Judist

The problem is expecting all new tech to be "flagship". Or maybe more appropriately, every "flagship" must be the best.

I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't already working on the 980ti, even if it's only on paper at this point. There's always a market for high-end refresh, money be damned. If Nvidia pushes the 980ti out at $700usd it will be bought and it'll be worth it (for Nvidia). The only stopping power isn't AMD. It's if Nvidia dumps all resources into Pascal and the next process shrink.

Why compare the 980 to a 780ti? The TI came out 6 months after the 780 after Nvidia squeezed everything they could from Kepler GK110, an already solid chip. Not every tech leap is zomg amazing tho. If Nvidia shoots for more performance from Maxwell then I'd probably wait 6 months and hope for a 980ti. Otherwise most tend to skip a generation (aka wait for Pascal).

Inner-case temps are only somewhat important. Realistically you can run a computer fine in a 100+ degree Fahrenheit environment. Most enthusiast cases (especially airflow optimized) can damn-near match case temp with room temps. 70 out 70 in, hardly ever an issue. The only time problems occur are with flow restriction and temperature buildup. Air isn't very good at transferring heat and you can cycling effect when case-ambience gets too hot. Air heats, transfers poorly, air heats more, transfers very poorly, air reaches scorching, nearly no heat transferred, components thermal throttle/shutdown. This is mostly limited to 1) super dusty filters 2) laptops 3) enthusiast rigs within low-flow sound dampening cases.

Could take a week, they'll stick the the micro imperfections on the inside wall. Are these being re-introduced via turbulence? Looks like Maxwit beat me to it.

My previous rig has a Corsair H50 circa 2009 and it's still running strong. PC on nearly 24/7 as well.

Imo do some research and get a highly rated modular 800+ PSU. It a good investment part and should last several builds unless there is a tech leap in power connectivity (modular may overcome this). With SLI it depends on your preferred resolution and your monitors hertz. 2 GPUs pushing a Benq 1080p 144hz 1ms is dreamlike. If your running a low end 60hz Walmart special, SLI can be overkill. As for water cooling, I have 11 fans, 2 rads, 1 pump and its silent. A quality fan correctly mounted (rubber/foam/etc) can be pretty quiet. In push/pull at low RPM they're unnoticeable. I cant tell if the pumps running without touching it for vibration.

Your post history suggest otherwise. Right behind ya...

No one denys this and I hit upon it myself. It's why I stated earlier that in context (of the initial argument) implying a card's awesomeness via higher TDP is not a wise idea. Excessive TDP when cross checking cards is an indicator of chip efficiency unless (I submit) your only concerned with the exact same architecture. But same architecture wasn't implied when defending of AMD heat vs Nvidia heat.

It's an AMD vs Nvidia thread! Its all fun and games until some noob would thinks a 300w card out performs a 250w card because of "simply dynamics" when in fact it only shows a subpar design on the 28nm process.

Your "simple dynamics" reply was in response to AMD vs Nvidia TDP in an effort to downplay the 290x's excess heat and a good thing. Suggesting that hot chips with high TDP are ok because they indicate speed (in this thread under that context) was asinine. The fact is the Hawaii is less efficient and slower. Trying to spin its bad traits as good wasn't fooling anyone. Next time concede its hot for no good reason other than design, or don't post.

They're both 28nm silicon. Apples and apples. Nvidia did a better job in chip design (this round). Remember this is an AMD vs Nvidia thread. Cores, frequency, bandwidth, these matter. Their byproduct (heat) indicates how efficient the design is. We have decades of examples in which chip designers have produced faster processors that consume less power. No one looks at the TDP and thinks "wow this must be fast" when a direct competitor is producing something faster using less power. Want to argue "simple dynamics" go start a 290x vs overclocked 290x thread...

And the 290x vs 780ti or Titan Black? 300w vs 250w? Both are 28nm silicon, so which chip is better even at lower power? I'll save you some time. Ignore the question and sidetrack with a cost argument, a 3gb vs 4gb argument, or apples to oranges argument.

Yea, not the same. Design over wattage. And arguing that they're the same is worse. Adding voltage when comparing truly identical GPUs can increase performance? NO WAY! Magic!

Even tho the 680 made the 28nm die, the chip designs are different. A year difference in release dates can do that. Thanks for playing.