No post seeking advice/help

[Nes901]

Seeking advice and any help. It is much appreciated. 

 

How the no post started. 2020 built pc been using it for couple months now since July around that time. No problems until 2 days ago. Went to launch COD Black Ops Cold War and randomly I lose signal to my monitor but my PC keeps running normally. I go to power off my pc with the power button and it doesn’t shut off. Only way to turn it off is the PSU power off button. When I go to power back on the PC I get stuck on No post with ez debug cpu light solid white. This is weird because I been using the pc for months now. My fans and gpu fans and rgb ram led turns on I just get no post. Note that power button only turns on pc now. If I want to shut off my pc I have to use the psu power on/off switch. 

 

Tried everything I could find on the internet for 2 days. Any ideas?

Tried clearing cmos by removing cmos battery and shorting jbat pins

reseating cpu twice

checking cpu pins

reseating gpu 

reseating ram

breadboarding my build

making sure standoffs weren’t shorting it

using only 1 Ram in each slot

taking everything out of the case and rebuilding it reseating psu 8 pin and 24 pin connectors

 

is my mobo or cpu dead? I don’t have another pc to try out parts in

 

Specs

ryzen 5 2600

gtx 1650 super

team force rgb ram 3200

evga 500w psu

Msi b450 A Pro

[Skiiwee29]

do you have another GPU you can test with or another system you can test your GPU in?

[Moonzy]

Sounds like dead CPU or motherboard, as you've mentioned

 

Can't really say unless you have extra parts to diagnose with

[Nes901]

4 hours ago, Moonzy said:

Sounds like dead CPU or motherboard, as you've mentioned

 

Can't really say unless you have extra parts to diagnose with

Hm. No bent pins on cpu checked twice. And I know modern cpus don’t break this easily right? Would a dead mobo still power case fans, cpu fan and rgb ram? 

 

4 hours ago, Skiiwee29 said:

do you have another GPU you can test with or another system you can test your GPU in?

Not likely but I could try to test it. Can I ask why you think it’s the gpu? Just trying to learn here. 

[Moonzy]

Just now, Nes901 said:

And I know modern cpus don’t break this easily right?

that is correct but it still might happen

 

Just now, Nes901 said:

Would a dead mobo still power case fans, cpu fan and rgb ram?

would depend which aspect of it is broken

[Moonzy]

it could also be PSU

i've had this issue where my PSU would trip its protection when it's over loaded, press and holding power button would do nothing, i have to flip my psu switch

[WhitetailAni]

Do you have an optical drive connected?
I know, stupid question for 2020, but a bad optical drive prevented 3 systems from POSTing.

[Skiiwee29]

4 hours ago, Nes901 said:

Hm. No bent pins on cpu checked twice. And I know modern cpus don’t break this easily right? Would a dead mobo still power case fans, cpu fan and rgb ram? 

 

Not likely but I could try to test it. Can I ask why you think it’s the gpu? Just trying to learn here. 

Process of elimination. 

[Nes901]

6 hours ago, ragnarok0273 said:

Do you have an optical drive connected?
I know, stupid question for 2020, but a bad optical drive prevented 3 systems from POSTing.

No optical drive and tried to post without hd and/or ssd as well. No luck. 

 

6 hours ago, Moonzy said:

it could also be PSU

i've had this issue where my PSU would trip its protection when it's over loaded, press and holding power button would do nothing, i have to flip my psu switch

Is there anything else I can try other than what I already did? I can’t really test parts other than to buy a new one but that would Be the final step

[Moonzy]

5 minutes ago, Nes901 said:

Is there anything else I can try other than what I already did? I can’t really test parts other than to buy a new one but that would Be the final step

You pretty much tested all the things that can easily be tested with no spare parts afaik

 

Perhaps you can bring it in to someone u know who may be able to assist you, or a computer repair shop?

[Nes901]

8 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

You pretty much tested all the things that can easily be tested with no spare parts afaik

 

Perhaps you can bring it in to someone u know who may be able to assist you, or a computer repair shop?

I see so I’m pretty much on the last step where I need to test each part separately to see what works. It’s  just weird to me I was using it for months every day and out of no where I just lose signal mid session  and can’t post afterwards? It’s really that possible that a component just died randomly?

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Nes901 said:

I see so I’m pretty much on the last step where I need to test each part separately to see what works. It’s  just weird to me I was using it for months every day and out of no where I just lose signal mid session  and can’t post afterwards? It’s really that possible that a component just died randomly?

Yea, it could have symptoms just that you're not aware of, like abnormally high temps or something

Or you just got unlucky, and the thing was on the edge of passing QC

[Nes901]

2 hours ago, Moonzy said:

Yea, it could have symptoms just that you're not aware of, like abnormally high temps or something

Or you just got unlucky, and the thing was on the edge of passing QC

I tried to reseat my cpu 8 pin and mobo 24 pin connector again today and I got into my bios. With cpu, gpu, 1 stick of ram, no ssd or hd. So I tried to power down with the case power button and it worked. So I go to test my ssd now and now I’m back stuck on no post. But something definitely changed that I did. Would this lean more towards a psu not giving enough power problem? Or it’s dying? 

 

Asking this because wouldnt that mean my cpu mobo gpu and Ram is working?

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, Nes901 said:

I tried to reseat my cpu 8 pin and mobo 24 pin connector again today and I got into my bios. With cpu, gpu, 1 stick of ram, no ssd or hd. So I tried to power down with the case power button and it worked. So I go to test my ssd now and now I’m back stuck on no post. But something definitely changed that I did. Would this lean more towards a psu not giving enough power problem? Or it’s dying? 

if plugging in your SSD is the issue, it could be that, or motherboard (try connecting only sata power but not data, see if it works to rule out motherboard SATA issue) and PSU, since these are related to SSD directly

[Nes901]

7 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

if plugging in your SSD is the issue, it could be that, or motherboard (try connecting only sata power but not data, see if it works to rule out motherboard SATA issue) and PSU, since these are related to SSD directly

Sorry could u clarify a bit more? What do u mean by connecting only sata but not data. Sata is the sata cable I know that but data?oh data is from the mobo? And psu sata. If I plug in sata and it works how can I tell that it’s the mobo fault? Doesn’t ssd need both sata and data to work?

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Nes901 said:

Sorry could u clarify a bit more? What do u mean by connecting only sata but not data. Sata is the sata cable I know that but data?oh data is from the mobo? And psu sata. If I plug in sata and it works how can I tell that it’s the mobo fault? Doesn’t ssd need both sata and data to work?

Sata power = from PSU

Sata data = from motherboard

 

If you connect only sata power and it doesn't post, there's probably something in that drive or sata power cable that's causing your PSU to refuse to start, perhaps a short

 

Posting to bios doesn't require sata data too be connected, it's just that you won't be able to see it in bios

[Nes901]

8 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

Sata power = from PSU

Sata data = from motherboard

 

If you connect only sata power and it doesn't post, there's probably something in that drive or sata power cable that's causing your PSU to refuse to start, perhaps a short

 

Posting to bios doesn't require sata data too be connected, it's just that you won't be able to see it in bios

Just tried sata and data separately and none and back to no post again. When I got it to post today it was cpu gpu 1 ram stick and psu. So I tried that again and back to no post. What could this mean?

[Moonzy]

5 minutes ago, Nes901 said:

Just tried sata and data separately and none and back to no post again. When I got it to post today it was cpu gpu 1 ram stick and psu. So I tried that again and back to no post. What could this mean?

Mmm... Again it's hard to say without spare parts but I'm leaning more on PSU, that's usually the issue

As you said, CPU generally don't just break that easily

[Nes901]

5 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

Mmm... Again it's hard to say without spare parts but I'm leaning more on PSU, that's usually the issue

As you said, CPU generally don't just break that easily

Hm so before I got it to post like I said I reseated 8 pin cpu and 24 pin mobo connector. Had cpu, gpu, 1 stick of ram in mobo. Posted into bios, saw my cpu and my 1 ram stick in there. Wouldn’t it mean those are working? After that I saved bios default and powered down with CASE power button(it worked again) and proceeded to try ssd and it failed to post and case power button didn’t work again. Went back to original config where it posted with cpu gpu 1 stick of ram and now it’s not posting. I thought it was mobo but I’m aligned with u thinking it’s possible psu faulty?

[Moonzy]

Just now, Nes901 said:

Wouldn’t it mean those are working?

Working enough to post, but not necessarily under load, but yeah

 

I've had a ram stick able to post and even run windows for a while, but crashes randomly, turns out it was defective after much diagnosis

 

I think you can rule out RAM if you have two sticks and tested individually, odds of two ram broken at the same time is very small

 

2 minutes ago, Nes901 said:

I’m aligned with u thinking it’s possible psu faulty?

Sometimes power supply can work again after fully discharging

 

The attempt that posted was after a long break without it receiving power I assume?

[Nes901]

11 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

Working enough to post, but not necessarily under load, but yeah

 

I've had a ram stick able to post and even run windows for a while, but crashes randomly, turns out it was defective after much diagnosis

Now it’s even posting at all though

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I think you can rule out RAM if you have two sticks and tested individually, odds of two ram broken at the same time is very small

 

Yes both sticks tested individually (breadboard config) didn’t post

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Sometimes power supply can work again after fully discharging

 

The attempt that posted was after a long break without it receiving power I assume?

 

Yes I went to sleep after trying all day. Woke up and gave it another go. The psu was unplugged so I plugged it back in. Got it to post one time then it didn’t work again with same config 

[Moonzy]

Just now, Nes901 said:

Yes I went to sleep after trying all day. Woke up and gave it another go. The psu was plugged so I plugged it back in. Got it to post one time then it didn’t work again with same config 

Again, I highly sus it's the PSU, but I can't confirm until you have another one to test it

 

You'll need to spend money or find someone that can borrow you one, I suppose

[Nes901]

23 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

Again, I highly sus it's the PSU, but I can't confirm until you have another one to test it

 

You'll need to spend money or find someone that can borrow you one, I suppose

Alright I’ll try to get another one and report back in a couple days. Thank you for help so far. 

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Nes901 said:

Alright I’ll try to get another one and report back in a couple days. Thank you for help so far. 

Do have a look at our PSU tier list, I recommend tier B and above for your config

 

If you're lazy, corsair cx550 or rm550x, or 650W equivalent if they're not too much more

[Nes901]

@Moonzy brand new PSU came in. Posted into bios first try, shut off comp with case power button (worked again) and this was with cpu gpu 2 ram dual channel, went to plug in ssd. Posted first try again. It was the PSU. Thank you so much man. You really saved me a lot of time from having to RMA, and do returns, and your quick replies were great. I learned ALOT on this experience. Once again thank you