temporalsounds

Hi ,apologize for late responses.
The internet is huge and billions of forums ,you know.
https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/811773-legacy-pci-support-new-mobos-doubt-6.html?highlight=pci+legacy#post15808277

AM4 motherboard with legacy PCI
 
After years same problem here for upgrade to AMD Ryzen.I own E-MU 1616m PCI soundcard longer time,the best Pro audio inetrface I ever have for good price ,but problem is,there are no PCI on new AMD motherboards.OK. So,let me explain why not reason to change to common soundcards for example like soundblaster,xsonar or integrated soundcard on the motherboard.
First is software.It is similar like graphic developers.But there are audio producers too.
I mean software like: Control panel of soundcard, native ASIO drivers (no Asio-for-all),WDM ,hardware connection and many possibilities of this soundcard...MIDI connection,MIC inputs,SPDIF output,input, 44.1khz,48,88.2,96,176.4,192kHz sample rates, etc...and the most important  reason to stay with this hardware is PatchMix panel DSP -Integrated hardware zero latency accelerated panel mix to setup and control your soundcard in many options.Great.
 
Common soundcards is for gamers,not for producers! I don't need any 3D,5.1 or 7.1 surround sound or some "Crystallizer"... 
There are so many videos,articles ,discussions about : ""Do you need soundcard in 2020 on your new motherboard ?"" ofcourse not.I don't......I am a gamer.
Do you need graphic card ? ofcourse not,I'm a music producer... magic circle....
Like you can see the example of mixpanel on the picture,that's very important to me,why this kind of PCI soundcard.
I would be apreciate ,if you never say,you don't need soundcard interface. Can you tell it to graphic designer? :"" You don't need Professional graphic card""?  ...there is integrated graphic in processor.....  
 

Just bought the Biostar b550gta along with an AMD 3800xt to provide support for my E-MU 1616m PCI soundcard. Still waiting for the DDR4 memory to be delivered (10 days) but once that's done I'll report on the performance.

would love to know your experience / impressions with this mb.. i'm also looking for a mobo with pci to run a ryzen 5800x.

Speaking of which, Gigabyte released F20e BIOS version on march 18 that supports Rocket Lake-S processors (11th gen) up to Core i9-11900K. Ookay, thats a bit over this board, but otherwise its a welcome addition. Asus B460 didnt get support.
 
Btw Biostar X470GTA got a feb 23 X47BG223.BST BIOS that supports Zen 5000 series Ryzens now.

Ye, needs a bit more emphasis
 
Gigabyte H470 HD3

 
Kinda looks like a Z370 HD3P with no parellel port header, but more led connectors, and a CNVi connector to give us a feel for AMR slot days. Same ITE PCI brige, better USB connectors.
May or may not get 11th gen Rocket Lake-S support. B460 boards definitely wont support that. 

Oh, that looks nasty. 😐
Its cheap(x0.6 compared to B460 Plus), but im no sure it could support a Ryzen 3600X or 3700, not to mention anything Zen2+ will bring us.
 
 
I think this is the only sane PCI board currently available:
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-B460-PLUS/

 
Yeah its a lower middle end option as far as LGA1200 is concerned, and its almost identical to the B360 version(USB 3.0 only, no 3.1, no 3.2, and ALC887 is proper ancient at this point), but it has fair VRM section enough for a 10400, 10600, and maybe even a 10700 without catching fire.😋 Also two M.2 slots, and a very good expansion card layout, possibly the best a combined PCIe+PCI board can have.

Interesting thread for oldschooldawers.
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php/board,286.0.html
 
FWIW, I recently found out M-Audio Delta PCI soundcards were not working at all on the '2012 Z77 chipset, because of the PCI-E to conventional PCI bridge.
'2011 Z68 was just fine.
 
So 8 years later, I wouldn't hold my breath using such a legacy card on a recent PCI downgraded mobo natively unsupported by the main chipset, and most likely using some bridging device.
 
Gee, there even are ISA slots on some niche Intel LGA 1151 based motherboards:
https://ipc.msi.com/product_detail/Industrial-Motherboard/ATX/MS-98L9-V2.0

Hey Temporalsounds,
 
I'm in the same boat. I also have a pci card (yamaha ds2416) quite old but still rocks. Yamaha never upgraded their drivers for 64bit, so I have to still use 32 OS. and being that one of the developers for software control has made the unit awesome (DSPCTRL), plus the fact all of the processors are hardwired - its only now that software mixer are getting closer to the speed of the unit, and even then it only takes a few physical modeling app to drag the system down (pops/drop out) that I still have the unit.
 
but the control app is worth the effort in keeping it running. Yamaha dropped the ds2416 line - it didnt make sense in having a relatively cheaper pc system compete with the O2R which has about the same power and features (and I have two of those units as well).
 
 
Interestingly enough on the intel side there are several board manufactures that make pci slotted mobo's (5 slots of pci) that can take the i9's and i7's, but I'm a AMD fan being its quite cheaper and they have more cores. Ideally the 16 core unit I was looking for but my thinking is it will still be some time before the same mobo manufactures will get around with the pci slotted units for the ryzen platform. the other thought was to use the pcie to pci converter or  possible use the magma pci expansion unit, which they  have a pcie to pci. My ds2416 card gags two  together to make a 48 input/ 4 fx unit/32 output. it also has ADAT option which also eats up two slots. then I have a bunch of scsi drives that i still use for older samplers so the magma expansion is looking more interesting. I did managed to use one of those pcie to pci converters and they work fine. but to have everything in one box would make it easier to setup. 
 
Yamaha higher ended systems are going with their DME series of mixer engines, but at a cost. same goes with Protools. they have custom DSP units for full work flow thats more hardware oriented, reducing the problems with cpu overloading/delay issues. maybe in a few yrs I'll get one - mind you a buddy of mine has a full studer 24 analog and it still sound great. and it costs about the same as a good digital system.
 
Anyway best of luck with your venture
 
 
 
 

Been searching a bit and the situation is quite dire. Looks like board makers totally canned PCI slots after B350/X370/Z370 (so after 2017 basically) and they were not enthusiastic about it even then. Not only that, but most what i mentioned went out of production and disappeared from the store shelves. 
Your board maybe the most up to date S1151 motherboard found in retail (supports everything from 8100 to 9900k plus some Xeon models nobody ever heard of ?, and C246 pretty much looks like a workstation version of the Z390), though im fairly sure there are some obscure OEM boards that have and possibly may get PCI at least for a short while. Word of warning, just today C246-WU4 got delisted around our parts so its possible it will disappear from other countries too, like the rest of them.
 
On the up side i found a board that is both AM4 with Zen 2 support, and sold everywhere in Central Europe for a decent-ish price (~100 euro) the ASUS PRIME X370-A
A fairly cookie cutter by X370 standards(oh dear those VRMs), and certainly meager compared to the X570 lineup(no chipset fan on it though?), but its pretty much the only board with PCI thats still available. It theoretically supports the whole Ryzen 3000 line, but at least an R5 3600 really should not pose a problem.

You or the OP also dont need any excuses, certanly not excessively long ones.  Reminds me of the old "So you only have PCI slot and want to game?" debate where the overexited kids just wanted people to throw out their mITX motherboards, and PCI expansion only OEM SFF rigs because PCI its useless. While they were not wrong, there was a task at hand and they all utterly failed at it.
 
Sad because the PCI graphic card market understandably shrunk to a minimum after 2000, so it wasnt that difficult to name the best videocard available: get an Hecules Gef MX, get a VisionTek Radeon 9100, get an Inno3D Gef FX5600/FX5700SE, get a Zotac Gef 6200, get a VisionTek Radeon X1300/1550, get a  Sparkle Gef 8500/9500 GT, get a Zotac Gef GT430/520/610 and thats it.
 
Instead of that we had hundreds of posts about how these are useless, and how everyone needed to just throw out anything that was not a current 400 USD top of the line video card and a current high end motherboard.?
 
 
I too was eyeing modern motherboards with PCI slots, and around 2018 the masterplan could have worked with the flavour of the month Core i5 8400, and the good bang for the buck Asrock Z370 Pro4, the Gigabyte Z370 HD3P runner up, with MSI Z370 PC PRO being an all else fails backup. Then came the very slightly cheaper Gigabyte H370 HD3P, and the Asus H370-Plus and B360-Plus boards (at that point only the Asrock Pro4 was sold) and around mid 2019 the problem solved itself because no shop around sold PCI Socket 1151 boards anymore.?
So around 2018 the AMD side had the MSI B350 Tomahawk, MSI B350 Gaming Plus and the Asus PRIME-B350 PLUS that looked like the best PCI option, and some random runners up like the MSI B350 PC MATE as the if all else fails option.
 
I was out of the loop since then, but some google-fu doesnt promise dozens of cheap B450 with PCI options for the extra cheap YD1600BBAFBOX Ryzen 5 1600->2600 processors floating around.?
 
 
Yeah Creative got soooo much flak in the Vista era that they really trying since, or at least nowadays. Even the very first X-fi cards(Elite Pro and the XtremeMusic/Fatality cards) from 15 years ago have less than 6 months old updated drivers for current version of Windows 10. This also means that 8 X-fi cards could be transferred and used in a modern motherboard. ?
Then most Auzentech cards, some ESI and Audotrak branded cards(Win8.1 drivers mostly work in 10), most of the Asus cards, and higher end stuff like Omega Claro Halo and Essence ST also would be much much better than anything a motherboard and the Realtek 1220 (though in reality most boards cheap out and use 892 and 885 like they are not even trying) wonder could bring to the table. And thats still barebones "better sound comes out of that hole" use cases, and not professional stuff.
 
 
Since good ol Vista, the applications are dumb as bricks and dont really require anything from the sound hardware. The days of  app complaining about "omg you dirty console peasant, you dont have 128 hardware 3D sound channels, how dare you click on my glorious PC icon, go back to PS3 you pleb" are far faar gone. Not like they could require anything since everyone and their dawg use onboard, use digital, or use Highest Of The Fidelities connected with platinum plated telepathy that on the hardware side are possibly simpler than AC97 chipsets from 99 that still needed to work in DOS.
 
So yeah were here to to use PCI not bury it.

Yeah its a fancy and expensive way to have a Z390 board with a slightly clock increased i7 8700.? But now with PCI graphics!? (tho im fairly sure a Coffe Lake GT2 IGP could beat a PCI GT610 if the Xeon had one, and nVidia stopped driver updates for Fermi cards 2 years ago so they are stuck at Intel IGP update dates, also interesting fact is both support DX12, nV backported the new Win10 DX just before the support period ended)
 
And yes sadly after 2,5 years nothing changed in PCI land apart from the options getting even more trimmed, its a suprise Asus still sells their board. Im guessing they still sell decently because they work with newer processors while its peers might not. R5 3600 would be a nice fit (wouldnt strain the VRMs all that much), and certainly cheaper than the Intel alternative.

I've been on the hunt for an AM4 mobo with legacy PCI slots for the last 2 weeks and have just purchased one directly from Biostar in Taiwan directly - an X470GTA. I did an international money order. Likely to cost approx $315 NZD all up incl. freight (around $180 USD). I'm looking to get an 2700X processor and 16GB of memory for it and use existing parts from my current i2500K build. The main requirement is that I have M-Audio Delta 8 in/out PCI soundcard that I want to use for recording. Unsure if I need to get hold of a "cheap" AMD processor to update the BIOS or if the 2700X works out of the box ... any ideas?

How will that work exactly?
 
PCI/AGP/PCIe adapters were available since, ugh, i dunno, Voodoo 5 5500 vs AGP 8x times i guess, but i havent seen one instance it wasnt used in some cryptominer type open build.
ATX cases are not really built to house expansion cards that need 2-3 centimeters raised backplane mounting. In those cases that accept riser cards it may be possible to install an adapter instead of the original 90° riser, but since most are very small form factor the adapter may prove too big to fit even there.
 
The X470GTA is a great find, and proves i cant rely on webstore filters to find needles in a haystack. PCI is getting so rare new motherbioards and expansion cards are simply not tagged and categorised properly. (not to mention used hardware ads, ppl cant differentiate between PCI, PCI 64 bit, and PCIe ?)
 
Also its like chasing ghosts: it was available around here until at least 2019 december for 110-120 euros, but interest was so light, distributor pulled the plug on it. Some shops may or may not had leftover stock, but even the last ones got delisted few days ago.?
 

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