is double about 200 fps, the GPU usage is always around 90, but the CPU usage is still in in between 5-10 percent. The problem was that the 2600 was bottlenecked against a 2600? It's weird, becuase a 1660 super shouldnt be bottlenecked by a CPU like the 2600, but it fixed my problems and I'm happy.

[SamClan]

On 7/13/2022 at 8:36 PM, robotxbot said:

Ok, this is really weird, I upgraded my CPU to 5600x, on my b450 MOB, and the fps is double about 200 fps, the GPU usage is always around 90, but the CPU usage is still in in between 5-10 percent. The problem was that the 2600 was bottlenecked against a 2600? It's weird, becuase a 1660 super shouldnt be bottlenecked by a CPU like the 2600, but it fixed my problems and I'm happy.

well it shouldn't bottleneck it. don't ask me why it act so weird I don'T know. but as long as you are happy I am happy