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I rethinked my life again and finally decided to take apart one of my PCs to get PSU and test this GPU on another, "non-UEFI", platform.

So, another test on Asus P5B Deluxe and EVGA power supply (500W, 40A on +12V rail) - working fine with GTX 750. With HD5970 getting no-GPU error on POST. D3 on graphics card is blinking (I confused D2 with D3 in my first post - D3 is blinking, D1 and D2 are off). 

 

I have decent hot air gun so I can try rework BGA ICs. But these ICs are really big and I may mess it up so maybe somebody have another idea?

 

 

Edit: 

Holy sh... It actually worked. I've just heated up both GPUs using my hot air up to 380*C and card is alive! I didn't actually tested it but motherboard passes POST now and I'm getting image on the display. Don't want to run benchmarks because it may kill it again and forever but now I know it needs BGA reballing. I don't have proper tools and experience to do that with IC's that size so maybe some day I'll take it to professional workshop so they can do it properly. Or I'll try to do it in future. 

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Hijah. I recently bought one of these dual-GPU cards, just for fun, and sadly it doesn't work. Maybe it's broken or maybe I don't know something about dual-GPU cards (never had one) and there's easy solution for my problem.

 

Story:

Some time ago I've bought used (but working) Radeon 5970 and it didn't worked on my PC so I contacted seller and asked if I can return it. He said yes - if GPU is broken he will refund. But he checked it on his platform and claims it working fine so he sent me GPU back. And on my PCs it still doesn't work. And that's all the story.

 

Now, to the problem:

The GPU is Gigabyte HD5970 2GB [ATI-102-C00001(B)].

I tested this GPU on two desktop PCs, both don't even pass POST when I insert GPU to the PCIe slot. I am getting "GPU error" on the motherboard. There's nothing on the display.

On top of the graphics card there are three diagnostics LEDs, there's no any description of what they actually means, they're just labeled D1, D2, D3. D2 is constantly blinking when I turn on PC. I couldn't find any documentation what it means. I assume it's some kind of error (lol).

I tested it on my two platforms which are working fine with other GPUs (I am using these PCs every day):

[1] MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi (MS-7C37); R9 3900X; 2x IRP3600D4V64L17/16G; SilentiumPC Supremo FM2 650W 80+ Gold

[2] ASRock P67 Extreme6; i5-2500K; 2x KHX1866C10D3/8G; EVGA 500W 80+

These 2 desktops are working fine with GTX 750 and 1660 Ti.

 

Seller claims that GPU is working on: Gigabyte 990FXA-D3; AMD Phenom II X4; AC-Bel Gold 630W

 

Halp.

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Welcome to the forums!

UEFI bios can interfere with older GPUs but this one should be compatible. Definitely seems like a problem with the card itself, seller probably tested it a few years ago and it was working then but isn't now.

If you could get a refund I would recommend doing so. 

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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9 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

Welcome to the forums!

UEFI bios can interfere with older GPUs but this one should be compatible. Definitely seems like a problem with the card itself, seller probably tested it a few years ago and it was working then but isn't now.

If you could get a refund I would recommend doing so. 

I can't return it. Basically, when I've got the card back I tested it again and throw it to my "I will check it later" box and a few months already passed. 🙂

Could it be power supply issue? I mean, maybe 650W is not enough for this GPU? I should mention that I am not overclocking CPU so there should be some room to "spare".

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1 minute ago, tls01 said:

I can't return it. Basically, when I've got the card back I tested it again and throw it to my "I will check it later" box and a few months already passed. 🙂

Could it be power supply issue? I mean, maybe 650W is not enough for this GPU? I should mention that I am not overclocking CPU so there should be some room to "spare".

650w seems like enough... 

Tried sticking it in the oven? Not much you could do. Had the same issue with a HD 4870 x2, similar but older card, recently. The thermals on those AMD dual cards were dogwater lol

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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I rethinked my life again and finally decided to take apart one of my PCs to get PSU and test this GPU on another, "non-UEFI", platform.

So, another test on Asus P5B Deluxe and EVGA power supply (500W, 40A on +12V rail) - working fine with GTX 750. With HD5970 getting no-GPU error on POST. D3 on graphics card is blinking (I confused D2 with D3 in my first post - D3 is blinking, D1 and D2 are off). 

 

I have decent hot air gun so I can try rework BGA ICs. But these ICs are really big and I may mess it up so maybe somebody have another idea?

 

 

Edit: 

Holy sh... It actually worked. I've just heated up both GPUs using my hot air up to 380*C and card is alive! I didn't actually tested it but motherboard passes POST now and I'm getting image on the display. Don't want to run benchmarks because it may kill it again and forever but now I know it needs BGA reballing. I don't have proper tools and experience to do that with IC's that size so maybe some day I'll take it to professional workshop so they can do it properly. Or I'll try to do it in future. 

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