Xeon CPU mainboard

[Yeet_boi200809]

Hello! In my last post, i have said that i bought an GTX 1660 super for my really old PC. Problem is, the CPU. I have an FX 4300. I wanted to upgrade it, but  i also dont want to go over 100-120 Euros. Everyone recommended one of the new Ryzen cpus. (ryzen 3 3100, ryzen 3 3300x) Theyre cheap, but i also have to spend money on ram motherboard and other things. So i wanted to get an xeon x5690, (because i already have ddr3 ram, and the cpu is really cheap) but its really hard to find an matching motherboard, do you  know any websites or shops that have old motherboards? and heres my next question: Do server parts have any difference between normal parts, for example ram?

ALso do you have an recommendation for newer parts?

thanks for reading this!

 

 

[Yeet_boi200809]

You can speak german if you want

[svmlegacy]

3 minutes ago, Yeet_boi200809 said:

Hello! In my last post, i have said that i bought an GTX 1660 super for my really old PC. Problem is, the CPU. I have an FX 4300. I wanted to upgrade it, but  i also dont want to go over 100-120 Euros. Everyone recommended one of the new Ryzen cpus. (ryzen 3 3100, ryzen 3 3300x) Theyre cheap, but i also have to spend money on ram motherboard and other things. So i wanted to get an xeon x5690, (because i already have ddr3 ram, and the cpu is really cheap) but its really hard to find an matching motherboard, do you  know any websites or shops that have old motherboards? and heres my next question: Do server parts have any difference between normal parts, for example ram?

ALso do you have an recommendation for newer parts?

thanks for reading this!

I really can't recommend LGA1366 for modern gaming. The single core clock speeds are low, IPC is relatively bad, the motherboards are old, valuable, and sensitive. The reason the Xeon's are cheap is because the motherboards are rare and valuable. (Most are $100+)

 

Take it from me, I have a X5670 @ 4.2 GHz. It doesn't game that well.

[Yeet_boi200809]

1 minute ago, svmlegacy said:

I really can't recommend LGA1366 for modern gaming. The single core clock speeds are low, IPC is relatively bad, the motherboards are old, valuable, and sensitive. The reason the Xeon's are cheap is because the motherboards are rare and valuable. (Most are $100+)

 

Take it from me, I have a X5670 @ 4.2 GHz. It doesn't game that well.

Hi, thanks for the answer, do you have an recommendation, as you know, i have an gtx 1660 super

 

[svmlegacy]

9 minutes ago, Yeet_boi200809 said:

Everyone recommended one of the new Ryzen cpus. (ryzen 3 3100

> Gotta side with this. 8 GB of DDR4 has been dropping in price, making this kind of upgrade affordable.

[Yeet_boi200809]

Just now, svmlegacy said:

> Gotta side with this. 8 GB of DDR4 has been dropping in price, making this kind of upgrade affordable.

Ok, thanks for the help, is 8gb enough for may gaming with an gtx 1660 super, sorry for annoying you. 

[Zando_]

7 minutes ago, svmlegacy said:

I really can't recommend LGA1366 for modern gaming. The single core clock speeds are low, IPC is relatively bad, the motherboards are old, valuable, and sensitive. The reason the Xeon's are cheap is because the motherboards are rare and valuable. (Most are $100+)

 

Take it from me, I have a X5670 @ 4.2 GHz. It doesn't game that well.

People still run them at 1440p with a 1080 Ti, but yeah at 1080p in newer titles they struggle. 

Also they're usually a terrible budget option because to OC, you need an X58 motherboard, and a solid one too if you want a good experience with the platform. And those go for big bucks most of the time, though you can score them on a deal for around $100 USD. 
 

1 minute ago, Yeet_boi200809 said:

Ok, thanks for the help, is 8gb enough for may gaming with an gtx 1660 super, sorry for annoying you. 

16GB is preferable, but if you can't swing that, 8GB will be enough for most games. Some chunky ones will want more than that but they should still be playable. 

[svmlegacy]

Just now, Yeet_boi200809 said:

Ok, thanks for the help, is 8gb enough for may gaming with an gtx 1660 super, sorry for annoying you. 

Depends on the game, but it's enough to get by. You could always pop in another 8 GB down the road, if you feel you need it.

[Yeet_boi200809]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

People still run them at 1440p with a 1080 Ti, but yeah at 1080p in newer titles they struggle. 

Also they're usually a terrible budget option because to OC, you need an X58 motherboard, and a solid one too if you want a good experience with the platform. And those go for big bucks most of the time, though you can score them on a deal for around $100 USD. 
 

16GB is preferable, but if you can't swing that, 8GB will be enough for most games. Some chunky ones will want more than that but they should still be playable. 

Hello! Thanks for that, but i live in germany, there you can find some motherboards (x58) für under 50 dollars. But wow, you all got a lot of information for me!

[Zando_]

Just now, Yeet_boi200809 said:

Hello! Thanks for that, but i live in germany, there you can find some motherboards (x58) für under 50 dollars. But wow, you all got a lot of information for me!

What motherboards? So long as they're decent models from a proper OEM (not random chinesium boards), they should be fine. ASUS, GIgabyte, and EVGA all have solid models. I'd avoid MSI, they have issues with X56xx series Xeons. 

[svmlegacy]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Also they're usually a terrible budget option because to OC, you need an X58 motherboard,

> Not to mention that overclocking them is nothing like OCing modern CPU's. All the Xeon's, except a select few W series, have locked multipliers. The 5670 is limited by the uncore, but not by much (I don't think many unlocked go further on domestic cooling). But hey, going from 3 GHz to 4.2 GHz is a massive bump.

 

6 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

People still run them at 1440p with a 1080 Ti, but yeah at 1080p in newer titles they struggle. 

That's more up to the GPU than the CPU after all, so I totally believe it. I'm still on 1080p.

[Radium_Angel]

26 minutes ago, Yeet_boi200809 said:

xeon x5690

If you don't mind the noise, old Dell PowerEdge servers can be a great source of fun and learning and can be had for peanuts (at least around here)

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, svmlegacy said:

> Not to mention that overclocking them is nothing like OCing modern CPU's. All the Xeon's, except a select few W series, have locked multipliers. The 5670 is limited by the uncore, but not by much (I don't think many unlocked go further on domestic cooling). But hey, going from 3 GHz to 4.2 GHz is a massive bump.

BCLK OCing is a thing up to at least X99 (which has ratios to keep PCIe at 100Mhz), I haven't had X299 so IDK how it handles that. Newer stuff is heavier on the multiplier OCing though, whereas the focus with X58 is on the BCLK, with multipliers used to even it out. 

And most will go to 4.4-4.5 if you're fine with putting 1.4v through them. I ran my X5675 at 1.45v for a few months too without issue, but it was on water so temps were crispy cool. 3.2-3.7 uncore usually as well, depends on the CPU silicon lottery. 

4 minutes ago, svmlegacy said:

That's more up to the GPU than the CPU after all, so I totally believe it. I'm still on 1080p.

Yeah exactly, 1080p is harder on the CPU so the struggle is much more noticeable. 

 

2 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

If you don't mind the noise, old Dell PowerEdge servers can be a great source of fun and learning and can be had for peanuts (at least around here)

Don't a lot of those sport dual socket setups too? And IIRC on some of them you can mess with the BCLK still via tuning software (I forgot the name lol). 

[Yeet_boi200809]

Is there someone who can answer my second question, is ther an difference between server ram or normal ram

 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Yeet_boi200809 said:

Is there someone who can answer my second question, is ther an difference between server ram or normal ram

 

Most cheap server RAM is for server boards only (Intel 5520 chipset, not X58). ECC Registered has to have a CPU that supports it (the Xeons do), and a board that supports it (X58 boards do not). ECC unregistered should work on X58 boards though, it just won't use the ECC functionality. But ECC unreg is usually as expensive as just buying a good kit of normal DDR3 (do avoid Corsair RAM though, the Vengeance kit I have is pretty meh whereas my HyperX stuff is solid, other people have had similar experience with Corsair's Vengeance stuff on both DDR3 and DDR4). 

[Yeet_boi200809]

6 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Most cheap server RAM is for server boards only (Intel 5520 chipset, not X58). ECC Registered has to have a CPU that supports it (the Xeons do), and a board that supports it (X58 boards do not). ECC unregistered should work on X58 boards though, it just won't use the ECC functionality. But ECC unreg is usually as expensive as just buying a good kit of normal DDR3 (do avoid Corsair RAM though, the Vengeance kit I have is pretty meh whereas my HyperX stuff is solid, other people have had similar experience with Corsair's Vengeance stuff on both DDR3 and DDR4). 

Ok thanks,  i just searched on the internet, and i found an i3 8350k, is this good, i just know its 4 cores

Also thanks for helping me sooo much!

 

[Zando_]

Just now, Yeet_boi200809 said:

Ok thanks,  i just searched on the internet, and i found an i3 8350k, is this good, i just know its 4 cores

Also thanks for helping me sooo much!

That's basically a Skylake i5. So yeah it can handle basic gaming but 4c/4t chips really struggle in any recent title (older 2015 and earlier stuff should run just fine), and especially if you have stuff running in the background. What's your budget and country for a CPU + RAM + Mobo combo? 

[Yeet_boi200809]

8 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

That's basically a Skylake i5. So yeah it can handle basic gaming but 4c/4t chips really struggle in any recent title (older 2015 and earlier stuff should run just fine), and especially if you have stuff running in the background. What's your budget and country for a CPU + RAM + Mobo combo? 

Just saw this 

[Zando_]

Just now, Yeet_boi200809 said:

Just saw this 

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Lol. The 3300X has a single core score on par with a 9900K. 3100 wouldn't be massively behind unless it's noticeably lower clocks. UserBenchmark is very ferociously and pettily pro-Intel, to the point of purposely misleading and tweaking benchmarks to favor them, and even down to being super derogatory in the blurbs about CPUs. Fine for an individual with preferences, but for a benchmarking site supposed to be providing an as-unbiased-as-possible comparision, it's y i k e s. 

[Yeet_boi200809]

7 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Lol. The 3300X has a single core score on par with a 9900K. 3100 wouldn't be massively behind unless it's noticeably lower clocks. UserBenchmark is very ferociously and pettily pro-Intel, to the point of purposely misleading and tweaking benchmarks to favor them, and even down to being super derogatory in the blurbs about CPUs. Fine for an individual with preferences, but for a benchmarking site supposed to be providing an as-unbiased-as-possible comparision, it's y i k e s. 

hehe, is tehr an good cpu with an ddr3 mainboard? Whats about the I7 4930k?

 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Yeet_boi200809 said:

hehe, is tehr an good cpu with an ddr3 mainboard?

Xeon 1680v2, 8c/16t Ivy Bridge E chip on X79. Bunch of Ivy Bridge E and Sandy Bridge E options for that platform. On mainstream, up to the 4790K, 6700K technically supports DDR3 but Z boards with DDR3 slots... IDK if they exist or not. But that's about as high as you can go for DDR3, and it usually won't be the best bang for the buck. 1st/2nd gen Ryzen prices have come down so far that, when comboed with a B450 board and the current low DDR4 prices, obliterates most used Intel parts for price/performance. Whether you care about price/performance is up to you, but if you're on a lower budget, chances are you will. 

[Radium_Angel]

2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Don't a lot of those sport dual socket setups too?

Yup, dual and even quad socket. I have a Dell PowerEdge 2900 (III, the tower) I got for pennies, maxed the RAM for pennies, and threw in a GFX card (power was a trick, but got it) for pennies, and had fun with it for a bit.

[Yeet_boi200809]

On 5/28/2020 at 6:23 PM, Zando Bob said:

Xeon 1680v2, 8c/16t Ivy Bridge E chip on X79. Bunch of Ivy Bridge E and Sandy Bridge E options for that platform. On mainstream, up to the 4790K, 6700K technically supports DDR3 but Z boards with DDR3 slots... IDK if they exist or not. But that's about as high as you can go for DDR3, and it usually won't be the best bang for the buck. 1st/2nd gen Ryzen prices have come down so far that, when comboed with a B450 board and the current low DDR4 prices, obliterates most used Intel parts for price/performance. Whether you care about price/performance is up to you, but if you're on a lower budget, chances are you will. 

what about the i7 4930k?

 

[Zando_]

11 minutes ago, Yeet_boi200809 said:

what about the i7 4930k?

 

It falls under these:

On 5/28/2020 at 11:23 AM, Zando Bob said:

Bunch of Ivy Bridge E and Sandy Bridge E options for that platform.

They're all solid chips, the 1680v2 is the only 8c/16t option I know of. The rest are 6c/12t, which still run everything just fine (unless you actually have a workload that needs more than 6 cores). I'm using my 4930K rig as my main while my big rig is under construction. 

[Yeet_boi200809]

18 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

It falls under these:

They're all solid chips, the 1680v2 is the only 8c/16t option I know of. The rest are 6c/12t, which still run everything just fine (unless you actually have a workload that needs more than 6 cores). I'm using my 4930K rig as my main while my big rig is under construction. 

Thanks! I also have seen an different CPu, an I7 3930k, is this good? (As you know i search for an CPU for the GTX 1660 super)